r/politics Vermont Aug 18 '22 Bravo! 1 Faith In Humanity Restored 1 Helpful 3 Silver 3

Poll: Majority of Americans Approve of Search on Mar-a-Lago for Files Trump Took

https://truthout.org/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-search-on-mar-a-lago-for-files-trump-took/
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u/m1j2p3 Aug 18 '22

When survey participants were asked how they felt about the search, most said they approved of the DOJ’s actions, with 54 percent saying so. Only 36 percent said they disapproved. Similarly, only 30 percent of those surveyed said they approve of Trump having taken the records after leaving office, while 52 percent said they disapproved.

I can’t believe 30% think it’s ok for the former president to steal classified documents from the people and keep them in his home.

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u/TintedApostle Aug 18 '22

The same 30% that believes it was Antifa who attacked the capital.

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u/FARTCOPTERRRRR Aug 18 '22

It's always that same 30% of America that has the stupid take on everything.

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u/NobleGasTax Aug 18 '22

The Dirty Thirty.

Resisting progress since forever

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u/teenagesadist Minnesota Aug 18 '22

It's the 30 percent that thinks whatever fox tells them think.

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u/swiftb3 Canada Aug 18 '22

lol, I'm pretty sure the bulk of that 30% hate fox and only listen to newsmax and oan.

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u/AhegaoTankGuy Aug 18 '22

My grandpa used to watch oan before his service upped the pricing of it.

Glad he's back to watching "liberal" "news" again. 🙄 (rolling my eyes at the shit he believes is liberal).

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u/hughmann_13 Aug 18 '22

Ugh their host literally had a tag line of "even when I'm wrong, I'm right"

It wasn't even high quality propaganda

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u/User9705 America Aug 18 '22

The loud minority

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u/BadSmash4 Aug 18 '22

30% just feels way too high.

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u/TheOneInchPunisher Texas Aug 18 '22

1 in 3 Americans are complete fucking idiots.

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u/ListenToMeCalmly Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

And uneducated. As intended.

Edit: "In 1902, John D. Rockefeller created the General Education Board at the ultimate cost of $129 million. The GEB provided major funding for schools across the nation and was very influential in shaping the current school system. As Rockefeller put it, “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.” Even more compelling are the words of Frederick T Gates, business advisor to Rockefeller: “We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians….”

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u/Effective-Treat-9657 Aug 18 '22

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that”. George Carlin

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u/Schrutes_Yeet_Farm Aug 18 '22

42% voted for him in 2020. This 30% is just the diehard MAGA hats. They cannot be swayed in any way. They will support him until the day they die and their headstone will be a tribute to him.

Any time a poll is taken on something trump has done, no matter how egregious, it will sit around this number

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u/DBeumont Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

42% of votes cast. It was only about 30% 22% of the population that voted for him.

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u/AnnArborDad Aug 18 '22

It was only about 30%

Around 22% (75M / 335M)

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u/lunapup1233007 Minnesota Aug 18 '22

There are around 75 million Americans who are under 18 and therefore cannot vote, so a better statistic would be the percent of the voting age population.

75mil/260mil is 29%, which is likely where the 30% came from.

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u/wrongside40 Aug 18 '22

Have you visited rural America lately?

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u/Cid-Itad Aug 18 '22

Recently drove through parts of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Montana, Idaho and eastern Washington.

Yeah it was not that great.

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u/wrongside40 Aug 18 '22

Also, stfa from the exurbs. Those mofos are crazy, especially the cops

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u/valeyard89 Texas Aug 18 '22

Exurbs are full of Karens

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u/Auphor_Phaksache Aug 18 '22

Three years ago it was 40% so let's remember to take our Ws

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u/theCroc Aug 18 '22

Those 30% are beyond reach. They will support anything he does, even if there was video evidence of him raping kids they would still somehow twist it.

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u/Morten14 Aug 18 '22

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u/gentlemanidiot Aug 18 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Also he declared those kids adults before he left office!

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u/LacedSmoke Aug 18 '22

Also it was antifa!

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u/Independent_Chair_62 Aug 18 '22

Theyd say some shit like. "How could he be a child rapist if their all adults comming forward besides what child would want to have sex with a 70 y/o 🤔 something something every awful thing ive ever done is because of democrats and what they want to do to us therefore the devil made me do it which is why we need a strong leader above the law to enforce religion in school to stop gun deaths."

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u/justatest90 Aug 18 '22

That's a deep fake,

And if it wasn't, they were basically 18 anyway

And even if they weren't, they were clearly into it

And even if they weren't, his staff lied to him so he didn't know

And even if he did, he didn't mean to go full penetration

And even if he did, they shouldn't have been there in the first place

(adapted from the narcissist's prayer)

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u/Omegamanthethird Aug 18 '22

I guarantee those same 30% think Hillary should be in prison for having her emails on a private server.

