With the protests going on against police brutality, and with so many people looking for resources about how to behave as an ally or wanting to share tips for protesting, it seemed like there was a need for a thread to share other things that aren't just personal questions about basic social justice topics.
So let's use this post to put up links to community bail funds, informative pages and documents, and information about protests going on in our local areas.
Please be careful and check that donations are going to organizations that you actually support, and check that information in links is correct and legitimate and if you notice problems with any of the info please let me know.
This might just be because of my anxiety, but with the GOP now actively calling for the extermination of trans people, SCOTUS being taken over by the alt-right, and the denouncement of socialism (which I think means they're going to make it illegal), America is on it's way to becoming Nazi Germany. I've almost given up on making the world more socially just, at least doing it peacefully. There is no negotiating with the Republicans, no hope for voting them out, no hope for stopping them..... except for violence.
I know violence isn't the right answer, but it's the only one we've got. After all the problems they have caused, all the women, trans people, LGBT+, children, and racial minorities they have killed. It's time they get what they deserve for causing all the bigotry and systemic violence in the world! I HATE THEM I HATE THEM I HATE THEM!
I'm scared. I don't want it to come to this, and I know that the left isn't about violence, but I'm afraid we have no choice. I fear that the only way to combat the alt-right is with the alt-left. And I don't want the right to ruin everything we've worked so hard for.
Please tell me I'm wrong...... I really hope I'm wrong........
It had to be around a week or a few days ago, but I thought I heard my white coworker say “damn n-s!”, with the hard r. But I’m not sure if they said it, or if I am mishearing it. I think that what I need to do is ask if they said the word. If they confirm that they did, I need to tell them that it is racist to use that word. But I’m scared that if I ask such a question, I’ll seem racist or strange because I heard the word in a context where it shouldn’t have even been thought of.
I think I’ll just find a time when all of the other coworkers are gone and it’s just them and I, then I’ll ask them. I’ll probably say something along the lines of “I probably misheard you, and I think you’re a friendly person, so I don’t think you’re the type of person to say this, but did you say the n-word earlier?” Like I said previously, my coworker is very amiable, so if I misheard it I can just laugh it off and apologize to them for the misunderstanding if it’s a one-on-one conversation.
Is this the right approach to handling the situation? I can’t let someone use such a derogatory term, but I’m doubting my way of handling it.
tw racism, mental health issues, police brutality
hello again. in my last post, which i will link, i asked how best to deal with a situation involving a pro police flag at school. to update you, i’ve had some other issues going on over the last few weeks, so i selfishly put off replying because i knew it would make my anxiety worse, however, i am preparing my email response asking to continue the conversation strictly over email. i plan to send this tonight or tomorrow, but something else came up. as i was looking at the event schedule for the week, i noticed my PWI run by mostly white people (there are a few Black people in the administration) are hosting a police speaker on “modern-day policing: realities vs. perceptions.” especially with the recent police murder, this seems insensitive and irresponsible. what should i do about this? should i add it to my email?
TW: (censored) slur
An acquaintance at school said something a lot of people would see as a racial slur, "knckl drggr", for lack of better euphemism, and when I questioned them on it, they said they read that it only referred to someone ("of any race", they said) who was unintelligent or conservative.
They're about 19 if I remember correctly, and should know better, but I'm not sure what to do because that is the definition you see on the front page if Google when you search for it.
They take care not to use other slurs and are pretty anti-racist otherwise from what I've seen. I don't think anyone else heard them say it, but they seemed extremely embarrassed (from the expression they made, at least).
Maybe I'm assuming it's something that It's not, because they were calling another white person that, but it still sounds very wrong. Any thoughts or advice?
