I spent the last year and a half following all the rules, got the vaccine, avoided travel and public spaces. Here in the states, there is more than enough vaccine. I'm done feeling bad for adults who get covid who could have had the vaccine. They did this to themselves.
The worst part is that vaccinated people are getting sick. I have a friend whose vaccinated mother is diabetic and she is going on a ventilator today. Also, we’ve had a couple of kids pass away at our local hospital. I’m in Florida where our it appears as though our Governor is trying to get kids sick on purpose
Ron better be seeing a cell once shit gets better because it’s absolutely ridiculous what he’s doing. Only silver lining here is majority of the idiots here listening and praising as well as getting sick is his base but still, fuck him
Ya I remember that happening too, she refused to alter the FL covid maps too. COVID has gotten so bad in FL recently that they’re saying even the vaccinated are at risk. This is exactly what happens when enough people decide to ignore science and not get vaccinated.
I donated to her GoFundMe when she was arrested and she posted an update that she is running for office now! I have my own idiots in Texas to deal with, but hope the people of Florida back her.
My friend had her neighbor/ex friend who wore a mask and begged my friend to go out with her and “celebrate her birthday” while she literally had Covid. “But she hasn’t had a fever since yesterday and it’s her birthday”. My friend (of course) called her and told her to leave then sprayed Lysol all around her front porch. It scares me to think how many people that lady literally spread Covid to. Panhandle of FL. Scares me everyday.
I know :( she planned on bar hopping. It’s sadistic. My friend’s original plan was to Skype with her and Uber eat order her some booze if she felt up to it. (You know - the safer way to celebrate a birthday with Covid). She was gonna drop off a slice of cake at her door.
The funny thing about Rebekah Jones is that she was super unqualified for her job. She was hired on through a connection with DeSantis but she turned on him when the state started hiding and fudging data. Many government employees here in FL are miserable and don’t have anything left in them to fight the system so it was quite refreshing to see someone give a damn and do something
Holy shit. That opinion piece does nothing to say she was wrong. In fact, it removes and of the reasons why she whistleblowed and just calls her a liar.
The NY post author is a real piece of shit and so is whoever spreads this article
I'm so sorry to hear that about your friend's mother.
That's why they've approved a third dose for immune-compromised patients already. Delta is kicking the country's ass and the most vulnerable are the ones who pay when the stupidest among us refuse to do the bare minimum.
I keep fantasizing about a world where Republicans elected someone the tiniest bit less incompetent than Trump. Even if they wanted to play politics with the pandemic and be racist about it, they could have framed it as, "a foreign invader is attacking our citizens. We can't see it, but we can fight it. Take your American-made vaccine and be a patriot - send COVID-19 the message that Americans won't be taken down so easily."
I'd be cranky about the messaging, but if the y'all qaeda crowd was getting vaccinated and wearing gas-mask-themed or camo face masks to pretend they're going to war against the virus, at least they'd be contributing to society instead of destroying it.
Vaccines aren't 100% effective. Never have been. But when you look at the hospitalization rates for people who are vaccinated it's so low that any rational person should be running for the vaccine.
Very true however like I said I’m in Florida and we are the epicenter so we are having a lot of vaccinated folks hospitalized. I read in my local news that out of 70 something covid patients, 9 of them were vaccinated
If thats true then why are we shaming unvaccinated people and resorting to peer pressure and coercion to try and get them to get a vaccine if its not going to work anyway?
Mutations will occur more rapidly in unvaccinated people as the body has no immediate immune response. The pandemic is prolonged by those that are too stupid to understand basic virology.
If enough people got the vaccine to begin with, we may not have the delta variant wreaking havoc. The vaccine will keep the vast majority of people from getting majorly sick. If you have a comorbidity and/or are immunosuppressed then you are especially at risk
Because vast majority of vaccinated people won’t get sick and if they do it won’t lead to hospitalizations and death. You can look up the recent stats of how nearly all recent covid hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated people. It’s not a coincidence that the states with higher rates of unvaccinated people are the same states with no ICU beds. Mississippi asked the federal government to send the military hospital ship because they are literally out of beds.
Holy shit. So few fully vaccinated are even catching covid it is absurd that it is even ever brought up. Some serious journalistic malpractice led to the impression I had previously had about this.
Gotta love the power of misinformation :) Glad this helped.
Obviously some vaccinated people will catch covid. That's the nature of vaccines. But unfortunately those are the cases that everyone points at and goes "see the vaccine doesn't prevent covid." But the data shows on a macro level that it in fact does.