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u/YouAreSoyWojakMeChad Aug 18 '22

And those same people are completely ok with their guy and his family he hired in to all use their own unsecured devices.

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u/Mammoth-Extension-19 Aug 18 '22

They're okay with hiring people to hack into voting machines!

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u/jjdj620 Aug 18 '22

My pops shares this same sentiment. Couldn't even casually bring up Trumps home being searched without him going on a rant about Hillary. 'Well she never went to prison, blah blah blah.' At what point will these 30% just say he fucked up, repeatedly, and deserves to pay for it?? Even if payment means never getting close to the White House again.

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u/Dizzy-Insurance-9395 Aug 18 '22

And think it's a big problem that hunter Biden got a job because of his dad, ignoring all the jobs Trump gave his kids.

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u/Omegamanthethird Aug 18 '22

And they made over a billion dollars with their new found connections if I'm not mistaken. Corruption at its finest.

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u/ZipoBibrok5x108 Aug 18 '22

Didn’t Kushner just get a $2 billion gift from Saudi Arabia?

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u/waitingtodiesoon Aug 18 '22

Hunter Biden didn't even get a government job with national security clearance's that they kept failing multiple times until their patriarch had to personally give them their own clearance approval. Not comparable at all if you actually look at it objectively, but we know Conservatives don't know about facts.

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u/GarysCrispLettuce Aug 18 '22

Why? We've already seen with their opinions on anything from LGBTQ issues to abortion, conservatives have a problem with basic morality. They do NOT have a solid sense of right/wrong.

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u/AntipopeRalph Aug 18 '22

And they’re a pretty consistent 30% of any given sample.

But it also seems the distribution of that 30% across the country creates some enormous electoral leverage….even when losing against the overall national sentiments.

Non-participation in American elections is probably the biggest culprit for our decline in humane/useful policy.

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u/slfnflctd Aug 18 '22

A big part of the problem is that the places where you could theoretically get the most additional turnout are already left leaning.

Due to gerrymandering and disproportionate representation of rural areas in the Senate and House (daily reminder that the number of House reps has been capped since 1929), that 30% has a deathgrip on national politics. This is one of the main things we need to fix if we're ever going to have fair representation, but trying to do so is doomed because we don't.

We really are kinda stuck with no clear way out, and any headway we make is going to be met with increasingly violent resistance by those who will never be convinced.

All that being said, you should still vote as often as possible while you still can. You can make a bigger difference in local elections, and the results of that will eventually have a broader impact if you keep it up.

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u/AntipopeRalph Aug 18 '22

Nah. I mean holistically. There’s low participation in off-cycles, municipal, statewide, and policy-based votes.

Imagine if 100% of eligible voters turned out for the local sheriff’s race, or for school boards. We’d have a different political DNA up and down.

Gerrymandering is a significant problem beyond congressional races yeah…but there are big pieces of our democracy that aren’t impacted by it as well. And we don’t participate well in those zones.

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u/Typical-Range-6302 Aug 18 '22

The republicans would Lose if elections were fair .

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u/Holybartender83 Canada Aug 18 '22

People are right or wrong to them, not actions. If someone who they deem is a “good person” does something, then what they did is good because that person did it. That’s why they constantly vote against things that would benefit them. What? Obama wants to give us free healthcare? Well Obama bad, therefore free healthcare bad! Rabble rabble rabble!

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u/Razakel United Kingdom Aug 18 '22

They do NOT have a solid sense of right/wrong.

Everything the people they like do is right. Everything the people they don't like do is wrong, even if it was their idea in the first place.

See? It's easy.

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u/Green-Enthusiasm-940 Aug 18 '22

Oh, it's solid. It's just very psychotic and incorrect.

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u/DeliciousDookieWater Aug 18 '22

Clarification: They think its OK for Trump to steal classified documents. They will start screeching the moment right-wing media stooges make up something to pin on a Democrat to try in an effort to "BoTh SIdEs" it and distract from the actual problem.

On the whole, the Republican base believes in Trump, and will torture logic to rationalize why that's okay. Don't try and create some moral framework from their behavior, because it will fall apart the moment it becomes convenient for them to abandon whatever the earlier excuse was.

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u/UnitaryWarringtonCat Aug 18 '22

We have all heard the many interviews with trump supporters at rally's. They likely think if he took the documents, he had a darn good reason. If they can somehow convince themselves that he is an honest, godly man, they can convince themselves of anything.

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u/newnemo Vermont Aug 18 '22

they can convince themselves of anything.

They keep buying that bridge in Brooklyn.

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u/lingererrrrr Aug 18 '22

You’re not wrong. My neighbor believes that the FBI went into mar-a-lago to search for dirt that Trump has on them.

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u/Warg247 Aug 18 '22

If you made Venn diagram with birthers etc it would be a circle.

