r/pokemon Oct 01 '22 Silver 1

Pokémon fans, what is your controversial opinion on Pokémon? Discussion

I’ll go first: I don’t think it’s really that bad that new Pokémon games are easy. Games don’t have to be super challenging to be fun. What really matters to me the most is the Pokémon themselves and sometimes the story. I know that X and Y are some of the easiest games but I still had a blast playing through my copy of Pokémon X!

Edit: I’ve made a mistake- my phone is buzzing every few seconds-

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u/Ok-Leave3121 Oct 01 '22

Ash's Companions should caught more Pokemon

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u/Ok_Cow8044 Oct 01 '22

Ash should have caught more Pokémon, that was always my gripe. You supposedly want to a master but have such an anemic Pokedex? Makes no sense.

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u/amascio Oct 01 '22

The one aspect I loved about the Black and White anime was that he was constantly rotating out his team

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u/Ok-Leave3121 Oct 01 '22

Shame he didn't evolve his Scraggy and Palpitoad

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u/baddiebusted Oct 02 '22

it’s a shame he didn’t evolve anything of value on b&w

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u/Starlight_NightWing Oct 02 '22

how dare you insult Krookodile

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u/HolyFlyingNuns Oct 02 '22

That's Ash in general for you, because it seemed like he always gave away, or 'released' his fully evolved pokèmon.

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u/VirinaB Oct 02 '22

I hated this as a kid, and was blasted on a forum for bashing him about it. You put forth all this effort to raise a Charizard (a wildly popular starter Pokemon, no less, writers) and he just... gives this cool ass, powerful team member away?

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u/OriginalName18 Oct 01 '22

No desire to watch black and white but I thought it was cool he caught about 10 Pokemon and swapped them out like you said. I would honestly watch the upcoming new series if ash used some of his older Pokémon instead of just catching new ones

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u/Beancunt Oct 01 '22

That's usually what I would do after the shinnoh series (I lost interest in the anime because they got rid of Brock) Ash's Charizard vs Iris's Dragonite from bw series was a pretty kino mini arc

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u/OriginalName18 Oct 01 '22

I check up from time to time on serebii out of curiosity to see what ash is up to. I also watch some gym and championship battles on YouTube. This recent series battles are wild tho. Ash vs Cynthia was nutty. You might like iris vs Cynthia

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u/Vapirate04 Oct 01 '22

But he has a sweet team now

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u/thehappymasquerader Oct 01 '22

In Kanto, Ash didn’t even have a full team of six for the majority of it. That’s always bugged me.

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u/TheMiserableMunchlax Oct 01 '22

Same with Kalos. His team was Pikachu, Greninja, Noivern, Hawlucha, and Talonflame all the way up until the Kalos League matches became 6 on 6 and he was forced to be reunited with Goodra. Still wish he would have caught that Dunsparce cause that would have been amazing.

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u/SatisfactoryCatLiker Oct 01 '22

Teams that get 6-0d by Ice Beam

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u/Zeroth_Dragon Oct 01 '22

Didn't know Ash did a flying type only run (with a few exceptions obviously) for Kalos lol

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u/TrueKenMan Oct 02 '22

They were trying to push Sky Battles. Yeah that didn't pan out.

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u/BrinkyP Oct 01 '22

You’d think in the Gen they introduced fairy types, Ash would A) HAVE a fairy type, and B) Have fewer Pokémon that are weak to fairy.

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u/ShadowCobra479 Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

Huh that's true, after bye bye Butterfree he didn't get another Pokemon for a while.

Edit actually no he got Primeape 4 episodes later, gave it away after 3 episodes, then literally the next episode gets Muk. So actually he was at 6 for most of Kanto

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u/thehappymasquerader Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

Except that he boxes Muk immediately and only brings it out for the League. Same for Krabby

I always thought Cubone would make a good fit for the last slot on his team

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u/Im_regretting_this Oct 01 '22

If the Kanto anime had played more into the plot of the games, the orphan cubone would’ve been a perfect edition, but then getting haunted would’ve been shafted…not that he keeps it for long.

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u/ireallydespiseyouall Oct 01 '22

Especially Brock with how long he travelled with ash

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u/Ok-Leave3121 Oct 01 '22

I actually made a post a few days ago about Pokemon Ash's Companions should've gotten and I said Brock should get some fossil Pokemon since he usually gets the Kanto Fossils in certain battles

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty Oct 01 '22

You'd love Goh then, lol. He's the current companion and, as you may have guessed from the name (Goh, Pokémon Go), he represents the Gotta Catch 'Em All side of the series while Ash represents the battling/training side.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Oct 01 '22

Yet people hate Goh for that.

Ive heard so many complaints about Goh just catching and not making a bond with his pokemon.

Which is like... what we do when we catch them all. So how can they be upset that Goh is doing the catch them all aspect of the games.

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty Oct 01 '22

Also he does have a few recurring Pokemon he bonds with.

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u/hekatonmoo Oct 01 '22

Goh just fucking gave eternatus to Leon right before Leon’s battle with ash in the finals and peaced the hell out. What a friend

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u/Arubesh2048 Oct 01 '22

Which is quite ironic, because you literally cannot Catch ‘Em All in any of the new games.

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u/Polymersion Irrelevant. Oct 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Forget catching, you can't even have them all.

"No, your Pidgey can't come with you, but for a monthly fee we'll take care of it for you~"

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u/ImmobileLizard Oct 01 '22

Hey it’s just the day care experience irl, AR method gaming

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u/ignacio2D Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

There are so many legendaries that the mysteries around them are not interesting anymore

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u/Indocede Oct 01 '22

I remember being a kid and loving the mystery behind Ho-oh & Lugia and their respective trios. Especially with the very first episode of the anime hinting at Ho-oh. They seemed like great and ancient beasts, something that only a privileged and chosen few would ever get to know.

