r/videos Dec 03 '21 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10 All-Seeing Upvote 2 Take My Energy 2 Argentium 1 Silver 12 Gold 1

YouTube is deleting comments from creators who criticize their hiding of the dislike count YouTube Drama

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u/Extracted Dec 03 '21

I really like that the pressure is still on. I expected people to forget about the dislike removal and move on.

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u/MapedMod Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

It will just dissolve in few months. They will add some new exciting functionality, start pushing more shorts, manipulate a little bit (like they are already doing with removing dislikes) and it will just be forgotten. I remember when there was a lot of lamenting about removing five stars and changing the layout, rottentomatoes, userbenchmark.. This screaming and hustling changed nothing.

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u/TheyKnowWeAreHere Dec 03 '21

Yeah but these small changes are adding up and making it feel like YouTube is no longer the site for videos.

Its now a content platform for content creators that make videos.

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u/engineeredthoughts Dec 03 '21

No.. it's an advertisement platform for advertisers.

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u/__Bax9 Dec 04 '21

Thank the lord for adblockers

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u/S31-Syntax Dec 04 '21

I still can't figure out how my last work blocked ads on both youtube and hulu

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u/Tithund Dec 04 '21

My friend who works in networking, set something like that up at our last lan-party, all traffic was being routed through a computer that was set up to block a list of domains, as well as load-balance the traffic.

It also had a download caching system where if someone downloaded anything on steam or any of the other large gaming platforms, it would be stored so the other people in the network would be able to get it at local connection speed.

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u/HowManyDamnUsernames Dec 04 '21

Pi-Hole. Had to do it because we got a 1.4k€ samsung TV and it had ads...... Worth the time and it was honestly pretty cost effective

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u/pizza5001 Dec 04 '21

Hold up — you bought an expensive TV and it would play ads while you were streaming to it? This is mental.

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u/__Bax9 Dec 04 '21

I used adblocker on Hulu years ago and it blocked the ad but you had to see a blank screen for the entire ad. Guess that’s still a win?

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u/SaysReddit Dec 04 '21

I did that, and no joke it was nice to have 30 seconds of silence during episodes.

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u/toofine Dec 03 '21

These assholes have been allowing insane disinformation on their platform throughout these critical election cycles and several years of pandemic. Now they want to hide even the most basic ways people can mark content as being trash.

YT is really being run by pieces of shit there's no denying it.

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u/MapedMod Dec 03 '21

What I am enthusiastic about is that there is no obvious alternative. Having more than one site to search for interesting content might seem like more work but it could actually make filtering a bit easier. Youtube search algorithm is horrible for years now and being able to just go to another website with search engine focused on different type of user could be much more useful to all of us. Most "content creators" promoted by youtube are focused on entertainment. They are already fixated on pleasing the almighty youtube algorithm.. Maybe they should stay there and people that want to present something else than "fun" could present it in more approachable ways on other websites focused on other type of audience.

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u/jednatt Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Most full time youtubers I watch rely on patreon, and youtube is basically just the video hosting site.

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u/StarPunchMan Dec 03 '21

Yep. Less a place for Joe Schmo with a cool talent or trade to show something cool or informative, more so a place for Mr. Beast and other production companies to post ad friendly content

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u/tamiya_prime Dec 03 '21

It's not just comments. I left a negative review for YouTube, on the Play Store, in regards to the dislike removal. My review was taken down within 2 minutes.

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u/Andromina Dec 03 '21

I kid you not my last 2-3 negative restaurant reviews have gone poof. Their food was truly terrible and yet my review was just... Gone

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u/Trick-Point Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

I left a negative review on Google for a dealership that did shitty repairs on my car. It was factual and didn't break any rules. Gone in 24 hours.

Edit: the dealership pays for Google advertising. Google is playing the same game that Yelp is.