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u/CreativeGPX Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Depending on a person's media sources (which for the average person who doesn't actively seek out the news may be very limited), the whole situation can look very different. Just from what I'm aware of, some of the "facts" that that 30% probably has heard to define their understanding are:

  • This was instigated by the national archives so it's just about mundane stuff a library wants.
  • Obama and other presidents took documents to use in their library too.
  • It only matters if it's classified and Trump declassified them.
  • Trump gave documents when asked in the past and would have given more if needed through legal channels. This raid was unnecessary and therefore intended to embarrass him.
  • This was signed off on by a Democrat AG with a public personal grudge against Trump and Republicans and while they released lists of what was sought and seized, they are blocking release of the affidavit that explains their probable cause because that will reveal this was unwarranted.
  • Because the DoJ/FBI are playing into the Democrat views on Jan 6, Trump and the emphasis on right wing being extremists, that shows they are political actors.

If those are the facts you have, it may be easy to dismiss the whole thing. Also, when you have that many pieces creating your narrative, being exposed to one piece of corrected information isn't enough to invalidate the whole view. This means that it actually takes quite a bit of engagements to disprove each and every one of these things and the average citizen (of any end of the spectrum) does not necessarily put in enough time for that to happen.

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u/secretlyjudging Aug 18 '22

Majority of americans didnt want Trump as POTUS either. BOTH elections. Lost popular vote even when he “wins”

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u/Pillowsmeller18 Aug 18 '22

Majority of americans didnt want Trump as POTUS either. BOTH elections. Lost popular vote even when he “wins”

most of Americans are actually patriotic for wanting the laws to actually work.

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u/FreakyCricket Aug 18 '22

I think Gov Desantis is going to announce he is running for President this afternoon. He is going to strike while the irons hot.

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u/RawrRRitchie Aug 18 '22

Lost popular vote even when he “wins”

People seem to forget bush lost the popular vote too

And caused the start of a20+ year war that killed hundreds of thousands

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u/Leto2AndTheCrew Aug 18 '22

Democrats have lost the popular vote for president one time in the past 30 years.

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u/stuckontriphop Aug 18 '22

Unfortunately I think this is one of the reasons why the GOP supports the big lie. They are outnumbered and they know it. I mean there is even a show on Fox called "Outnumbered".

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u/Leto2AndTheCrew Aug 18 '22

I’m so sick of news articles saying “a majority of Americans…”

Ya, I get it, we have minority rule due to the electoral college and people telling pollsters one thing while voting for something different

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u/Ron497 Aug 18 '22

A disturbing, frustrating, and anger-inducing article on how the minority is turning American upside down.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/state-legislatures-are-torching-democracy

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u/zhaoz Minnesota Aug 18 '22

57 percent of Americans say they disapprove of Trump taking nuclear weapons-related documents to his Mar-a-Lago estate.

In what fucking universe is it only 57. JFC

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u/TangNaU Aug 18 '22

Majority of those people probably have no idea what the implications are and think that any former president is entitled to do so.

They just have no idea how the government is supposed to work.

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u/ManchiBoy Georgia Aug 18 '22

They want to die for the dear leader even if that means a nuclear war. Why do they care? They owned libs and that gave them BDE.

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u/youshutyomouf Aug 18 '22

Being Dead Everywhere

I agree

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u/PaulPro-tee-us Aug 18 '22

Well, there’s a lot of overlap between them and the people who think Jeebus is going to suck them up into the sky instead of leave them to burn on a ruined planet.

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u/ThickerSalmon14 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Only 6% of all scientists in the US are Republicans. You have 1/3 of the US population who focus on 'feelings' rather than 'facts or science'.

Education can fix that, but it will be take generations.

What Democrats need to start doing is pitching their ideas as feelings.

There are studies that show when you describe global warming in terms of science most republicans don't believe it or want to deal with it.

A similar group of republicans when exposed to climate warming in terms of feelings overwhelming wanted it.

Don't say the ice caps will melt and cities will drown. Describe it as, don't you want to go back to a time where you could breathe clean fresh air outside like during your childhood? Wouldn't it be nice to go back to a time where you could play outside all day in the bright sun? You remember when you were a kid and could go outside and splash in puddles because it rained? Well we will bring back those good old times.

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u/tettou13 Aug 18 '22

Which is crazy that's such a hard sell because that also sounds very conservative (looking back on the good old days).

I used to drink from garden hoses, drink the rain, etc as a kid... But now? Eff that. My kids drinking bottled water or purified. And even THEN, I can't be sure.

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u/GoneFishing4Chicks Aug 18 '22

The environment also got massively fucked up by industry chasing profits for the last 50 years.

People forget that in the 70s acid rain was real.

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u/khafra Aug 18 '22

An under-sink reverse osmosis filter is like $150, and at this point I consider it somewhere around the importance of not sprinkling a tiny bit of rat poison in your breakfast.