I think it depends on your location as well. I made my comment because I’m in Florida and we are the epicenter for the virus. I do know multiple vaccinated people who have been hospitalized and probably about 10 vaccinated who have caught covid. We just have to keep wearing masks and social distancing like we were before. But where I’m located in the panhandle hardly anyone is wearing a mask. I actually got ridiculed for wearing a mask at rosemary beach by a bunch of fratters and their dads. Tourism + DeSantis + ignorant Floridians = unprecedented viral transmission
Nobody is telling anyone what to do with their body. You are inventing scenarios to fuel a persecution complex. Get the vaccine or be content with being prohibited from certain social spaces.
Nope, it's your choice not to get vaccinated. America is a free country after all. You won't be persecuted by law, but that doesn't mean you're immune from social consequence.
Yea I am. We need to mandate vaccines to get this shit under control. I don't want to end up with a tube down my fucking throat because a percentage of Americans think this is god's plan. Sick of us catering to the least common denominator.
The way Delta beats the vaccine is by outproducing your trained response. Basically, the lack of widespread vaccine coverage feels like it gave just enough evolutionary pressure to reproduce faster than our bodies can remove it. Why should you still get the vaccine in this case? Because your body will spend resources learning how to fight the virus. You can spend those now, when you're not sick, to be ready in the future or you can spend them when you're trying to survive.
Sure but the vaccine doesn't make you infectious to reach immunity. To reach natural immunity you could easily infect many other people when you get sick.
Yep, I couldn't give 2 shits about vaccine eligible adults getting Covid now... buutt I'm worried about the kids who can't get the vaccine, and I'm even more worried about a potential vaccine resistant varient that puts those of us who actually got the vaccine in danger again.
sorry you have to deal with cultish a holes who think just cause they got the shot the rules dont apply to them now.
all the shot does is ideally prevent you from dying if you get covid. it doesnt stop you spreading it to others. people are very selfish to think "well i cant die, lets party like its 2019" and then go spreading germs around
No, of course not. Just the most likely considering he coughed on me and I wasn’t around many people for very long. I would say I am 95% sure it was him.
Not as sick as I was on Monday but still sick. The loss of smell and taste is the most annoying bit. Makes eating really unenjoyable. I have lost about 10 pounds so far.
i lost some weight when i had covid. not cause of the virus directly but i was sleeping 14+ hours per day for a week and a half, so typically only eating one meal per day and my muscles atrophied a bit too
Sure, most people will still eat because hunger, but not everybody. I always lose weight when I’m sick, because I don’t really have an appetite.
Covid often takes out sense of taste and smell, and without being able to enjoy the taste of food, many people are less likely to overeat, because the joy isn’t there. My wife lost about 15 pounds total, and my brother was down about 30 pounds by the time he died. Just because you didn’t stop eating normally, doesn’t mean others had the same experience.
While I agree if you can be vaccinated you should be vaccinated but how in the world is it an unvaccinated person’s fault that you had a breakthrough case of Covid? Even if you are vaccinated you can get it and pass it along. You have no idea if it came from a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.
There would be no new variants if people got vaccinated ergo the virus can’t mutate anymore. We never even reached herd immunity needed before the mask mandate was lifted. Then alll the unvaccinated fucks stopped wearing their masks as if they are vaccinated. It wouldn’t be so much a problem for me and my wife but we have a 3 year old who can’t get the vaccine so I have to rely on my local community to get vaccinated. What a crock of shit. What about his rights?
The variants are coming from countries where nobody is vaccinated, and without actually locking down the borders (like many more successful countries have) they will always find their way in. This is a dumb argument
Who cares where it came from! My point is still if everyone in our area got vaccinated the chances of the variant spreading are dramatically decreased.
That is 100% false, and not how biology works. The vaccine is what aids in propagating variants. This has been the main concern with vaccines and antibiotics for decades. It is also how resistant strains of anything pop up in populations.
Right, but the efficacy of the polio vaccine was much higher…..correct?
If what I am saying is false, then where do vaccine resistant virus and antibiotics resistant bacteria come from? God? Spontaneous generation? The Chinese?
This is how biology works when the “cure” has a low efficacy in those vaccinated. Nothing to do with the unvaccinated.
Yeah ive looked into that, strep is bacterial so yeah we know bacteria resistance has increased. We are talking about a virus currently and when ive looked into it, finding nothing that supports your claim.
Note the part where they cover that the key to preventing resistance is creating vaccines that block transmission. A detail which has obviously not occurred with covid vaccines.
Any data that shows the covid vaccine doesn't help reduce transmission? My understanding is it can prevent help prevent getting covid in some cases which would help reduce transmission.
People refusing to get vaccinated continue spreading the virus and allowing it to mutate into strains that are more resistant to the vaccine. Remember when we were almost done with this shit and then the delta variant popped back up? Thank your local antivaxxers for that.