And now there's near enough legendary and mythical Pokemon to comprise an entire generation.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I remember playing Pokémon silver when I was younger and trying for literal months to find the rainbow wing to get into Tin/Bell tower in Ecruteak only to one day talk to a random NPC in pewter city and get it. I don't think I will ever recreate that feeling of wonder. Or fumbling around in the Whirl Islands trying to get to Lugia.

I think part of the problem is a) there is no challenge or mystery in getting legendaries anymore. You either just get given them, led to them, or they're at the end of a really obvious route.

But b) even if that was the case, the internet has ruined the mystery of things. Back in the day the only way you heard about things was through rumours or word of mouth, even if it wasn't even true. Nowadays you can just Google anything you're not sure about which whilst I am grateful for definitely loses a bit of the magic.

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Oct 01 '22

I used to go to GameStop and read through the guidebooks in the store if I couldn't figure something out! Those were the days

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u/FartPudding Oct 02 '22

Oh fuck, just reading the guide book trying to find the things you needed. That unlocked some memories

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u/iCactusDog memes Oct 01 '22

What I think is wild is that Gen 1 and 2 had 5 legendaries a pieces with a pseudo legendary set. Then After that we went from anywhere from like 10 legendaries and 2 pseduo sets in RSE to just more and more with each gen it felt.

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u/Indocede Oct 01 '22

I can't fairly judge the 4th Gen because I didn't play, but my issue with the legendaries wasn't necessarily the number of them, but the quality, the backstory.

One thing I should consider is that back in the day, when the internet wasn't prevalent, most of our deciphering came from word of mouth, friend to friend, cousin to cousin, and this is how we unraveled mysteries.

I say this because I don't have an issue with the abundance of legendaries in Gen 3 because you had to uncover and work at the lore that entombed them. Kyogre and Groundon dwelled in their deep primal lairs, the Regis were sealed away with "arcane" knowledge. Rayquaza dwelled in the sky, nesting on it's ancient tower. And both Jirachi and Deoxys required something unusual that made them difficult to get at all.

Difficulty to obtain was the entire joy of it in a way. I do remember being a little kid and wondering long about how to get Celebi in the forest shrine with the GS ball.

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u/TastyCartographer630 Oct 01 '22

Yeah if my friend didn’t have the RSE guide book I would’ve had no idea the regi’s even existed, they were not easy for 8 year old kids in 2003 to get ahold of

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u/AshTheGoblin Oct 02 '22

I will forever cherish my memories of printing out the braille alphabet at the school library so I could take it home and hunt down those regis.

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u/TastyCartographer630 Oct 02 '22

And that first time you actually get it and it works and you’re like holy shit this nonsense is real

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u/Crayons_your_urethra Oct 02 '22

The regi methods felt like some school yard "use strength on the truck" level bullshit. But it worked.

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u/IGNOREMETHATSFINETOO Oct 02 '22

Relicanth in your party, use strength, etc.

I still have no idea how my mother figured it out. Also the evolving Feebas thing. Feebas is only in 10 squares on this entire route. It needs to be a specific nature so it can eat the most blue (indigo?) pokeblocks to become pretty enough to evolve... da fuq?

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u/Cross55 Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Gen 4 is basically the Pokemon Universe's origin story.

Arceus created the universe when its egg hatched, Dialga and Palkia controlled time and space and were worshipped by an ancient civilization before traveling to a new universe, Giratina is an entity created from violence and malice that the other 3 banished to an alternate dimension to seal its power, and Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit were created to share knowledge, wisdom, and willpower.

Then there are the post-story ones. Heatran and Manaphy are magma and ocean guardians respectively, Phione's basically Manaphy's servant, Cresselia and Darkrai are the guardians of dreams and nightmares respectively, Shaymin's a spirit of gratitude, and Regigigas moved the continents Groudon created and helped ancient people create the Regis before sealing itself in a frozen tundra.

Also, there are books in Canalave City that basically talk about how Sinnoh believes people evolved from and married Pokemon. (Gen 4 had a habit of rewarding you for looking in odd places that people wouldn't usually focus on)

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u/Gaaymer Oct 01 '22

Imo its not even that its just how easy they are to get. The only ones that are really a challenge to get ahold of are event only pokémon, and those are hard to get for all the wrong reasons.

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u/3V1LB4RD Oct 01 '22

All I remember was playing black and white and stumbling into that desert temple and coming across… ✨Volcarona✨

I remember that was the first time in years I’d been excited to discover and catch a legendary Pokémon!

But… It wasn’t a legendary haha. Hilarious how this non-legendary gave me the most excitement to catch a Pokémon in years.

They need to do for future legendaries what they did with Volcarona in black and white. Stop giving us too many hints about the legendary. Let people randomly encounter them while out exploring by accident.

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u/based_janitor Oct 01 '22

Legendaries are so much cooler when they’re gimmicky weirdos instead of “omg ultra powerful gods!!!”. Mew being able to learn any move, the Regis having really weird designs and insane obscure unlock methods, Deoxys just being some random alien that can change its form, etc., gives them all very unique identities and playstyles that aren’t just “insane stats go brrr”. They tend to have really good stats yes but generally it’s the moves/abilities that set them apart from a regular mon and that’s just insanely cool to me.

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u/CiaphasKirby Oct 02 '22

I don't know why Deoxys is your example for not being "insane stats go brrr." Until gen 8, his forms made him either the fastest or strongest pokemon ever depending on which you wanted. His attack form is tied for 5th place for fastest pokemon.

If that's not insane stats go brrr, I don't know what is.

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u/MugenEXE Oct 01 '22

I honestly don’t care about any legendary Pokémon after diamond and pearl. I don’t know the lore behind them. I think some look cool? Victini, Genesect… but I don’t care about totem Pokémon or ultra beasts or sword and shield Pokémon or any of that. They lost me when every legendary was released at GameStop or something…. Shiny Poipol? Who cares?

They lost whatever flavor made Pokémon legendary.

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u/ProfessionalOven2311 Oct 01 '22

Volcanion is the most disappointing one for me. I was so excited for the first Water/Fire type, but there is no lore at all outside of Pokedex entries and a movie (that I didn't see). To me it just feels like a less impactful Heatran.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Oct 01 '22

The movie doesnt even explain why it exists. I dislike that.

