r/technology • u/chrisdh79 • Feb 03 '23

Netflix says strict new password sharing rules were posted in error Business

https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/02/03/netflix-says-strict-new-password-sharing-rules-were-posted-in-error
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u/bytemage Feb 03 '23

Just like Hasbro's OGL?

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u/Stealthgecko Feb 03 '23

I was thinking the exact same thing. “Hey I’ve heard this one before!”

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u/Fernis_ Feb 03 '23

Those overly long, detailed, checked by Legal to be squeaky clean and law binding Terms of Service documents just keep writing themselves. What a silly whoopsie coincidink.

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u/dantevonlocke Feb 04 '23

Chatgpt has just run amuck.

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u/kinglearthrowaway Feb 03 '23

“We rolled a 1 but also this was only a draft!” lol

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u/lean_six_ligma Feb 03 '23

I don't think I've ever rolled my eyes harder at something, than at those condescending statements they put out.

Had similar energy to that "What, you guys don't have phones?" comment at that one Diablo Mobile announcement. Just like, way worse.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Feb 04 '23

D&D and Netflix are two things I’ve given up in 2023 and I’m not going back.

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u/Thor_Odin_Son Feb 04 '23

You might have misunderstood something if you think you need to give up D&D

Just rip off their shit, don’t pay them, everything’s online in some form or another. Never give WotC/Hasbro a cent, but don’t blame the game the game is good 😭

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u/Afro-Ken Feb 04 '23

Same thing with Netflix actually 🏴‍☠️

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Feb 04 '23

Excuse me, I meant to say paying for them. <hoists pirate flag>

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u/yesitdooms Feb 04 '23

Hasbro already fucked themselves over. The new ORC being created by Paizo will set the new standard.

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u/mia_elora Feb 04 '23

Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing ORC in the wild.

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u/gerusz Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23

Also, they retreated by releasing their entire SRD into Creative Commons, and they oopsie'd a few words into it that were previously tied to "product identity" like "beholder" or "yuan-ti". (They don't have statblocks, but you can't copyright a statblock so...)

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u/yesitdooms Feb 04 '23

Too little too late. Paizo consists of the original framers of the D&D OGL. Hasbro has shown that they can and will go back on their word, whereas ORC will theoretically be so well designed that it can't be corrupted. If this remains true through realization, D&D will go the way of WoW and EverQuest.

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u/gerusz Feb 04 '23

But they literally can't go back on their word on this one.

When they announced this, they didn't announce their intention to release the SRD into Creative Commons. They straight-up released it into CC. That's it, once something is in CC it can't be locked down again.

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u/yesitdooms Feb 04 '23

They can build a new proprietary system from scratch, then discard the old OGL. People can still use it, but Wizards doesn't have to support it. Do not trust Hasbro to do anything to our benefit anymore.

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u/gerusz Feb 04 '23

Of course they can, I bet that right now they took a big step backwards and are reworking the 1D&D in order to break the vaunted "backwards compatibility" (but still only change it a little so they could update the 5e sourcebooks and adventures with minimal effort).

But... who gives a fuck?

Third party creators of 5e content are safe. At most they will have to update their books to include the CC-attribution from the SRD 5.1, and that's it. There will be "bootleg" versions of the PHB, DMG, MM, MotM, and the big two Everything-books also released under CC. (And possibly with much better balance than the original books.)

And with the SRD being CC, there's nothing stopping enterprising programmers from making their Beyond-clones.

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u/yesitdooms Feb 04 '23

The reality is that this doesn't matter to Joe Gamemaster and his Sunday group, none of it does. This was an attack on D&D's cottage industry and TRRPG influencers/content creators. What this means for Hasbro is less free press. Sort of like how Hasbro mangled Magic, yet it doesn't influence my weekly EDH group.

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u/gerusz Feb 04 '23

What it could mean to Joe Gamemaster (ah, as if scheduling was as easy as "Sundays"...) is that he can eventually ditch the Beyond subscription and still have the same convenience (once the aforementioned bootleg sourcebooks and Beyond-clones start getting released). Maybe even more.

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u/yesitdooms Feb 04 '23

Well it's like Gygax always said: the secret is that players don't need to buy anything, just pencil, paper, and their imagination. I have no idea why people need to subscribe to anything in order to play D&D.

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u/TRAFICANTE_DE_PUDUES Feb 04 '23

Could someone ELI5 on that one?