How can I help protest for police reform? There's no one in my town protesting and our all white protest group doesn't feel right about organizing anything
I'm the most uninformed person in the group by far and I want to know how else I can support or push for change. I want to give voices to the poc in our community but there are none in our group yet
So a relative is saying to me that "you shouldn't support open boarders because then we would have more black people than white people in our country and that that this will happen or would have higher chances of happening thus higher chances of black people taking power in government and voting policies that are racist against white people as a sort of revenge against the previous opression of black people by white people " the counterarguments I have heard online are that this is paranoia and the statistics say its unlikely, but the statistics don't take about open boarders tho right? so if we had open boarders will there really be a big chance of a racial mixup, and is there a danger that black people might want revenge against white people if that happens, so how do I argue against this, how do I argue that this won't happen and that even if it will black people are gonna be nice to white people and won't do revenge? I am not racist I swear.
i'm white, and i'm wondering if it would be insensitive for me to use an arabic name. i've had many arabs tell me that they don't care if non arabs use arabic names, but i'm confused because it was my understanding that arab culture is closed. i don't want to appropriate a closed culture that isn't mine.
tw white fragility, mental health
i want to start off by saying that i understand that the pain i feel cannot be compared to the pain of experiencing racism and oppression. here’s my question— is it okay for me, a white person, to avoid books or other content that i perceive as very confrontational because of how they affect my mental health? for context (not as an excuse) i have some severe mental health issues. i understand discomfort is important in antiracist work, but it really sends me spiraling. for example, i’m reading a book (White Women: What you already know about your own racism and how to do better) right now that is very confrontational and i feel extremely uncomfortable reading it— almost to the point of panic attacks. i definitely understand why BI&PoC would be upset with white people and why they would write in a confrontational style, and i don’t believe that they should have to censor themselves in any way and i don’t think all BI&PoC have to be “nice” to me. however, my brain twists their words to use it to hate myself and cause mental distress. i also know that BI&PoC with similar issues don’t have the opportunity to walk away or take a break. i want to be clear that i can withstand some discomfort— for example i believe all white people are racist, including myself, and regularly try to be aware of how i exist as a white person and any harm i may be causing. i also understand tone policing, and i would never use it against a BI&PoC in conversation, etc., but does filtering the content I consume count? is this white fragility or taking care of myself? i’m sorry if this comes off as rambling or incoherent.
I'm wondering if someone could tell me more about the rationale behind this. I've been seeing many events come up which state they are only for those who identify as Black. I don't have an issue with it, but I also don't understand the utility or purpose of this, especially as it is perceived as reinforcing segregation. Would love to hear peoples comments about this.
Edit: Thank you for the contributions. While I hoped to engage more in this conversation, it mostly took off while I wasn't online. Based on the responses, I think I will try rephrasing the question more specifically as I think it went off the rails a bit and into territory that was less helpful. Even so, I appreciate those who gave thoughtful responses.
Social Justice and Self-Righteousness: Do you consider yourself a hero? Or, conversely, do you see our opponents as evil?
This may be a product of growing up on the right before becoming a leftist, but I tend to approach social justice from the idea that anyone who opposes it is just plain evil/fascist/nazi/whatever. I guess it's because I'm scared of being on the "wrong side of history," so I try to find/enforce "what is objectively right/wrong (social justice)." This has led me to be a bit.... hostile to conservatives. Those who support the current capitalist society are "rotten, guilty," and "traitors to humanity." Nobody complacent in the current system has any right to call themselves a good person (myself included, unless I destroy said system), and those on the political right are unforgivably horrible people, worse than Adolf Hitler. I just end up looking for problematic beliefs in people, berate them, and expect everyone else to take my side because I'm a leftist and therefore I'm "the good guy." If they don't relent, I then just focus on attacking them. An example would be when I got into an argument with a female pro-life family member who, after she said she doesn't support abortion, I called her a "misogynistic traitor who deserves to be raped." That's not even getting to another person who took her side, where I told them, "we need abortion so we have less people like you!" Everyone left angry that day, and a part of me thought I was being harsh, but I thought, "I'm just standing up for marginalized groups/social justice/all that, so it's impossible for me to be the bad guy! It's their own fault for not agreeing with me in the first place, especially since my beliefs are objectively true. I'm sure a true leftist in my position would do exactly the same thing. Right?"
Edit: Sorry if this seems like a troll post, but I legitimately don't know what I'm doing or how to properly advocate. It's times like these where I feel like I'm not really one of you.
From observation, there are a number of takes on diversity and inclusion within the social justice community and how it should be handled. One of them being going the multicultural route.
Multiculturalism - an internationalist ideology that seeks to create the complete co-habitation of every culture within every area of life.
What is the social justice take on multiculturalism, and are there any alternatives in case it doesn’t pan out.