Its just rare? Ig?

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u/Disastrous-Energy526 perfectus incarnate Oct 01 '22

That's my gripe with some legendaries. You have really cool legendaries, and then you have Zeraora, Zarude, Heatran and Volcanion who just exist.

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u/mxxxy-zawarudo Oct 01 '22

At least with Heatran you had to enter a volcano to get it. A movie tie-in Pokémon you're gifted without fanfare or adventure is boring. It used to be the other way around, interesting Pokémon got movies made of them, now Pokémon get movies so they can be interesting. Afaik Zeraora has zero lore, which sucks since it's my favorite design out of those.

I miss Mystical Events, where you're not just given a Pokémon but a short sidequest.

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u/Matt091498 Oct 01 '22

Legendaries being released at gamestop started long before sword and shield. So many early gen events had their key item only obtainable at a GameStop. Sure, you still had to catch them, but GameStop events are not a recent thing.

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u/lnSerT_Creative_Name Oct 01 '22

Yeah, and let’s not forget that a good chunk of legendaries from older gens can’t be obtained without cheats/glitches anymore due to mystery gift shit in addition to the whole gamestop thing

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u/StefyB Hug me if you dare Oct 01 '22

I think all Mythicals from Gen 1-4 are now available without Mystery Gift in one way or another. Some require save files from separate games, but it's better than them being locked off to Mystery Gift.

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u/Blibby0588 Oct 01 '22

Someone set up custom servers for wifi mystery gift in gens IV and V so getting all mythicals up to gen V as well as any event that was ever done over wifi is actually pretty easy.

https://youtu.be/x2dmNCt6WJo

It seems it's still working as of just one month ago.

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u/FullBawks Oct 01 '22

Pokemon go fixed this for the most part, a good chunck of mythicals can be obtained legit both shint and regular, and can just semd them to home

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u/DJToastyBuns Oct 01 '22

You can't transfer them from Home to SwSh, though (unless you already got one in that game)

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u/Celestial_Scythe Solstice The Absol Oct 01 '22

I honestly loved Type-Null being a legendary counter, and having an entire section of the game surrounding its lore.

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u/Cross55 Oct 01 '22

They lost me when every legendary was released at GameStop or something…

So Gen 3?

And in Japan, Gen 2?

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u/basketofseals Oct 01 '22

It's not even the amount for me, it's the mythos around them. Like Dialga and Palkia are cool, time and space whatnot.

And then there's Heatran. Who just kind of exists, I guess? They don't feel any more legendary than the Lapras you got in RBY.

There's way too many legendaries that are just called legendary for no reason. Urshifu is legitimately just a regular pokemon, I don't even understand.

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u/LeifErikson10 Oct 01 '22

Gen 4 really went way overboard.

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u/YoManWTFIsThisShit Oct 01 '22

IMO Gen V went overboard with three groups of legendaries. Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus really didn’t need to be included in the game and should’ve been introduced later with Enamorus like in Legends Arceus.

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u/Sean081799 Arranging game music, now that's something! Oct 01 '22

I'm on board with this just so we could have 3 generations of competitive without Lando-T

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Oct 01 '22

Gen 5's legends are associated with the starters.

Starters gen 5 are French Japanese Chinese related.

So the trios are french inspired, japanese inspired, chinese inspired.

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u/chornye_n Oct 01 '22

Wait which ones are French? Meloetta?

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u/scribbledoll Oct 01 '22

Swords of Justice are the Three (then four) Musketeers, which is from a French novel! :)

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u/chornye_n Oct 01 '22

Oh I forgot those exist :/

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u/yeetingthisaccount01 Oct 01 '22

poor Meloetta got lore in the anime but never in the game. was so disappointed when I played BW and the civilisation from the anime never appeared

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u/NotRed9282 Oct 01 '22 Silver Keep Calm

You should be able to complete the pokédex by yourself in any game.

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u/gooboopooloo Oct 01 '22

Pokemon's tagline: "Gotta catch em all!"

Actual pokemon games: "Hahaha we gave the haunter an everstone as a prank. Who cares about people who cant trade. Screw them."

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u/rob_king54 Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I just passed that part in BD and I was SO fucking mad. Gengar is my favorite Pokémon and I have nobody to trade with

EDIT: thank you guys! Unfortunately I don’t have online right now, but I appreciate the offers very much

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u/2475014 DELELELEWOOP Oct 01 '22

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u/_Ross- pokemon Oct 02 '22

r/FuckMindy

There truly is a subreddit for everything

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u/gooboopooloo Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

It took me 12 years to get a gengar and when I finally did it was only because I got fed up with the official games and was playing the romhack Moon Emerald specifically because I could get trade evolutions. Trade evolutions and version exclusives have never been about having fun with friends, its just a way to sell more games.

Wait sorry did I say twelve? I meant TWENTY.

Im pretty sure that in a game series about catching pokemon the players shouldnt have to resort to playing fan made romhacks just to actually do what is supposed to be the MAIN point of the entire series: catch em all.

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u/kinghawkeye8238 Oct 02 '22

Honestly every game should have a character like the move deleter in HG/SS but he will just trade you so you can get you gengar, alakazam etc.

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u/santahat2002 Oct 02 '22

Believe it or not, it actually 100% was about having fun with friends based on the creator’s childhood catching bugs with friends.

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u/gooboopooloo Oct 02 '22

Fair. Still a really frustrating feature for someone who never has someone to trade with and there are lots of reasons not to beyond "having no friends". Like simply having friends that dont have pokemon. Or not owning a link cable. My friends played but didnt have a link cable. When gen 4 first came out, I was the only one who got one. I had multiple friends with a nintendo ds but I was the only one with a pokemon game so we played mario kart.

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u/Starminx Oct 01 '22

In PLA you can but yeah all games at least main series need to be like that

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u/BasedAnalGod Oct 02 '22

And they’ll probably never add that feature to any future games

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u/Plushiegamer2 Oct 01 '22

I think Wonder Trade and the GTS has softened the blow a lot, but trade evolutions are still dumb.