Isn’t the delta variant from overseas? How is it American based unvaccinated that caused delta variant? Thought it was pretty known that it is from India or some other country nowhere near the US
If you need it explained to you why the variant tore through the Unvaxxed population, instead of being stopped dead in its tracks by an overwhelmingly, sane and reasonably vaccinated population, then...
Thank people from India who don’t have access to the vaccine for that.
Thank the American government for letting people rally across the border during a pandemic for that.
Immigration thoughts aside, now is actually a great time to really lock down who comes in and out of this country because the variants are going to keep coming out of poor countries and finding their way here
This was always inevitable. The vaccines are leaky, meaning it can still be hosted, mutated, and spread, so even with 100% vaccination rate, mutations were still going to appear. Scientists have been saying this since day 1, that we should hold off until we have a fully effective vaccine. Because otherwise, you get vaccine resistant mutations, just like how we can produce antibiotic-resistant diseases if we don't kill them off.
Hope you get better but dont blame the guy who didnt get the vax but rather the people who said it would help if you got it. Now we become divided and what next, we attack the other side?
Even in breakthrough cases the vaccine statistically reduces the severity of the disease. E.g. you are less likely to need hospitalization, less likely to die from it etc.
This is true! But it does not stop you from hosting, mutating, and spreading the disease, which is why the hate-mongering about the unvaccinated is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. We're going to continue to have variants in our lives. Many are going to come from unvaccinated and many will come from vaccinated. That's how viruses work.
Then stop. The unvaccinated are not asking you you to change anything. Most of them aren’t following the rules anyway, so why are we making rules for them. They know the risk, they make a decision. Stop protecting them from it.
They’re definitely not “asking” but unfortunately the inaction of the unvaccinated is forcing the rest of us to take extra precautions to (A) not only protect them but also to (B) protect people who can’t get the vaccine (kids and the severely immunocompromised) AND to (C) work extra hard to avoid new more deadly variants.
We’d be done with mask requirements, vaccine cards and mandates if they would just learn to be self-sufficient, a classic conservative belief, rather than obstinate to the point of suicide.
Vaccines do help protect against infection. Just because it’s possible for the vaccinated to become infected doesn’t mean vaccines are useless to help stop spread. You don’t just give up the effort or leave it others to pick up the slack.
The unvaccinated are not asking you you to change anything.
No, they're just asking us to take on unnecessary risk to accommodate their stupidity, laziness, childish resistance to authority, and blind contrarianism.
Except—and I know you know this but it still goes unmentioned a lot of the time—we have a huge chunk of the population (under 11) unvaccinated. So when people throw their hands up and say Well, tough for them, let them die…it’s just not that simple. We have to get the adults vaccinated, or else our kids are all getting COVID.
I know it's terrible, but my folks and I have been talking about it because they live in the States, but we say that these people deserve to die for they're stupid attitudes.
Sounds pretty heartless. I'm NOT done feeling bad for those who took the vaccine and still have breakthrough cases, heart inflammation, kidney failure, nerve damage, fertility issues, and blood clots. Even though they did it to themselves..
You're not being virtuous by not living your life. You're also not protecting yourself or anyone else, and are more likely the cause of new variants.
I do still feel bad for them. Many of them truly love in a reality where every news source they use is telling them to be scared of the vaccine. In many cases parents are scaring kids away from getting it. It is truly horrifying the kinds of propoganda that are being pumped out and directly into these people's lives. I can not hate republicans and their twisted minded constituents. I can hate someone who's whole world view is driven by terror and fear. The only feeling I have for them is pity. I pity them. I am not angry at them. I am angry at their representatives. I am angry at their media leaders. I am angry at the rich who are using the pandemic to both enrich themselves and kill off the poor. I am angry at democrats who are to fucking stupid to do anything about it. But I do not hate the unvaccinated.
I have met exactly 1 guy who is refusing the vaccine, but doesn't make me feel enraged. He says it's against his religion. He acknowledges that it's safe and effective, is easily the most diligent person I've met regarding mask use and other precautions, and says that it gives him relief to know that everyone else at work is vaccinated so that he can be protected. He just thinks that his god labeled vaccines a sin and is being devout.
I'm not sure how I feel about it, but rage and spite aren't the emotions that spring up most readily.
Me too. I was supposed to have moved to Japan back in April but I can’t because selfish people can’t get their shit together. I gave up my nice single apartment because my lease was up anyways and thought I was going to be living with my parents for two months at the most before I moved again. Now I am single 35 year old man living at home and feel like a loser. GET THE DAMN VACCINE PEOPLE!
As if......only the unvaccinated are getting covid these days. The post right below yours is speaking about a friend's mother, who is vaccinated going on a ventilator today.