EDIT: Multiculturalism - the presence of, or support for the presence of, several distinct cultural or ethnic groups within a society.
hi! i feel like i’m back here every day with a new question lol. todays question is about healing for white people. i’ve been reading about how it’s necessary and such but i’m having trouble understanding what it is. is it learning about white supremacy culture? is it coming to terms with how whiteness affects my life? is it dismantling my own racism and biases? what is white generational trauma? thank you so much!
when we are hired to fill a quota, our experiences are not taken seriously.
they are all about inclusion but when you need an accommodation they make you feel less than human.
mental illness is another quota. they hire you to fill it, treat you less than and make you quit. they make you feel as if your mental illness won.
companies will preach safe work environment and inclusions then don't. why do you think we quiet quit and shoot up store? why some steal, some take drugs.
i know companies has to fill a quota.
i am in this quota and i am experiencing this right now. i spoke up but i know many can not.
go to HR? that's just self sabotage.
anyone else feel this? does the press know?
hi! i was scrolling through the front page of reddit and saw this video. i did some more research on the topic, and it seems her criticism is of whiteness as a system and not white people. am i understanding this correctly?
Idk if this is the right place to ask, just not sure where else. I figured that this is a good place to ask because I know people who are into social justice, also talk about the importance of getting out of, and preventing toxic and/or abusive relationships.
Here's a link to the lyrics of the song and the song itself: https://youtu.be/byfiQA8HRaE
The gist of the song is its about a woman who was in a relationship, the guy got the mental health care he needed, and now he's in a new relationship, and she is extremely upset over that.
However, imo, it's often suggested that if your behavior is causing you to behave in a toxic way, you should avoid developing romantic relationships, and even break off any relationship until you get mental health help and learn better coping mechanisms and fully address and correct toxic behaviors.
Now in the beginning of the song, she says that she found the therapist for him. But that doesn't entitle her to a rekindled relationship after his toxic behavior is corrected.
What bothers me, though. Is the character in this song isn't supposed to be toxic. She's supposed to be the normal one and the guy in the song is the toxic one. However, in the video she destroys his bedroom and catches fire to his belongings. So it normalizes abusive behavior.
To me, it sounds like both of them were toxic, but he got mental health help as he should, but she doesn't recognize her own downfalls, such as unhealthy attachment.
I know in the song, that it only took two weeks from them breaking up to him to move on to another relationship. And I get that part can be really hurtful. Seeing someone you love move on so quickly. But as we tell men; no one owes you anything. I'm not sure why we just tell men that. When everyone needs to hear that regardless of gender.
But yeah. To me, it sounds like she is mad at her ex for getting mental health help and she's not in the relationship with the new and improved version of her ex. And that she was hoping for him to get his shit together for her. But he didn't. He got his shit together for himself like he should. Then he just so happened to find another woman to get in a relationship with. But he's not the bad guy for that. She's the bad person for not moving on herself and finding another partner.
I get that it could be a fictional story for a song. But, the fact that it's written as the man in the story is bad for finding another partner after working on his mental health, that is very problematic. Especially it normalizing clingyness and the inability to move on from a toxic relationship.
No one should ever be made to feel bad getting the mental health care that they need, even if that includes not rekindling a failed relationship. If the story was true, I'm pretty sure his therapist, rightfully told him, not to get back into a relationship that was toxic. Even if the toxicity was on his end alone.
They even say that if you were the abuser or the primary toxic person in a relationship, that it's much easier for you to apply new healthy behavior patterns in a new relationship, than it is to apply it in an old relationship. And that a person is more likely to relapse back to old toxic behaviors with their previous partner that they were abusive or toxic towards. And that any relationship that you were the abuser or primary toxic person, you should break it off or stay broken up, even if the other person does want to rekindle things as it's much easier to move on and be a better person with someone else than it is to change your behavior with a relationship that has been established as toxic or abusive.
What is everyone's thoughts on this? Am I missing a narrative or the overall story being told in this song? Or is it problematic?
Hypothetically would it be racist if their were very advanced tech that could change someone's appearance to another race and would it solve racism?
I'm talking about say, implants that would control the level of melanin to change skin tone or hair/eye color, or genetic modification. You could even put in things to more radically change gender presentation than what is available now.
Also say crazy skin colors/eye colors like purple, or let people grow fur/fangs/tails like animals.