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u/NBAGuyUK Forever Blowing Bubbles. Oct 01 '22

Every single Pokémon in a given region should be available in that region's respective game. That is: version exclusives and mythicals are not a good feature.

If you want to "encourage" people to trade with their friends, then make Pokémon have drastically different spawn rates in respective games (e.g. 1% rate in Sword but 99% rate in Shield). That way players can trade with friends for the easiest completion but someone who simply prefers to play/grind the game solo can catch anything they want to.

Also what do mythicals encourage? People to type a code in that they found on the internet, then throw them in the box and never use them again? It would be much better to make them prizes for achievements (clearing the Pokémon League/Battle Tree X amount of times etc.). That way people could earn them, meaning they'd still be rare but any player would have the opportunity to still catch them. At the moment, players who may be busy during events or maybe who don't have parents to drive them to Game/GameStop or whatever just have to miss out on some mythicals.

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u/Z1ggy0129 Oct 01 '22

The fact that PLA made it possible to get all Pokémon accessible in the game was mind-blowing. I liked that they kept the trade feature but making the game possible to complete as a single player was the best thing they’ve come up with in a long time.

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u/NBAGuyUK Forever Blowing Bubbles. Oct 01 '22

Could not agree more! Even the Starters, which really surprised me! That's how every game really should be imo

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u/AlbainBlacksteel Best Boi Bulbasaur! Oct 01 '22

What's sad is that we'll never see that happen in a mainline game.

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u/VovaGoFuckYourself Oct 01 '22

Who knows. I feel like Legends Arceus was partially intended to try out a bunch of different new features to see how people reacted. I'm cautiously optimistic.

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u/vvarden Oct 01 '22

I don’t know. If there’s anything the Pokémon series is known for, it’s introducing features that the fans love (follower Pokémon, super contests, mega evolutions) just to inexplicably drop them the next entry.

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u/VovaGoFuckYourself Oct 01 '22

Why did you have to go and remind me of all of that? :(

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u/UnfairGlove Oct 02 '22

I'm gonna be "that guy" and point out that PLA is a main line game. It's officially recognized as one by the developers, so we already have seen it in a main line game. As such we're quite likely to see it again, even if only in another legends style game

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u/Noviskers Oct 01 '22

I would love for the mythical to be tied to something in game. Exactly what you described tends to happen for me with very rare exceptions. Give me a reason to do other things than “to see how far you can get”. I was originally excited for the never ending dynamax adventures but only did it once because there was no real reason to do them anymore.

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u/MrChamploo Oct 01 '22

I love the dynamax adventures. It gave me a fun good coop experience with friends.

I’ll miss it

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u/Noviskers Oct 01 '22

I very much enjoy the regular dynamax adventures, sure it had some faults but overall it was a fun way to add coop and a way to mix up shiny hunting. I am hopeful for some of the possibilities for coop play in SV.

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u/RedGamer3 Oct 01 '22

I've never had an issue with mythical's but you're absolutely right and I can't forget that idea now. Give them all a little quest like Victini in Black/White or a challenege reward like you said.

And I think the dual versions are long overdue to go away. As you suggested there are plenty of ways to keep the feeling of dual games and encourage trading without releasing the same game twice.

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u/thegoldengoober Oct 01 '22

I think Arceus was an example of mythicals done right. You may have needed to have saves from other games, But there was no codes. And both darkrai and shaymin had pleasant little quests to get them. And then all the others had quests too. It was wonderful to see imo.

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u/Soncikuro Oct 01 '22

Best mythical ever made? Victini during the launch period of Black and White.

You can get it before the third gym, it's level 15, it's part psychic so you can't quite dump on the bug gym leader, and importantly, you have to catch it, it's not given to you.

If all mythicals were like it they would be a better concept.

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u/NBAGuyUK Forever Blowing Bubbles. Oct 01 '22

You are exactly right. Wish I could say the same about New and Deoxys in Gen 3 but those distributions were literally never made (another reason not to have mythicals be exclusive to event distributions!)

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u/Dry-Guy- Oct 01 '22

The series has never lived up to its potential. For a series where the appeal is the massive cast of customizable party members, you’re never encouraged to pick from more than a fraction of the already limited amount of Pokémon that are practically available.

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u/Melonfrog Oct 01 '22

This is why X and Y are my favourites, no nuzlock is the same. Most routes have PLENTY of options. This hasn’t really been the case since.

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u/BasedAnalGod Oct 02 '22

X/Y had the perfect size Pokédex and it’s sad they’ve all been smaller since.

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u/Kolbrandr7 Oct 01 '22

I’m playing X for the first time right now. I have 93 pokemon caught so far and I’m not even at the second gym

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u/The-cooler-Cheryl Oct 02 '22

I had I believe 237 by the champion in my last playthrough Pokémon x is by far my favorite Pokémon game

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u/DarkMarxSoul always choose fire except litten Oct 01 '22

Pokemon Legends Arceus does a bit to encourage cycling out your team. I wonder if they'll develop that idea further.

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u/NBAGuyUK Forever Blowing Bubbles. Oct 01 '22

Yknow I had never considered this but you're absolutely right. Every game up until PLA, I'd only ever catch about 20 Pokémon per game (legendaries and all included) and would only actually use 6 throughout the game.

The fact that some Pokémon just straight up suck (and can't be used as a Tank, HM dummy or serve any other purpose) means that most players will generally only use a handful of Pokémon collectively.

Not quite translatable but one thing I remember telling a friend about Monster Hunter was "it's great, if you're just playing for fun, then literally every weapon is OP. Use whatever you like!". Pokémon could use a bit more of that!