One of my coworkers who was in the first groups to get vaccinated with Pfizer just passed away suddenly. She got sick on Tuesday and was dead by Sunday. Her daughter was expecting my coworker's second grandchild. It was all she could talk about, now she will never get to meet her.
She did everything right, even was doing contact tracing work for the last year. Now because people are idiots she will never get to meet her grandbaby. It's not fair.
And people who eat healthy and exercise are having heart attacks at 40. Doesn’t mean it’s the standard. It’s rare for a vaccinated person to get covid, but breakthrough cases are something we’ve acknowledged and documented. So tell me, what’s the point of your comment?
A - a dumb anti vax talking point that goes nowhere, failing to account for the fact that yes; you can still get it, but you wont end up as sick or die
B - a reminder that just because youre vaxxed doesnt mean you cant still spread this shit around (a fact that people are foolishly ignorning)
The unvaccinated are allowing it to spread. Yes vaccinated people can get COVID, people who get the flu shot can still get the flu. Point behind is we reached like numbers we need we wouldn’t have this problem.
Yeah at a number far fucking less. All governors are saying it’s mostly
UNVACCINATED in the hospital. In Va it’s about 98% of hospitalized due to COVID is unvaccinated.
You are talking about Covid. Check
Vaccinated can still spread virus. Check
You follow VA closely you know it’s bad if you read the numbers.???? Umm yeah my point.
Not near as bad as when it spiked??? We are near 2k in cases daily that’s pretty bad.
2 deaths a day of unvaccinated people who don’t need to die.
And they chose not to get the vaccine. As an American adult, you are free to do so.
We aren't going to start forcing patients to take pills they don't want to take? Even if they will die, it's their choice to say I don't want to take it.
Where is the data on how these cases were contracted? I'd like to know how many people caught the virus from vaccinated vs unvaccinated people
But unvaccinated people getting covid is the reason we don’t totally have all our freedoms back. It’s all about saving lives and keeping hospitals stable, and of course preventing even deadlier variants
I mean, I definitely hassle people I know who don't get a flu shot. It's free here in Canada. But it's still not comparable to this. This vaccine is FAR more effective, and the illness you could get is potentially FAR more consequential.
A vaccinated person is vastly less likely to spread or catch the virus, and if they do they're less likely to need intense medical care and overburden the system.
The vast majority of spread and hospitalizations is among the unvaccinated, who could have easily taken steps to contribute.
So the brunt of our ire should be for those who decided not to act rationally, and to ignore both their and the public's well being. It's literally their fault this is happening at this point.
We don't typically have shame around not getting a flu shot because we're not typically in the second year of a global flu pandemic that's killed millions.
From what I've heard, you can spread the virus just as much if you're vaccinated or unvaccinated. That's why they suggest that vaccinated people still follow their guidelines of wearing masks and staying 6 feet apart.
I don't blame the American people for not getting vaccinated. Were fully open right now, and yeah were having more cases, but people are going to get sick every year no matter how many guidelines are put into effect..
If you don't want to get vaccinated, I don't give a shit.
I believe you have heard incorrect statements, because it's not correct that it's the same rate regardless.
They recommend everyone wear a mask in areas where there's a lot of spread, because the significantly reduced spread from a vaccinated person is still worth reducing further, in areas with significant spread.
In areas without significant spread, the risk from vaccinated people is negligible, which is why they only recommend unvaccinated people need to wear a mask.
It is true that people will die every year, and in part because of coronavirus.
Just because we don't look likely to eliminate it, doesn't mean we need to embrace those who show no interest in pitching in.
We'll always have automobile accidents, but I still wear a seatbelt, and I sure as hell feel ire towards people who drive drunk.
You can get COVID but the vaccine does provide protection against initial infection and it’s a hell of a lot better protection than blindly pretending nothing is happening.
Also, if you do get sick, your chances of ending up in the a valuable and costly hospital bed goes down 99.9%. Getting the vaccine is just the responsible and economically sensible thing to do.
Nobody asked you to feel bad for us. Everyone makes their own choice. Take you for example, living in fear, taking an untested therapeutic, risking all sides and not being able to hold big pharma accountable.
Let's just hope the new studies coming out surrounding ADE (due to vaccine) and several kidney related failures miss you and your loved ones. The adverse effects list grows by the week.
It's interesting that you say it's "untested", and then reference studies about it.
Do you have much knowledge of how an emergency use authorization comes about?
They go through the same safety trials as any other medicine, it just changes when in the process you can report the results of your trials. Same trials for both though.
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u/GunsouBono 16d ago
I spent the last year and a half following all the rules, got the vaccine, avoided travel and public spaces. Here in the states, there is more than enough vaccine. I'm done feeling bad for adults who get covid who could have had the vaccine. They did this to themselves.