I still remember the discussions when it still was China's problem. People were already speculating that the virus might have spread across the globe. When the first European countries got hit and basic data was available, the deaths of millions was already predicted in academia. Scientists knew this would become a real problem.
This simply shows that most humans are incapable of risk assessment and unwilling to take measures in advance.
Instead, they rather wait for shit to hit the fan and then deal with the problem applying reactionary "solutions". It's the same bs with all our (global) issues: the vast majority is not going to take it seriously until it's too late, until they experience the negative impact themselves - and even that can't beat chronic denial.
Our species really has to change on a fundamental level.
When you think about it, human evolution happens on the scale of millions of years, yet our recorded history is what -- maybe 20k at most? We could be generous and call it 100k. Either way, that still means we're the stupidest possible species to have formed a modern society. Like, we crossed some bare-minimum evolutionary threshold, and there hasn't been enough time or genetic engineering to advance further. We think of ourselves as smart but that's only cause we compare ourselves to apes. Future humans who have evolved or (more likely) engineered themselves will look at all of us like we look at chimps.
We are the bare minimum of what it takes to form a modern society.
I work in biotech, and my coworkers and I were eating lunch in March chatting about what was about to happen. Everyone was casual and was like "we'll be back to work in about 6 weeks." I stayed quiet for a couple minutes then said, "in about 2 weeks, you are going to start to see some shit. And in about a month or two, we'll see the real shit and we'll know how fucked we are.". People blinked, and then kinda laughed me off. Everyone got on board shortly thereafter. I know what you mean.
Because most of the people dying are either in other countries. Or old people and minorities who can't afford health care.
Nearly 600k americans have died because of misinformation. That's a pretty grim number when you put it next to the 465k americans who died liberating europe from a regime that killed 6+ million and all they had to do was go through the 20 minute inconvience of getting a vaccine. We're not drafting them and handing them a rifle
More than 600k to be precise. But that's just the official number, my guess is there are a few 10k of deaths that weren't attributed to but were caused by corona.
Way more than that. The most reliable measure is a statistical comparison of deaths across the last 5-10 years. There's been about 1 million "excess deaths" since covid started, the vast majority most likely attributable to it. (This would include people without Covid who died because they couldn't get an ICU bed, for example.)
The true death toll is probably just shy of a million.
I constantly hear the argument that the numbers are inflated and they're including people who had the virus and died due to car wreck or some silly shit like that. While I don't disbelieve there may be places inflating the numbers, there are probably about as many underreporting.
People are so infuriating at this point. I work with a bunch of anti vax folks. They all REALLY love to spout “the flu kills more people” or what ever other dumb shit they think….
Well, wouldn’t you like to NOT be one of the people it kills?
I think them not taking the vaccine spits in the face of every person and every family that has been effected by this. To include the people who have FREAKIN DIED FROM IT!
Nah. Too extreme. I think we should just let hospitals electively discontinue covid-related services to people who are electively unvaccinated in order to make room for other people.
Just having to have nightly blackouts.... Just a sea of lights. "Why do we keep getting bombed? Shit luck I guess. Hey, party at my place! I have fireworks!"
Not true at all. The generally unhealthier you are, the more fatal it is. For instance, obese individuals are at much greater fatality risk than non-obese.
During the first wave, I sent an email to my family saying they needed to take things seriously because "more people will die than world war 2" . Well, here we are.
I was just recommended a YouTube video about how viruses mutate to become less deadly so now the antivaxxers have a new thing to argue like braindead imbeciles about.
Covid is so dangerous because it doesn't just annihilate everyone like Ebola, which is so lethal that it's difficult to spread. On account of being too good at killing its host.
Stupid mfers still don't get why that 'low 1% fatality rate is why Covid became a pandemic not a regional disease...
Viruses mutating into less deadly variant is not a good thing ffs. Imagine if ebola or sars became less lethal like Covid and people just spread that shit around...