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u/soofunny Oct 02 '22

I think alot has to do with how routes are set up. They do feel strategically set up with more unattractive pokemon being more easily obtainable than the "cool" ones. And when its easy to get an attractive one early in the game, everyone does it. Like if you thought Altaria, Salamence, Flygon were cool back in the day, you most likely stopped giving a fuck once you found out you could get Trapinch early and ur team naturally molded to the point where you could care less about running into Swablu/Shelgon at like the 7th gym lmao

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u/Asurerain Oct 01 '22

Gen6's minigames should have stayed. Especially Super Training

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u/Kenraali Roflstomping since '01 Oct 01 '22

Remember to sort by controversial for the actually controversial opinions.

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u/FriedCammalleri23 hot monke best monke Oct 01 '22

Pokemon should be more of a “event” IP like The Legend Of Zelda or the mainline Super Mario games where they only come out every few years in order to keep the quality level extremely high. Imagine a Pokemon game that was given the same time and effort as Mario Odyssey or Breath Of The Wild. Even a Pokemon game at the level of Dragon Quest XI would be incredible.

I’m more than ok with longer gaps between games if it meant the product would improve drastically.

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u/herrhoedz Celesteela-sama wa Kokurasetai Oct 01 '22

Pokemon is the biggest media franchise in the world but most of it came from merchandise, not the game itself.

At this point, I think the game is merely a catalyst so they could pump out new merchandise. This is why they constantly pumping some kinda unpolished new gen every 3 years. .

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u/Bears_On_Stilts Oct 01 '22

The company is taking clear notes from Sanrio: it’s a lifestyle brand that happens to have video games, not the other way around.

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u/Starminx Oct 01 '22

Merch specially TCG and the anime

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u/TheRealArticioFox Oct 01 '22

Yet most of the really nice merch that would sell well is japan exclusive and hard to get. It is mostly the card game though.

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u/Th3_Hegemon Oct 02 '22

The card game accounts for less revenue than the games ($10.25 billion vs $17.14 billion as of 2019). Merchandise is $61.1 billion, not including TCG.

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u/BrooklynSmash Oct 01 '22

May not be unpopular, but I hate how modern games have older Pokemon in their starting routes

Save a good chunk of returning Pokemon for mid-game, seeing Pidgey on Route 1 of Kalos makes me wanna turn off the game all together

When the ratio of old:new is a perfect 50, I don't even wanna keep going

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u/depressed_but_aight Oct 01 '22

Shit that’s not even a modern game thing, look at how late most gen 2 mons are in the Johto games. Without the pokewalker in HGSS, you can’t even get a bunch of them like Houndour or Murkrow until you get to Kanto, which at that point are they even Johto mons lmao?

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u/Lpunit Oct 01 '22

It's actually BECAUSE of Gen 2 that Gen 3 has very few old mons in it (early on). Game Freak also did not like how Gen 2 turned out.

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u/KnownDairyEnjoyer Oct 02 '22

Game Freak also did not like how Gen 2 turned out.

Really? Any chance you have a reference for that?

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u/Worldly_Society_2213 Oct 02 '22

There isn't one. To my knowledge they've never said that and if they had, HGSS would not have turned out the way they did.

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u/draglide Oct 01 '22

Thats also why many fans completely forget that some pokemon like skamory are gen2 not gen3. They're so late in the game that they are often overlooked because your team is already made

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u/ACoderGirl Oct 02 '22

For many years, I thought houndoom was gen 3, because I don't recall seeing one until then.

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u/S_Sami_I Oct 01 '22 Take My Energy

Trade evolutions (especially those with items) are just terrible

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u/cybo13 Oct 02 '22

Being able to evolve those mon directly in Arceus with an item was awesome

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u/Hsiang7 Oct 02 '22

I hope they keep that feature for all future games. I couldn't use trade evolutions as a kid, and even now I have to find and trust a random stranger on the internet to help me if I want to evolve one.

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u/Flamintree Oct 02 '22

In what world is that a controversial opinion.

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u/SummerFuckingSucks We use attacking moves in this household Oct 01 '22

Or you can be like gen 5 and make it so two different Pokémon have to be traded with each other to evolve. Actually? Just about any evolution requirement that relates to trading is awful.

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u/LolzinatorX Oct 01 '22

I had this bad feeling when i played through Sw/Sh on release. Beat the game, no big issues, i always want Harder games but i dont really care too much, but Sword just Didnt do it for me. I still bought the DLC and had some fun with that for a while, but nothing amazing.

With the new games coming up i decided to clear my Sword save and start over, with the dlc already installed, and im having the time of my life. The fact i could go Get Kubfu as early as i could, and the time ive spent in Isle of Armor just made the game feel as long as i needed it to be.

Theres no doubt the DLC saved the games imo, but i Didnt realize just how needed that DLC was, and i do wish i Didnt have to pay extra to Get an enjoyable experience with the game, but at this point i dont Even care, im having a blast with my new playthrough and im probably going to enjoy it until the next games drop.

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u/Potatochip409 Oct 01 '22

Cradily is underrated imo

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u/Substantial_Cod_2040 Oct 01 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

After playing a few difficult hacks and fan games, I’ve come to realize that Pokémon games being easy is one of the franchise’s greatest virtues. It allows you to play any way you want with very little limitation. As much as I think more difficulty can be fun, it’s hard to ignore that most Pokémon are not viable for those kinda of play throughs. Some of my favorite Pokémon are truly abysmal and it would be impossible to complete a game if it were any harder. By making the games easy, you really can play and win with your favorites.

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u/Succububbly Oct 01 '22

Honestly some of my favorite mons are also terrible (Furret, Jumpluff, etc) but I still want the games to be challenging. I don't mean make all the characters have 1837293738 hp, or make them 1hko, but I'd like smarter AI. I love playing competitive using "useless" pokemon like Gorebyss against people who use ridiculous meta stuff, for me it's part of the fun finding a way to prevail even against all odds, I guess.Or like, they should buff some mons too, Lilligant's lack of non grass moves is disgusting.

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u/blueshirt21 Oct 01 '22

It’s fun to just breed and raise Pokémon with perfect IVs and EVs that are outclassed horribly in Smogon tiers but so much fun to just wreck in single player.