Would it be morally wrong for people to do this if everyone had access to the tech.
Like say tomorrow I want to look like a red head with freckles, but next week I want to be black, and the next week after that I want to look like one of those aliens from Avatar. And it could all be done at the touch of a button.
tw blue lives matter, anxiety, police brutality and murder
hi. i feel weird posting this after yet another Black man was murdered by police, but i don’t think pushing this off any longer is the right thing to do either. at the college i go to, there’s a display case with information on joining various government departments like the fbi, etc. all of this is bad, but the worst part is the blue lives matter shirt included in the display. last fall, i emailed the dean about it, giving him some information about why i believe it should be taken down. in response, he told me he’d like to meet in person. i know it’s selfish, but i’ve been putting off meeting him— i have bad anxiety and do not do well with confrontation. i don’t think i would even be able to make my point well if we met in person— i tend to freeze up. i know my issues are small in comparison to Black people dying. if i’m being honest, id like to tell him that i want to continue the conversation over email, but would that be putting my comfort as a white person ahead of a serious issue? and if not, what’s the best way to say that i want to stick to emails with him.
to clarify i'm not Black but i'm just asking so i can have a clearer understanding, ik that Black people can use the n word to reclaim it, and anyone else can't because racism, but what about mixed people? i don't mean that one white kid with 3% Black in him and uses that as an excuse to be racist, like what about if you're half Black? would it depend on how much of it you LOOK like? or like what if you're 75%, but the 25% that's not Black is the part that shows up in you the most (so you don't look as Black as you are)? thank you
I don’t know if this is the right place, but I couldn’t find any better communities to ask this in. Basically, I have a tattoo of gears with a compass in them. My dad had gears tattooed as well. He was, as I’ve recently learned, not the best man, and especially not politically. I would describe him as right of centre. He had his gears because he was a millwright, and I got mine in honour of him when he passed about three years ago. I was researching hate symbols and stumbled upon the hammerskins symbol: a picture of two hammers crossed over a gear. Now I’m scared that my own tattoo might be offensive or, at the least, make people think of white supremacy when they see it. Once again, sorry if this isn’t the right place.
Hello there. I checked for duplicates before posting this, but while there was a lot of information about cultural appropriation, there was less about representation, and specifically the intersection of the two.
I'd like to share a quote with you from a person belonging to a minority group (not going to specify which because I don't want to dox them):
However, writing a main character in any media who is [an identity term], if you are not [an identity term] (and especially if you are not [a broader, more general identity category] at all) is ultimately appropriating and profiting off of representing an experience that is not yours. An experience you will never understand.
I feel there are a few pertinent things here but I'd like to see where I'm going wrong with this from a social justice perspective:
- Representation in media is important
- Bad representation (through ignorant, incorrect and harmful stereotyping) in media is harmful
- Representation when done by someone not of that group is appropriation
It's point number 3 that gets me. The logical conclusion of this is that the only main characters writers should write is from their own demographic and that's it (in order to not culturally appropriate and profit from other people's experiences unfairly), but that seems untenable.
As per point number 2: bad representation is really bad. But if a writer has empathy, respect, and consults with members of said community to ensure the representation is not 'bad representation', is it still culturally appropriating?
Given that minorities (or whatever type) are, well, as the word says 'minorities', it means there will be a dearth of representation for said minorities in lead roles if the only people able to write for them are members of that community.
But given how prevalent cultural appropriation is (and how many people actively deny that it's a real thing), I could easily be blinded by my own background.
So my main question is: is Point 3 (above) correct as a rule from a social justice point of view?
I need to be really careful how I explain this.
The book Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck was removed by AQA from the curriculum, and had been banned by numerous schools who would try to use it in years 7, 8, 9 because it is riddled with racism. My child is in a class with a lovely student who was born and raised in Nigeria and moved here in the middle of year 7. They are now in year 8. He is apparently very quiet and struggles with English. Year 8 havr been given OMAM as the class reader which they read during a fortnightly special literacy sessions (they call them drop everything and read) the teacher, played the distributed audio book to the class. This apparently is sent centrally and not the teachers responsibility. within the first 2 minutes of the audio book, the awful racial slur beginning with N is said in very fast succession, around 7-8 times (as is in the book). Please remember these students are 12. The boy I mentioned earlier burst into tears, clearly distressed by the language. Rightfully, the teacher turned the audio book off, got the class to do some personal reading and took the student outside.