I remember last April when I was looking at data and telling people that we were going to be seeing this killing more people than 9/11 killed in a single day as a regular occurrence if national behavior didn't radically change. I remember repeatedly being told that I was a moron and that I was just trying to scare people...
same. 3 weeks before we shutdown i told coworkers to get basic supplies for the homes and keep a week ahead on groceries. was told i’m the “covid guy” and teased that i was probably reading pandemic news instead of working. we shut down and that afternoon coworker said he didn’t know what they’d have for dinner as they hadn’t gone shopping and the stores were packed w people panic buying everything.
It's going to be crazy 10, 20 years down the line when the dust settles and we have an idea of how bad it was globally and there are still going to be posts like these archived on the internet saying it wasn't that bad.
First, extrapolation of state-level civil registration from seven states suggests 3.4 million excess deaths. Second, applying international estimates of age-specific infection fatality rates (IFR) to Indian seroprevalence data implies a higher toll of around 4 million. Third, our analysis of the Consumer Pyramid Household Survey, a longitudinal panel of over 800,000 individuals across all states, yields an estimate of 4.9 million excess deaths
Peru has revised its official death toll in the covid-19 pandemic from 69 342 to 185 380, after a scientific review of medical records ordered by the government. The new figure means that Peru has had 5551 covid deaths per million population, proportionally the worst official toll in the world
Russia recorded around 463,000 excess deaths from April 2020 to June this year during the coronavirus pandemic, according to Reuters calculations based on data released by the state statistics service on Friday. Some epidemiologists say excess deaths are the best way to measure the real death toll from COVID-19. Russia's coronavirus task force has confirmed a toll of 163,301 related deaths since the pandemic began.
If anything that is the exact opposite of the truth, not just untrue. Trump is not responsible, but he certainly did not respond correctly in the slightest. And real numbers are much likely considerably higher due to asymptomatic carriers
It's worse than just not responding correctly. Trump had a choice: he could take the basically guaranteed reelection by claiming he isn't a medical expert, listen to the experts. Instead, he thought that the virus would ravage urban areas much worse than rural and that means less blue voters. Sure he would kill some of his own voters too, but he would hurt the libs MORE, and thus the politicization of a pandemic was born.
Ironically enough, it's his own voters hurting the most now, because they still won't get vaccinated, wear a mask, or even cover their mouths when they cough all over. That last one may just be local to my own personal children-of-the-corn hell hole I live in, but something tells me most of them are equally gross people.
Many people get Covid from someone who tested positive and they just... don’t get tested. One person said “ i didn’t get the test cuz I didn’t wanna be in the system”. So I agree the numbers are under-reporting*
Oh That's ok, I was just clarifying. Now you're making me want to smoke which I think I will do right now. What province/state in canada do you live in?
Where in this thread did anyone suggest Trump is responsible?
Infection numbers are probably a lot lower than the actual count, since everybody counted is confirmed infected, but those infected without a confirmed test are not counted.
The argument that “the numbers are inflated” is easy to check. Each country has civil servants who measure the number of people who die every week. These numbers are published openly in most countries meaning that you can look back decades and see the death rate. In the UK it is done by The Office of National Statistics and in the US probably by a similarly boring group of number bods with no axe to grind and no horse in the Covid race. You can go and look these numbers up and compare them with the previous years.
But we both know you won’t do that because you’re not interested in the truth as much as you are pedalling a false narrative fed by FB memes.
and you think donald trump is responsible for the whole worlds pandemic?
Nobody said that, merely that he was downplaying something that's killed millions as not a big deal when he himself had access to the best healthcare in the world, drugs that weren't even approved for treating COVID were used on him.
The numbers are inflated anyway
Even if we accept that's true (it's not, they're severely undercounted. In India alone the rate of excess deaths was ten times higher than last year, Scientists estimate the actual death toll to 4 million rather than the official 414,000 there alone) by how much do you think they're inflated? 10%? 10% of 4.3 million would still leave 3.9million people dead of the virus and this is going by official death tolls, my comment above about India's undercounted toll is true for many other countries, especially developing ones. Why underplay something like this when facts are staring you in the face? Does reality scare you?
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u/ReverendRyu 15d ago
Millions. It's killed millions.