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u/goferking I voted Aug 18 '22

How sad is it that there are so many people who hate life so much they want to end the world in the hope of that getting to heaven

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u/notawhingymillenial Aug 18 '22

Where is the cross section of people who actually believe that Donnyboy is Jeebus ?

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u/-xstatic- Aug 18 '22

It’s like Jim Jones all over again only worse

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u/thisissteve Aug 18 '22

Wish I could oblige them.

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u/throwaway257907 Aug 18 '22

In the one where Republicans would rather eliminate democracy than live in a world where they are not the majority rule.

In the last 20 years, there have been five presidential elections. Democrats won the popular vote 4 out of 5 times. Yet Republicans won the presidency 3 out of 5 times. Even that one time they won the popular vote, it was GDub who was a wartime president after 9/11.

They know they cannot win long term in a democracy, so they no longer care about democracy. This is why they have been so focused on spreading and believing election fraud conspiracy theories because the alternative is they lose every election.

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u/D3dshotCalamity Aug 18 '22

It doesn't mean 43% approve. I'm guessing "I don't know," "No comment," and "Leave me alone." Are being counted towards the 43%.

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u/JeromesNiece Georgia Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22 Silver

If in the documents that former President Trump took with him to his private residence, there are documents related to nuclear weapons, would you approve or disapprove of his actions?

Strongly approve: 11%

Somewhat approve: 11%

Somewhat disapprove: 12%

Strongly disapprove: 45%

Not sure: 21%

Source, page 109

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u/coffeespeaking Aug 18 '22

Strongly approve: 11%

Makes me wish there were photos of the respondents attached to the polls.

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u/Space4Time Aug 18 '22

Lol at those 21 percent.

Oblivious to not have an opinion here.

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u/Dystrex Aug 18 '22

I've brought this topic up to several people, and all of them have no idea what I'm talking about. Kinda scary.

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u/proudbakunkinman Aug 18 '22

Worse when you bring up important stuff like this and they act like you're some sort of partisan political nutcase for knowing or caring. Knowing about this doesn't mean I'm glued to MSNBC and have Democratic Party and Biden posters all over my walls. A large chunk of people really do tune out political stuff. I somewhat envy them but they are not helping when it comes to the direction of this country. They can easily spend a few minutes to keep up with the most important things, they don't need to get deep into it.

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u/tattedmomma44 Aug 18 '22

Thank you! You don’t have to be obsessed with the news or a cult who worships a president. Just have an inkling of a clue about what’s going on. I had a discussion with a female friend who had no clue Roe vs Wade was overturned. Like, where ya been these last few months?

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u/Xanthius76 Aug 18 '22

I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.

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u/HyDL85 Florida Aug 18 '22

Tell my wife I said "Hello"

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u/cakemuncher Aug 18 '22

Enlightened Centrism moment

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u/KnowTouching Aug 18 '22

If your response to one of the dumbest people in human history stealing nuclear secrets to sell to enemies of the US is “hmmm, I’m not sure!” then it doesn’t really fucking matter what denomination among that 43% you are, does it?

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u/newnemo Vermont Aug 18 '22

In addition to the Mar-a-Lago search poll, Trump isn't going to win the suburbs or Independents at this rate.

Among all survey respondents, 57 percent of Americans say they disapprove of Trump taking nuclear weapons-related documents to his Mar-a-Lago estate. Those who voted for Trump in the 2020 presidential election, however, were split on that question, with 35 percent saying they approved of him potentially taking such documents, and 36 percent saying they didn’t (19 percent were unsure how to feel about it).

The inability of a large segment of Trump voters to acknowledge that such actions could be seen as improper in spite of most voters overall condemning them perhaps explains why his favorability rating was relatively and statistically unchanged compared to a previous Economist/YouGov poll conducted last week.

According to the most recent poll, only 39 percent of voters have a favorable view of Trump, with 54 percent giving him an unfavorable rating. Last week, 40 percent said they viewed Trump favorably, with 56 percent giving him an unfavorable grade.

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u/cromethus Aug 18 '22 To The Stars

I'm sorry, dont these numbers scare the piss out of you?

Only 57% of people find fault with Trump for hoarding nuclear secrets.

What the hell is wrong with this country?

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u/Givemeallthecabbages Aug 18 '22

WWJD? Obviously Jesus would have hoarded nuclear secrets and sold some to the Saudis so that they pay his son $2 billion and so that Russia would finance his next endeavor. Duh

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u/concentrate_better19 Aug 18 '22

These people don't give a single fuck about what Jesus would do.

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u/willowmarie27 Aug 18 '22

Truth. They would follow Trump in happily crucifying Jesus

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u/miloblue12 Aug 18 '22

This. I’m so curious if he were to denounce Jesus…would his followers just blindly go along with him?!

Would be a fun social experiment.

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u/lolsrslywtf Aug 18 '22

If his followers were actually watching him they'd know he continually denounces Jesus.