Arcanine go brrrrrrr

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u/xHephx Oct 01 '22

Yeah, I think the real problem is that the pokemon games have a large and diverse playerbase, as a result a lot of people look for very different things in terms of their enjoyment from the games. I didn't leave it in here but another controversial opinion of mine is that the let's go games are easily the most enjoyable kanto experiences. Yes, they are easy, yes they add few new things to the games, yes, the go mechanic is weird. But in terms of actually entertaining content it blows FRLG out the water.

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u/Long__Jump Oct 01 '22

We are on a trend of adding a new mechanic every generation.

I think its unnecessary..

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u/rectalwallprolapse Oct 01 '22

And then never bringing it back lol which is even worse

Especially when they're stupid like z moves

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u/InconvertibleAtheist Oct 01 '22

Z moves seem cool until you watch the animation for twinkle tackle of Xerneas

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u/Succububbly Oct 01 '22

And it will probably be removed in a gen or two :c

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u/Spinjitsuninja Oct 01 '22

This isn't an unpopular opinion at all.

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u/GiveMeMoreBurritos Oct 01 '22

Absolute coldest opinion

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u/Violent_Violette Oct 01 '22

Releasing 2-4 versions of the same game for full price is some serious bullshit.

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u/mathjpg Oct 01 '22

omega ruby and alpha sapphire were fantastic remakes and games

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u/The_Fluffy_Riachu Oct 01 '22

Agreed. I have Alpha Sapphire and I love it! Probably my favourite features are the DexNAV and soaring! I actually got my first shiny from using the DexNAV :)

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u/MackMasher Oct 02 '22

I stand with my opinion being that ORAS > HGSS

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u/SpectralHex Oct 01 '22

Not EVERYTHING in Pokemon HAS to be about battling. Tbh I'd like a little less focus on battling throughout the anime and even maybe in the games. At least PL: Arceus is a start from what I hear though 🤷

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u/Sinnohgirl765 Oct 01 '22

I miss the contests honestly

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u/sunrayylmao Oct 02 '22

I liked how they were done in HGSS with the olympics style thing, but also like classic contests from RSE. Wish there was room for both.

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u/ChumpNicholson Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

There’s a few quests in PLA that let you put Pokémon into Jubilife Village, and it’s an absolute joy to walk down the street now and see a place that once was only humans now also filled with Pokémon.

There’s also some fun little research quests like studying Clefairy’s reaction to the full moon. Fun little treat from a series whose player-facing science has mostly been “write a three-sentence report.”

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u/Meriog Oct 01 '22

The pokemon you give villagers actually retain all their characteristics too! If you gave someone a small Wurmple, they'll have a small Dustox later. If you gave someone a shiny alpha Geodude, later they'll have a shiny alpha Golem.

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u/Itslmntori Oct 01 '22

My friends and I (biology folks) call PLA “Fieldwork: The Game”. I loved the focus on Pokémon themselves and building their relationships with humans.

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u/Remote_Midnight3887 Oct 01 '22

PLA is the most pokemon experience in the franchise for me. I actually went through and caught every single pokemon. If they mixed the catching aspect of PLA with gym leaders, elite four, and champions, I think it would be the perfect pokemon game.

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u/Succububbly Oct 01 '22

Oh my gosh yeah! I'd love a game where it focuses more on aspects like contests, musicals, pokeathlon, I wanna see my mons having fun not just punching each other.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Oct 01 '22

I think the Pokémon ranger games are seriously underrated. I played the shit out of the first one and the world feels so alive and just so like what a Pokémon world would be like.

That and mystery dungeon especially are arguably as good if not better than the main series games.

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u/Hogier27 Oct 01 '22

Don't know if it is controversial but I think that pokemon games should stop These "swap pokemon x to evolve it into pokemon y". It's fine that there are two seperate games with different pokemon, I mean this is their money Strategie, but needing to rely on other people willing to swap with you is quite annoying in my eyes.

I like These games for their Story and to be able to play them solo without any pressure from outside. It's also fine that I need to swap some pokemon with other people to complete the pokedex. But the need to swap pokemon just to evolve is quite annoying in my eyes.

Also - it would be nice to get ingame Information how pokemon evolve instead of either level them to level 80 just to realise it evolves in a different way or just to Look it up online.

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u/NaturalPandemic Oct 02 '22

Rip my run where I played with male combee until past level 50

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u/nivkj Oct 01 '22

Legends Arceus is the first game to make me feel like a kid since b/w. Even with its faults it’s my favorite game in many years.

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u/PimplupXD Oct 01 '22

Totally agree. I thought removing abilities and changing up how turn-based combat works was a little weird but didn't mind it too much.

And everything else about the game was absolutely fantastic. I especially liked the open world exploration/catching and the cool regional variant Pokémon.

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u/the_cosmovisionist Oct 01 '22

Hard agree! I think it's the most pokemon-y pokemon game since the first gen--a completely different style of play that encourages you to ACTUALLY catch all the pokemon and learn about them. A game that shows the relationship between people and pokemon, rather than just telling about it. A game that encourages curiosity and exploration and experimentation! PLA was one of the first games in years to give me that absolute childlike joy/wonder, in spite of all of its faults

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u/Fijipod Oct 02 '22

The most unbelievable thing in the anime, in a world where power friends can do literal magic, is that some ten year old in the middle of heckin nowhere is making macarons from scratch with only the told that fit in a backpack.

I can only suspend my disbelief so far and apparently the line is somewhere above Mewtwo and below macarons from scratch in the forest.

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u/SkippedForeplay Oct 01 '22

Blue killed his raticate

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u/GiveMeMoreBurritos Oct 01 '22

I thought Red did that

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u/SkippedForeplay Oct 01 '22

One could argue blue did it because he lost to red

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u/AD-SKYOBSIDION Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

The raticate commites seppuku

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u/glytxh Oct 01 '22

The game’s aesthetic, mechanics and pacing peaked in the third generation.

Pokémon’s greatest sin, however, is removing the bicycle and gambling den from Let’s Go.