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u/VirtualMachine0 Feb 04 '23

Hasbro, who own Dungeons and Dragons, created a new, more restrictive license for people using their content commercially.

It included things like a royalty structure, license revocation, potentially a way to "confiscate" intellectual property that the community would consider theirs.

I've never explained royalties, licensing, or IP to a 5 year old before, though.

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u/calvi219 Feb 04 '23

Basically DnD had a thing setup where people could make and sell their own content that fit in with DnD rules. They recently announced they want to restrict that so if people are selling 3rd party DnD content, 3rd party groups basically give the rights to DnD as well as royalties on sales of the content in question.

ELI5: a friend made a game with cool rules. A new friend wants to use the rules but create his own games. Original creator wants money from the new creator.

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u/gerusz Feb 04 '23

Hasbro is a rich kid in the kindergarten who had a big, elaborate toy castle. (D&D basic rules.) He allowed other kids to bring their own toys and play in the castle (Open Gaming License or OGL), and only asked them for a part of their lunch if they wanted him to help them play (D&D Beyond subscription) or they wanted to play in the castle with his figures (other sourcebooks). The other kids could also ask the players for a bit of their lunch to play with their toys in the castle. (3rd party sourcebook writers.) He promised the other kids that this will forever be the way they can play in his castle. And all was good.

Then the rich kid got greedy. He demanded that everyone who was using their toys in the castle and accepts some snacks from others who want to play with their toys should give them some of those snacks. And he also added that if he likes their toys, he can just take them. And he also said that he could change this deal anytime, and that the "forever" he promised doesn't really mean "forever".

The other kids just said "you stupid doo-doo-head, we will just build our own castle with Uno and girls who kiss for chocolate."

The rich kid tried to renege, saying that "oops, I was just thinking about doing this." And he proposed some other terms that were a bit more lenient... but also contained that nobody is allowed to draw his castle and play on it. (The Virtual Tabletop policy in the OGL 1.2 draft which would have basically reduced everything like Roll20 or Foundry into an Excel sheet.) And he asked the other kids what they thought about this draft.

The response was overwhelmingly negative with a few kids even saying some choice words that their drunk uncles taught them. The rich kid didn't really understand these words but he got the gist of it from the tone.

So in the end he folded because nobody wanted to give him snacks anymore, and donated the castle to the kindergarten (Released the 5.1 SRD into Creative Commons) to win back some of the trust so kids would start paying him snacks again for helping them to play or lending them his toys.

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u/TRAFICANTE_DE_PUDUES Feb 04 '23

Man, I really heard the voice of my late grandpa while reading your story. You should consider writing for children. You have talent and I mean it.

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u/UltraInstinctLurker Feb 04 '23

I'll give it a go.

Hasbro owns Wizards of the Coast (WotC) which owns Dungeons & Dragons (D&D). Recently there was a leaked document with changes to D&D's Open Gaming License (OGL), which is used by 3rd party creators to make products that work with the game's 3rd and 5th editions.

The leaked changes would've made the OGL more restrictive for future creations and possibly retroactively affected past creations. When there was backlash from the fans, WotC made a statement saying the leaked document was just a draft.

There has since been further developments but that's what I imagine was implied by the comment you responded to.

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u/TRAFICANTE_DE_PUDUES Feb 04 '23

Man, you are surrounded by smart 5yos.

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u/UltraInstinctLurker Feb 04 '23

Hmm, both companies said they were going to make changes that people didn't like. When people got mad at them they said "oh, just kidding."

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u/TRAFICANTE_DE_PUDUES Feb 04 '23

Still a bit smart for a 5yo, try again please.

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u/UltraInstinctLurker Feb 04 '23

Not sure how that's too smart still

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u/TRAFICANTE_DE_PUDUES Feb 04 '23

U use fancy words, like "company"

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u/UltraInstinctLurker Feb 04 '23

I imagine a 5 year old could grasp the word "company", especially relating to Hasbro since they deal with toys/games

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u/TRAFICANTE_DE_PUDUES Feb 04 '23

Fair enough, ELI3 then

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u/GyrKestrel Feb 03 '23

Who do you think is going to be the next one to pull this shit for March?

I'm betting Costco.

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u/Megaddd Feb 04 '23

Except their balloon was very persistent and several layers thick before it decided to finally cave and pop.

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u/ronerychiver Feb 04 '23

And the Roe v Wade overturning paper from the Supreme Court.

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u/Scarletfapper Feb 04 '23

I was gonna make a WOTC reference but you beat me to it