I was quietly confident that after the boy being so upset,m the school would see the error and the book would be changed to something else for the year group reader. Today we have found out that they will be continuing to read the book and that if teachers wish to say the word whilst reading it aloud they may. The school is in a 99% white area in and I feel heartbroken for the boy. From talking to the other parents, one in particular who is friends with a member of staff, it seems the school sees no problem with a book previously used for 15 and 16 year old, now being read to 12 year olds, but also the excuse of saying, it's in a story so teachers can say the word - the kids follow along in the book, so they can read it, the teacher who is white going back every known generation doesn't need to say it.
But most importantly, how the school cannot seem to view the young boy, who it clearly triggered, as not being reason enough to show that it shouldn't be used is not sitting comfortably with me. These are clearly a group of students who are vulnerable and arguably, because of their age, aren't mature enough to handle such concepts as the book presents such as the history surrounding that word. I feel angered that the clear internalised racism which has flowed through the school, is allowing them to continue the cycle.
I dont know what to do. I feel like I want to do something to help, but what? The school isn't listening to one voice (the boys dad rang up and has been informed that the boy can sit outside the room as they read it, and read it himself - awful).
The school is known for sweeping things under the rug, and when I rang to express my worries as said above, was told that most parents are okay with this as they sent a letter out stating the book they were reading this year to very few complaints.
When mentioned to my child's teacher earlier, the response was that the assistant headteacher has said they will be continuing with the book and it is the discretion of the teacher about whether they say the word, so even if the teachers are reading it rather than using rhe audiobook, they can say it.
Even if I found a couple more parents to ring in, the school wouldn't budge on this as a coupleof parents making a call out of the 1400 student population means nothing. I don't know how to make them listen.
I have obviously spoken to my child about this in depth, and shockingly she said her friends had never even heard the word before they began this book and didnt think it was so bad when the teacher was saying it as part of the story.
So aside from me creating a bunch of fake emails addresses and lodging complaints as different people until there's enough that they must listen. Or wishing that the assistant headteacher who organised this would spend a moment in that boys shoes , what advice has anyone got? How can I help, or is this just flogging a dead horse and should be left.
Thanks in advance.
I’m writing this for two reasons. (1) I’m bored and in the middle of writing an essay on the memory of slavery in Modern Britain, (2) I've been browsing Reddit, and people are upsetting me with their inability to reflect.
So, one of the main points of my essay is how Britain’s Abolitionist movement is often vastly overstated by the government and in popular media and used as a Red Herring to avoid examination of Britain’s role in the Slave Trade, essentially isolating it as a unique and unimportant ‘phase’.
Now I'm curious, what are other contemporary Red Herrings used to avoid reflecting on the past and ultimately validating the injustices of the present?
P.S.: Also, I'm looking for more subreddits where I can develop my understanding of like society and good progressive, inclusive ideas, so if you got any of those, I’ll take them too.
I'm a poor white person and struggling right now and have been going back and forth from staying in hotels to sleeping in my car.
Most of the affordable hotels are ran by Indian people. Not native Americans, but actual Indians. And, in my experience, they are the most capitalistic pigs that I've met, even more than white people.
In my experience, white owned hotels tend to be more hospitable and understanding. All the Indian owners tend to be cold hearted.
As a progressive, I hate to chalk it up to Indians being cold hearted by race. And it'd also be considered racist of me to say their culture is cold hearted. But ive had so many bad experiences of Indians being cold hearted towards my struggle.
No, I'm not asking for a free night or hand outs. Let me explain some of the things that happened with Indian owners of hotels that is starting to make me have racist thoughts.
I am not using this as a soap box. I'll get back into asking how to keep myself from being racist. I promise that this is what I'm posting about. I come in good faith.
Anyway, this is what happened to me today alone that actually made me think to post this, as I realized that I'm starting to dislike Indian Americans as a whole, and don't want to go down. The rabbit hole of being racist.
Last night, I had checked into a hotel that was owned by Indians. They first said they don't rent to people who live within the same city or around the same city. I asked them nicely if there was any way I could maybe pay a deposit as I really need a place to stay, and there's not another hotel for another 20 minutes away.