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u/Anchor38 Oct 01 '22

can we please limit “what are your controversial opinions” posts to at least one per week I see one of these every day and the replies are just the same 5 opinions worded slightly different

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u/Lambeaux Oct 01 '22

Woah man, this is just too controversial. Theres a line dude.

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u/Seraph_99 Oct 01 '22

The nature system should be done away with and replaced with something else as most Pokémon do well with only 1 or 2 natures and otherwise have stunted potential. Furthermore, IVs should be folded into EVs. Just add the 31 extra points to each stat for EVs. The IV system only serves to prolong the breeding process. If part of the allure of Pokémon is that each Pokémon is unique, then something should be done to make them unique without relegating most Pokémon (those without perfect IVs and natures) to inferiority. Perhaps give them randomly generated differences in appearance? Like a special mark or backstory in the summary?

Also I think egg moves should be easier to obtain. Perhaps let Pokémon in the same egg group just share abilities when placed together in the daycare, not just Pokémon of the same species?

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u/Imrahil3 Oct 01 '22

That's a well thought-out opinion and I'm upvoting because I don't like it, so well done on being well-thought-out and controversial.

Counterpoint: Lore-wise, Pokemon each have their own inherent personality, and dropping that in favor of making it easier to grind for competitive purposes is a bad idea. Natures give a little more life to the Pokemon world, and it goes against the spirit of the story to breed-grind for the "perfect" Pokemon instead of taking an "inferior" Pokemon that you've bonded with and winning as the underdog.

Counter-suggestion: Competitive play should just let you pick your stats exactly like Showdown does. If there's no point in breed-grinding to get a perfect nature, then there shouldn't be much point in EV grinding to get perfect stats either. Both are treating Pokemon as tools to be bent and shaped as you see fit and discarded when no longer useful.

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u/Seraph_99 Oct 01 '22

Admittedly it would be ideal to let the games function like Showdown and let you modify your Pokémon for the Battle Tower/Frontier and Competitive at will. So your counter suggestion would achieve the same result. I just don’t know if GameFreak would be willing to finally give up the ghost and just lay out the system like that rather than continuing to hide behind the veneer they’ve created.

They’ve become a lot friendlier to competitive Pokémon modification in-game by allowing nature changes, IV manipulation, and even items that unlock the hidden ability of a Pokémon. But they still insist on hiding the whole thing behind the dedicated grind. My suggestion was primarily to give them an out so they could truthfully maintain that “all Pokémon are special” while also truthfully maintaining that “all Pokémon have potential for greatness” without having to pop the hood and show off the engine.

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u/Succububbly Oct 01 '22

I really want more focus on "girly" pokemon aspects, from costumizations, to sidegames (contests, cooking, baking, movies, musicals, dressup). I feel like girly costumization peaked in gen 6 and then everything felt less and less feminine.Also buff girly pokemon I'm tired of my favorite cute mons all being weak, the few exceptions being mostly mythicals.I'd also like for them to put more care into the friendship aspect of the pokemon, I feel like many people are pretty heartless nowadays to people who have grown attached to their pokemon (I still have my first starter) with the dexit situation.

I'd also like ribbons to actually be wearable on the pokemon, and maybe be more creative with pokemon stickers. In general I want the game to try have more risks exploring these unconventional aspects.

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u/DamianWinters Oct 02 '22

Gen 6 is honestly my favourite because of the great customization for guys specifically, the later games had garbage guy clothes.

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u/januarysdaughter Oct 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Grinding is awful and I'm so glad the exp share changed.

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u/Jampine Oct 01 '22

Some people would like the option to disable it.

Also one big problem with the diamond and pearl remakes was forced exp share was enabled, but ever battle was using levels from before the full team had the exp share, so you rapidly start to overtake all your opponents without even trying to.

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u/Prof_Tickles Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Omg yes. Please give us the option to disable. It’s good during the main story but during post game I like to keep a Pokémon around level 20-30 as my fodder Pokémon to catch weaker Pokémon.

I hate that it gets leveled up against my wishes.

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u/B217 Oct 01 '22

BDSP are honestly the worst mainline Pokemon games, or at least the worst remakes. They're quite literally a copy-paste of the originals, to the point that the same typos and even the same glitches are still in. But of course, what they DID add to the games was done without balancing the rest of the game around it. It's awful.

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u/Tallon_raider Sqoosh Oct 01 '22

Drizzle pelliper was ridiculously broken

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u/NBAGuyUK Forever Blowing Bubbles. Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

With opinions like this, it's always so clear that the solution would just be to give players the option. Genuinely so glad that the new exp share works well for you but it doesn't work well for others.

Why can't they just give us a simple toggle to switch it on and off? That's all it would take to please both camps 🤷

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u/Succububbly Oct 01 '22

Exactly, I don't get why people don't want a switch. I keep the exp on since I love catching multiple pokemon and having them all around the same level so I can rotate my team, but if someone wants to have the exp off let them!!

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u/LakerBlue Oct 01 '22

That and you have to like avoid battles to avoid being overleveled with EXP share. The games aren’t balanced around EXP share.

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u/KallistiEngel Oct 01 '22

Right. No one* was griping about it in Gen 6 or 7 when Exp Share was on by default. You could always turn it off and there were folks who did (hi, I'm one of them). The complaining about Exp Share largely started with Gen 8 when they took the option to turn it off away. There was no need to do that.

*There will always be a few who complain about anything. You know what I mean so no need to try to correct.

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u/duoboros Oct 01 '22

I'm pretty sure that's what it was like when it was introduced in X/Y, no idea why they removed it

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u/NeonHowler Oct 01 '22

I just wish it was an option. I prefer to turn it off to make the game a bit harder and to really force me to switch off my stronger pokemon.

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u/Mddcat04 Oct 01 '22

I don’t think it’s really that bad that new Pokémon games are easy

I feel like the last few have actually been in a pretty solid place difficulty-wise. Like not challenging overall, but with the occasional difficulty spike. The BD/SP elite four were a solid challenge (well tuned teams, good IVs, strats, and items) and that one fight in Legends Arceus certainly surprised me and kicked my butt the first couple of tries.