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u/shandangalang Aug 18 '22

I’m fairly confident that they just wouldn’t believe he said that, or that it was an obvious joke and people are too sensitive nowadays.

The strangest thing is, that weird religious aunt a lot of us have; the one who starts shrieking and hitting you with a shoe or something when you stub your toe and say “Ah Jesus”, might even fall into the latter camp.

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u/concentrate_better19 Aug 18 '22

He is the physical embodiment of all of the seven deadly sins. They wouldn't care.

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u/iHeartHockey31 Aug 18 '22

Obviously. Jesus was jewish & would have supported abortion. These people know nothing about jesus.

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u/ThisIsNotKimJongUn America Aug 18 '22

You're thinking of Supply Side Jesus

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u/HomeBuyerthrowaway89 Aug 18 '22

FYI Jared is Trump's son-in-law, not son. Still disgusting

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u/ftc559 Georgia Aug 18 '22

sad eric noises

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u/TheBigPhilbowski Aug 18 '22

No joke, he respects jared more than his actual sons because jared had done something that trump has dreamed about for decades but has seldom actually done... Had sex with ivanka.

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u/Evil-in-the-Air Iowa Aug 18 '22

It shows that we are not capable of making adult decisions, and that most people probably didn't interpret the words beyond "Trump good" or "Trump bad".

For god's sake, I wouldn't want the actual president of the United States keeping this stuff in a closet on his own property. Much less a simple-minded social media addict who's breached national security as a cool flex before.

There is absolutely no justification. And no, I don't care that the president gets to arbitrarily choose what's classified and what isn't (though he doesn't). There is no reason for it. A police officer has permission to point his gun at people. That doesn't make okay for him to wave it around whenever he feels like it.

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u/SemenSigns Aug 18 '22

I don't care that the president gets to arbitrarily choose what's classified

Neither does the law. None of the statutes require the information to be classified for it to be a crime.

Code Cited Heading
18USC 793 Gathering, transmitting, or losing defense information
18USC 1519 Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records
18USC 2071 Concealment, removal or mutilation generally

There are also exceptions to what the president can declassify.

Nuclear Information is controlled by the Atomic Energy Act, and that requires official steps to declassify things which the President can't take on his own.

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u/cranium_svc-casual Aug 18 '22

Adult is played up. Humans at all ages are stupid.

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u/BigTentBiden Kentucky Aug 18 '22

I'm sorry, dont these numbers scare the piss out of you?

It should. It really should.

But I've long come to expect the absolute worst out of Republicans. This point, I'd probably be more worried if they actually were reasonable.

He could murder a three year old child on live television and his numbers wouldn't budge and I'm just "Yup. Sounds about right"

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u/FloyldtheBarbie Aug 18 '22

At this rate, I’m certain he will murder someone on Fifth Avenue on Television, just to prove he was right.

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u/robywar Aug 18 '22

In a fucking golf club that's had to call 911 scores of times since he's been back for break-ins and thefts and that we just spent half a million in tax dollars to harden the security of.

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u/frozen_chicken_1984 Aug 18 '22

Those weren't breakins they were sales they covered up with theft

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u/Wizelf402 Aug 18 '22

This is a survey. A lot of people aren't keeping track of the news, and people who feel strongly about it are more likely to answer. Surveys are usually skewed towards extremism, so I wouldn't worry too much

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u/cromethus Aug 18 '22

I agree totally. Surveys like this are absolutely skewed towards the ends.

But any segment of the population being comfortable with our nation's nuclear secrets being unsecured gives me the skeeves.

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u/_doppler_ganger_ Aug 18 '22

They do watch/listen to "The News" but it'll only ever be GOP propaganda like Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, and a slew of talk radio. They've created an alternate reality to live in where every Republican failing can be explained away as soon as the GOP talking points drop. It's always interesting to watch the few hours after a large story breaks and Republican masses appear confused before the propaganda wheels start to turn.

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u/lethargy86 Wisconsin Aug 18 '22

The favorability rating is still around 40%. That’s nuts

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u/letusnottalkfalsely Aug 18 '22

Piss poor education, massive wealth gap

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u/T1mac America Aug 18 '22 Narwhal Salute

In an additional poll, 62% of voters polled said they disapprove of Trump shitting in their mouth, while 32% said they approve, and 6% didn't know.

Of Trump voters, 58% said they approve of Trump shitting in their mouths, but 12% disapprove and 30% said only if he ate corn before doing so.

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u/CILISI_SMITH Aug 18 '22

Of Trump voters, 58% said they approve of Trump shitting in their mouths

Increasing to 77% when they were told it would "Own the libs".

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u/BABarracus Aug 18 '22

6% Probably had covid and couldn't smell or taster anything

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u/cuhree0h California Aug 18 '22

Some of them cited the mouth shit as being their primary reason for voting Chump.