He then accepted my deposit offer, but was very rude to me and making assumptions for no reason. After checking me in he said "We don't want any problems. We have a police officer that drives around and checks, so do not cause any problems."
I did not have any ill intentions at all. I wasn't trying to sell drugs, or even buy any drugs. I did buy some weed that night but I drove to my dealer. And I didn't smoke any weed in the room. I also had not smoked any weed, or done any drugs at all that day for that matter, so I know I wasn't reaking of weed or alcohol.
Then this morning, I had accidentally overslept past check in. I work online as a web developer / systems admin, and I get most of my assignments at night since two of my clients are in Australia. No excuse, checkout is at 11.
A female Indian, I guess the wife of the owner, knocked on my door and asked me if I was checking out or renewing. I said I'm packing now, and I apologized prefusly. And asked if I could have 15 minutes tops to pack. She then said "it's almost 12. I'll give you 5 minutes before I call the police."
That didn't give me enough time, and so I ended up having to leave some things in my room in fear of going to jail.
As I was packing the car, this other Indian worker kept driving his car around and around staring at me with an angry look. I was already out of the room and was just loading the car. I felt like I was treated like a criminal the entire time. Even though all I did there was work online and sleep. I stayed in my room the entire time, except to load and unload the car. Oh, and also pick up weed. But that was after I checked in and I did it off the property. There was no way they knew of my weed as I kept it in the trunk after I picked it up.
That was just one incident. There's been others similar where the hotel owners who happened to be Indian showed absolutely no compassion.
This other time, I had checked in a night at the hotel. It was Indian owned but they had a white worker. I was checking in, and I asked if they had tap to pay. The white worker said no. I had explained to her how i misplaced my debit card, and had a virtual card issued by my bank added to my google pay. She made an exception, and typed my card in.
The next day, the Indian owners were there. It was almost time for checkout. I had gone down to renew, and they out their foot down that I had to have cash or a physical card. Or I had to leave. Well, I can't get cash out with tap to pay. So I had to leave.
The Indian owners gave me no chance to pack. They said I had to be out by 11 or else they'd call the police. Even though they were the ones who told me they can't accept the same way of payment as the night before. I wanted to pay! But they wouldn't let me. I then got my card charged an extra $50 for a late checkout I had no contol over. (BTW, I'm not trying to say that white people are the most compassionate. I know that if it was a black worker, Asian worker, or any worker of any other race or ethnicity, they'd be more compassionate. Since I have yet to meet a nice Indian worker.
Okay. I wasn't meaning to go on a rant. Just give some examples. I noticed that white/black/other race owned businesses will listen to your story and make judgements on a case basis. And you're generally shown compassion. But it seems like Indians have no compassion in their hearts at all and only want money.
I always have seen people say "Bad experiences don't make you racist, you just were racist already and are just using the bad experiences to justify the racism."
But I always feel like I try my best to not be racist. I never make generalizations about race, or anything. I would consider myself to be super progressive. And I'm not the type of person that will make generalizations about a race based on bad experiences. I was robbed at gun point by a group of troubled youth that happened to be black. But it did not at all make me racist against black people. I understood it had nothing to do with race, and more with socioeconomic reasons. (not that all poor people are criminals, I'm poor too and don't commit crimes. But I also know that poor white people are just as likely to rob as black people.)
But as a struggling white person who is having problems finding a steady place to live, I deal with a lot of Indians because Indians happen to own a big majority of small cheap hotels in my area.
So I come in good faith with two questions.
Why do you all insist that people who say "these bad experiences / reading these stories made me racist" were racist thr whole time? Imo, we are pattern recognition creatures, and experiencing bad things with someone of a particular race, gender, etc, could make someone pregidust. Not saying it's right. I even know I'm in the wrong to start developing racism against Indians.
Could someone point me in the right direction so I can better understand why Indians come off as greedy and heartless? And evelop compassion towards them?
I'm not saying they ARE greedy and heartless. I am just asking if there's something I'm missing that I'm not thinking enough in to. And if I'm possibly misreading their culture or whatever as greedy and heartless when there's valid reasons why they are more strict when it comes to business policies than other races who have small businesses.