(Also if you need a hard mode, just change from switch to set. Really changes the dynamic).

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u/pacman1993 hi! Oct 01 '22

Agree with the switch to set change. It also makes it a more fair battle. The opponent doesnt know what pokemon you're going to send to battle next, so why should you?

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u/breadofthegrunge Oct 01 '22

I kind of disagree about BDSP. Yeah the elite four were challenging, but in comparison to the rest of the game, they're insanely difficult. The game should have a good difficulty curve, not smacking the player out of the blue with way more difficult battles after no real challenges the whole game.

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u/Spinjitsuninja Oct 01 '22

I don't know about BDSP, but SwSh is just mind numbingly easy. It's a mash A simulator.

I don't think the series needs to be hard, not many games in the series are, but some are definitely better balanced in a way that encourages the player put in a little effort to beat the game.

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u/Mddcat04 Oct 01 '22

SwSh is just mind numbingly easy

Oh, I agree, I remember most of the gym leaders being basically Dynamax -> use super effective max move 3 times. But I think that SwSh is a bit of an outlier difficulty wise. Both S/M games as well as BDSP had challenging fights. I guess we'll see with Scarlet and Violet.

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u/Nowky Oct 01 '22

You didn't even need to dynamax tbh

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u/Naayoko Oct 01 '22

Jesse and James should be more villainous, gen 5 they were honestly pretty awesome, but then gen 7 was an absolute joke

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u/TheGamerWT Oct 01 '22

They definitely felt more like comical relief 90% of the time in Alola, but they also served that purpose pretty well.

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u/Drstrangelove899 Oct 01 '22

Jessie and James aren't really particularly bad people really, honestly I think they only try and steal Pikachu every episode because they actually just wanna hang out with Ash and Co.

They're meant to be bumbling comic relief, Giovani is the real Villain.

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u/dubiousN Oct 01 '22

They have never been really bad. There's nothing villainous about their version of the Team Rocket..motto/poem thing.

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u/Nosretta Oct 01 '22

Ice should be super effective against rock

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u/The_Fluffy_Riachu Oct 01 '22

I think that rock and ice should be super effective against eachother as Rock can easily smash Ice and when water freezes into ice in the cracks of rocks, it can break them apart

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u/alotofcooties Oct 01 '22

This might be a little of a rant. Shiny hunting is such a waste of time. Not worth spending days upon days of your life for a different colored Pokemon. Just for some minor differences that will probably sit in your box forever unused.

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u/TheBeep87 Oct 01 '22

As a Gen 1er, though I'm deep in GSC right now and loving it all, the original games are so flawed. Combat, puzzles catching rare and Safari Zone pokemon...it's all more a chore than it should be in hindsight. I've basically never legitimately cought Chansey or Kangaskhan and getting Porygon out of the Game Corner is a waste of time and effort. It's definitely an achievement to get a full Gen 1 Dex but the older I get the less worth it it seems.

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u/Bartimaeus5 Oct 01 '22

I dug up my old Gameboy, got my roommate to find his old GBA and cable and bought Blue and Red from eBay and put the Gameboy with Pokemon Red in the bathroom. Whenever I would poop I'd play Pokemon Red, used the glitch to catch Mew and a few months later I caught all 151 Pokemons.

Tauros was the worst, I woke up with severe diarrhea one day at about 5AM(Lactose intolerance + hubris) and stayed in the toilet for 2 whole hours. It would have been horrible but getting that darn bull made it worth it. Highly recommended!

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u/Appropriate-Ad8337 Oct 01 '22

If you include the Mew (or I guess Ditto) glitch, they're one of the only main series games where it's possible to complete the Pokédex without trading. It IS a chore, but is possible, and there's definitely a feeling of accomplishment afterwards.

I do think Porygon is too hard to get for what it is. If Porygon2 was in gen 1, sure, it'd be worth it, but for the time, no it wasn't (although you could just Mew Glitch for it).

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u/goldensun003 Oct 01 '22
  1. There is no more need for 2 versions or 3 versions

  2. The gimmicks now are rehashed megas.

  3. The legendaries need to be 1 or 2 per generation

  4. The events NEED to be on a cycle program once they are done with updating the base game they are on.

  5. Honestly they need to redo the Ice type to be better.

  6. Need to restat all pokemon to make since. Onix is a perfect example that it shouldn't be weaker than most pokemon.

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u/SunkenCrayon Oct 01 '22

"Controversial" opinion you gave the most popular of opinions

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u/Glitiz Oct 01 '22

I really like the new gimmicks, but my favorite is still the megas, because my 3 favourite pokemon recieved megas, and thats because i really like the other gimmicks: no pokemon gets excluded. Everyone can use their favourite pokemon and enjoy the new gimmicks. Z-moves are sick (excluding the fairy one), dyna/gigantamax is goofy and fun, and terastalization is something i really wanted since i was a kid (excluding the hats of course, but they dont seem to make the experience worse so it doesn't matter for me). And, after all, if you dont like the gimmicks its simple: just dont use them in your playthroughs.

(Sorry for the ocasional spelling and grammar mistakes, im not a native speaker :D )

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u/NobleChimp Oct 01 '22

I don't really like Lucario

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u/Chaahps Oct 01 '22

Trade evolutions should be completely removed, or at least have alternate evolution methods. Also every evolution item/basic held item (think like BlackGlasses)/evolution stone should be farmable in the same way Metal Coat or Heart Scales have been. It’s ridiculous that in some games, you only find one or two of a certain evolution stone or evolution item, or they are locked behind postgame stuff. Aegislash in gen 6, it’s native region, couldn’t be accessed until post E4 for instance. These could all go hand in hand as well. For example, leveling up a Kadabra to lvl30 while holding Twisted Spoon as an alternate evolution method to trade. While we’re at it, I want more goofy evolution methods like Inkay or Shedinja

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u/H00513r Oct 01 '22

Eevee should have been the mascot, not Pikachu. There. I said the thing.