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u/Key_Store3027 Aug 18 '22

Wow his supporters really are morons. It terrifies me to so many still support him even though he took the documents. How can they possible support him doing that???

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u/mysteryteam US Virgin Islands Aug 18 '22

Because they don't think their team would do that, and if they did it's only because the democrats are somehow worse.

All that Katie Johnson stuff where he allegedly raped a 13 year old girl could all very well be true, but Bill Clinton had his picture taken with Epstein, so look out for a pizza parlor with trump models, er, obama models in the basement.

(I'm just wondering when Republicans will say trump was a secret democrat all along in the deep state. I heard he tried to have Mike Pence lynched!)

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u/OldSunDog1 Aug 18 '22

This is trump's 5 avenue moment. He shot national security and didn't lose a single voter.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey Aug 18 '22

I know one guy who constantly posts hot takes on Facebook, the guy went from being fairly moderate to full GQP bootlicker. He's saying that it's all a hit job, the FBI is being used as a weapon, they better have actually found something good otherwise Democrats are in trouble, blah blah blah.

I can't wait for them to say what they found.

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u/OldSunDog1 Aug 18 '22

They allegedly found national security info stamped TS/SCI.

I formerly held an SCI clearance. My clearance ended when I left government service. Everyone clearance ends then.

If Trump is not above the law, he is fucked.

If he is not fucked, then he is above the law.

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u/mishap1 I voted Aug 18 '22

The 36% of Trump voters not agreeing with him taking it means something. If 1/3 of them refuse to vote for him again, then that’s another 10M voters he doesn’t have. Don’t know if it’s that high but any % will reduce his viability as a candidate in the future.

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u/02K30C1 Aug 18 '22

Oh they’ll still vote for him. They just won’t like it quite as much as last time.

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u/icenoid Colorado Aug 18 '22

They will fly one fewer trump flag

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u/Givemeallthecabbages Aug 18 '22

"Rather be Russian than a Democrat" is getting more and more literal by the day. But the fact that this saying has existed for several years is probably partly why some of his base still loves him. After all--so what if he sold nuclear secrets to Putin...they'd rather be Russian than a Democrat!

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u/FunEntertainment428 Aug 18 '22

Why? We've already seen with their opinions on anything from LGBTQ issues to abortion, conservatives have a problem with basic morality. They do NOT have a solid sense of right/wrong.

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u/embiggenedmind Aug 18 '22

“But Hunter Biden’s laptop!”

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u/mishap1 I voted Aug 18 '22

Do you think he's gained voters in last year and a half and do you think this helps him grow that audience? It pisses off his die hard followers but they were in his camp regardless. That's not enough to win in '24. It's enough to cause havoc if full Y'all Qaeda.

Not slowing down on my support of opposition to his white nationalist agenda but the fracturing gives me the slightest bit of hope we can break apart his coalition of the vile.

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u/Adama0001 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

And after a few more weeks of right wing media telling them why it’s good they’ll be happy he did it.

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u/Ghost-of-Bill-Cosby Aug 18 '22

Just because they don’t like this doesn’t mean they can overlook… Hillary’s EMAILS.

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u/Missworld_12308 Aug 18 '22

HRC is no longer the face of the Democratic Party.

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u/BigTentBiden Kentucky Aug 18 '22

Not like Republicans care.

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u/goblueM Aug 18 '22

Nothing he does will lose their support. If they still supported him after EVERY horrible thing he's ever done, adding another one to the pile isn't going to change anything

That's how cult of personalities work

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u/ChangeMyDespair Aug 18 '22

Here's hoping you're wrong. I know, I'm an eternal optimist.

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u/Missworld_12308 Aug 18 '22

He might’ve not lost a vote, he will never gain any new ones either.

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u/shudnap Aug 18 '22

This is nothing new, 36% who don’t are the same voters who think the election is stolen. The same 36% are the die hard GQP base.

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u/YoureADudeThisIsAMan Aug 18 '22

I’m sorry but what the fuck. 35% approve of him taking nuclear docs?!

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u/SkinnyBill93 New Jersey Aug 18 '22

35% is Trump's bedrock base. That includes the 25% of people who naturally support authoritarian leaders and dummies and bigots make up the other 10%.

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u/dynamic_anisotropy Aug 18 '22

The US had a 4 decade long arms race over protecting nuclear secrets and this unapologetic scum bag just gets a free pass?

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u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins Aug 18 '22

19% haven’t been told what to think yet

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u/lethargy86 Wisconsin Aug 18 '22

How is it still around 40%

How.

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u/BazilBroketail Aug 18 '22

57 percent? That's... fuckin' scary.

Like... what? How is it not like 90%?

The fuck you think he gonna do with them?!!? Sell them to the highest bidder, that's what.

Just, jeepers...

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u/NotTheRocketman Aug 18 '22

I blame the media for a lot of this TBH.

The thing with nuclear secrets is that Trump LITERALLY CANNOT have them, cannot declassify them; President or not, it is absolutely prohibited by the Atomic Energy Act. It doesn't matter how old they are, there are NO EXCEPTIONS.

I wish the media had been more clear about that. Perhaps we'll see, as they start to determine exactly WHAT he had.

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u/90daylimitedwarranty Aug 18 '22

35% say it's okay for this nutjob to take home nuclear secrets.

We live in the goddamned Twilight Zone.

It's surreal, these times.

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u/TintedApostle Aug 18 '22

Not that it isn't a good thing they approve, but honestly the law is the law. It isn't a popularity contest.

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Aug 18 '22

The first thing I thought of reading that headline.

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u/xSARGEx117x Aug 18 '22

I completely agree. Law is law, and nobody should be above it.

The issue lies with the fact that many people believe he never broke the law in the first place. They are straight up denying reality. Making all kinds of excuses as to why it wasn't illegal. From a "it's not illegal because he's the president" (some think he still is) to a Michael Scott-esque "I. DECLARE. DECLASSIFIED." scenario in the seconds before he left office.

Which is of course ridiculous, but here we are. Some people think the earth is flat.

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u/Evil-in-the-Air Iowa Aug 18 '22

We are so desperate for an aristocracy.

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u/TintedApostle Aug 18 '22

The rich want their aristocracy back. The lost to republics when the US and French revolutions hit. The French revolution gave rise to the "conservatives" which were the deposed aristocracy creating a political party to recapture their powers. The goal has always been to ruin republics and install themselves back.

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u/Evil-in-the-Air Iowa Aug 18 '22

More troubling to me are the working people who seem eager to return to serfdom. The temporarily embarrassed liege lords.

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u/GR8dantini Aug 18 '22

It’s just so crazy. We’ve essentially had aristocracy in America since the Kennedy clan. It’s only gotten worse since then. There is aristocracy in Hollywood. There is aristocracy in finance. And most obvious is politics. Fathers and sons being president. Husbands and wives (even if she was the most qualified candidate in history) running for president. Children of politicians taking their parents (fathers) jobs.

Trump wanted to be king. And he was very close. And he’s such a toddler that he attacked his own people when they wouldn’t take him to the capitol on J6.

And his subjects were all willing for this to happen. I know what they think will happen, and they’ll all get to be above serfs. I can’t figure out why they think that though. There is no evidence that they will be anything more than serfs themselves. The people they vote for laugh at them. And then ask for three dollars. And then laugh again when they donate. It’s one big club, and we ain’t in it.

When I was little, America was all about everybody having the same opportunity. It was half a lie in the seventies. It became full on bullshit when Reagan got elected. That dream is deader then disco cause the republicans killed, it and the dems let it happen.

Regardless, vote. And vote blue. Everyone. Before it is an actual monarchy.

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u/iStayedAtaHolidayInn Aug 18 '22

Seriously, it’s like polling people on whether gravity is real or not

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u/WidespreadPaneth New Jersey Aug 18 '22

30% of Americans disagree with gravity, 15% weren't sure about it.

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u/WingedGundark Europe Aug 18 '22

15% weren’t sure about it.

Aren’t they just the centrists?

/s just in case.

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u/byingling Aug 18 '22

Fiercely independent. Mavericks. Enlightened people smarter than the sheep from both sides, that sort of stuff. /also

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u/Life-Virus2205 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Not a popularity contest? Have you been asleep since 2016 and just woke up now? Everything nowadays is a popularity contest

The loudest mouths always win

Freedom of speech backfired

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u/Grays42 Texas Aug 18 '22

Well in this country, 36% of the country controls 50% of the Senate, because in these parts we love FREEDOM, mister, and don't you forget it!

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u/Typical-Ad-6042 Aug 18 '22

My local voter turnout rate was 27% last year.

36% is a potentially devastating amount of people when met with the general public’s apathy.

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u/renaissance_pancakes Aug 18 '22

Not in the 2020 election

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u/comfortablybum Aug 18 '22

But he has been breaking laws with no consequence his entire term. Only now that he is no longer president is he seeing any consequences.

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u/TintedApostle Aug 18 '22

He was impeached 2 times and both times he was protected by the Republicans. They can't protect him now.

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u/kramsy North Carolina Aug 18 '22

Unfortunately the majority doesn’t matter when our country is gerrymandered to shit, the electoral college exists and the senate gives unequal power to red states.

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u/jeffinRTP Aug 18 '22

I'm just wondering what the 30-something percent of the people that have no trouble with Trump having the documents I think he's going to do with them?

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u/BellEpoch Aug 18 '22

As long as it involves sticking it to the libs they really don't care, do you?

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u/dixie12oz Aug 18 '22

It’s scary to see scandal after scandal his support doesn’t change. From the outside looking in, it’s plain to see it’s a cult. There is truly nothing that will ever change their minds.

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u/Temporary_Leading_46 Aug 18 '22

To be fair, we are now seeing a slow drift away from Trump; e.g. noticeable shift in news (principally FOX) coverage & the likes of Laura Ingraham and Alex Jones are sending out stronger signals.

Conservative resistance to Trump is not where it should be (understatement of the decade), and it might not be permanent; but these must surely be the kinds of baby steps to look for when millions of Americans exist within a faltering personality cult.

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u/def_of-insanity Aug 18 '22

Cheney losing her primary is going to throw a serious monkey wrench into anti-Trump conservatism. I don't shed any tears for her, but Republicans are going to be even more scared to go against the cult.

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u/whatsgoodforme Aug 18 '22

The folks who “don’t approve” are simply naysayers. I’ll give you a history lesson. When Nixon resigned he had a 30% approval rating. Some people will NEVER admit their guy is wrong or worse. Don’t believe me? Ask Hitler.

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u/madcaesar Aug 18 '22

MOST of America is progressive. MOST of America want to live in peace and health. MOST of America believe in science.

The problem is that bumfuck states like Wyoming have as many senators as California.

Most of the shit in the news dividing us would be no issues without the idiotic senate setup.

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u/Tom_A_toeLover Aug 18 '22

Abolish the electoral college

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u/newnemo Vermont Aug 18 '22

I agree. Rank Choice Voting or similar is what most people think is reasonable. I would clean up the election process considerably.

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u/brianjlogan Aug 18 '22

Please if RCV could pass so I wouldn't have to settle on the "most likely" candidate to win which ends up being the lesser of two evils.

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u/richobrien1972 Aug 18 '22

They should. He’s a dangerous traitor with a massive grudge.

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u/cyanydeez Aug 18 '22

If only what mattered at mid terms is the majority of americans.

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u/moviekid214 Illinois Aug 18 '22

Nice to hear a majority of Americans aren’t mouth breathing fucking morons

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u/DeeNYC45 Aug 18 '22

Because the “silent majority” is actually just a very loud minority

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u/01001011x3 Aug 18 '22

The only people that would be against this are traitors to the US.

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u/rittenalready Aug 18 '22

I mean for a man whose notorious for not wanting to read, why did he take all those documents?

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u/bigjohntucker Aug 18 '22

Polls don’t matter, approvals don’t matter because the law is not subjective.

If a crime was committed: investigate, indict, prosecute, sentence.

Whether it’s Hilary or Donald, the law applies. As soon as it doesn’t, we will be truly corrupt & no better that Saudi or Russia.

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u/8Deer-JaguarClaw New Jersey Aug 18 '22

Whether it’s Hilary or Donald, the law applies.

Amen. If somebody has proof of a crime, they bring it to a court of law and get a conviction. Doesn't matter who it is. All that matters is what you can prove in court.

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u/bobbywac Aug 18 '22

If only a majority actually mattered in this country

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u/shadow1515 Aug 18 '22

"Majority of people who live in a society believe laws should exist."

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u/harishsr Aug 18 '22

For this, polls don’t matter. We should just want the FBI and Justice Department to do their jobs properly.

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u/Brilliant_Brain_5507 Aug 18 '22

No shit. This is also why gerrymandering, and voting rights being restricted, and the electoral college, and the filibuster are such conservative supported things. Because most people disagree with their policies and they’d never win an election or pass policies without those handicaps and cheats.

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u/Crash665 Georgia Aug 18 '22

The majority of us believe in a woman's right to control her own body, yet here the hell we are.

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u/bigfoot_county Aug 18 '22

Yup, it’s the same 65-35 split on literally every political issue.

Amazing how in this “democracy”, the 35% seem to make all the important decisions

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u/Cptncavm1 Aug 18 '22

I certainly do! Trump is nothing but a lying criminal and has to pay for what he has done!

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u/thesurfingpirate Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

NEWS FLASH: Donald Trump never won the popular vote in two elections with incredibly low voter turn out. The mass majority of people in the US are not conservative. Gerrymandering is the only reason why Republicans still get voted into office or because they live in Wyoming

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u/MattieShoes Aug 18 '22

in two elections with incredibly low voter turn out

In one election with incredibly low voter turnout. He lost a second election with incredibly high voter turnout, mostly because of him.

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u/clunkenmcculkin Aug 18 '22

America is finally snapping out the Trump induce psychosis

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u/TheBlackCat13 Aug 18 '22

The majority of Americans have always been against Trump.

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u/ParticularAnxious929 Aug 18 '22

wait wait wait wait WAIT a minute... you mean to tell me that the majority of American citizens approve of law enforcement seeking a judge to sign a warrant to conduct a legal search for evidence while respecting 4th and 14th amendment constitutional rights? Are you KIDDING ME?!?!?!!???