Edit 2: to the people saying "you can't tell Google to remove a review" Don't be daft. The business just hits "flag as inappropriate". Google knows who advertises and who doesn't. There will be no official Google guidelines saying "remove it if they advertise", but these companies know how to get things done in a manner that avoids legal issues. See: yelp

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u/_Laserface_ Dec 03 '21

I had the same thing happen. The dealership had my review removed. No recourse for me and the bad review stays off.

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u/sumsomeone Dec 03 '21

So like... Is everyone just going to have 5 star Google reviews? Lol

How's this place? 5 stars!

Eventually the mass (Outside of Reddit) will catch on

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u/RisKQuay Dec 03 '21 Silver

I'm honestly at a loss on how to identify good products these days...

Brick and mortar chains stock shit at high prices, presumably because they can't compete with eBay/Amazon etcetera.

eBay and Amazon are choked full with bought for reviews or negative review scrubbing via refund offers.

So, unless there's something specific that I can search for on Reddit or a good independent review site catered towards the type of product like rtings... I dunno what to do.

How am I meant to know if this thing I'm buying is a good product? Even if the reviews are truthful, how can I know the product hasn't since been downgraded in terms of manufacturing quality?

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u/shepx13 Dec 03 '21

As someone who legitimately has all 5 star reviews for my business (only about 20 though) this is worrisome. I pride myself on my service and have asked most clients to leave reviews on Google as I had more faith in them than Facebook or Zillow. Guess I need to re-evaluate.

If everyone is great, no one is.

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u/poqpoq Dec 03 '21

Gotta get one of them to leave a 1 star where they look batshit, like: "walls were blue in store, I hate blue walls" and mix in a couple 4 stars to look organic

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u/POPuhB34R Dec 03 '21

I recently was looking for concrete suppliers and the only reviews for one of them was a person in the neighborhood complaining they wake them up at 6 AM, made me chuckle. The even made multiple accounts leaving almost identical reviews with one of the account names being "awakeat6"

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u/Ok-Detective-2419 Dec 04 '21

When i moved into my house next to this large industrial plant i was not told that there would be industrial noise!

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u/RslashPolModsTriggrd Dec 03 '21

Hello, Google AI Death Squad? Yes, this comment right here!

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u/wy1d0 Dec 03 '21

Reddit isn't immune either. Upvotes can be bought. Comments are fake. There are ads disguised as regular people posting a pic of a dog wearing a raincoat which always has the same top comments asking about a picture frame product. There is so much manipulation it's scary.

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u/CarrotSwimming Dec 04 '21

I see what you’re saying, and I totally agree with you. But I think you should consider Schweppes Zero Sugar Ginger Ale.

If it’s not Schweppes, you’re not doin it right.

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u/DubiousDrewski Dec 03 '21

Brick and mortar chains stock shit at high prices, presumably because they can't compete with eBay/Amazon etcetera.

Okay I'm not sure how it is in other markets, but I sell cameras, and we are DEFINITELY forced into parity pricing with Amazon. Any legitimate Amazon seller will not have lower pricing than our brick and mortar store. And if they do, we match it.

In fact, for black Friday the Zoom H1N was 3 dollars cheaper in our store than Amazon's sale price. Our memory cards are sometimes cheaper too.

The only Amazon sellers who beat our price are quasi-scammers like CenterDrone and MapleLeafPhoto.

My 2 cents.

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u/aldenhg Dec 03 '21

Could you expand on what makes those two quasi-scammers?

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u/DubiousDrewski Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

People have told me their experiences with them. They pay for a new camera, but receive clearly second-hand kits. Or they'll be grey-market, so the warranties don't work up here in Canada (but they don't tell you about any of this first) I've also heard of some orders never arriving at all. Someone showed me his "SanDisk" Extreme Pro card, and the sticker art didn't match the real thing very well. It was also throwing errors in half the cameras I tried it in.

But sometimes ... people actually receive the thing they asked for with no problems! It's Russian Roulette.

All of us retailers have to pay roughly the same base cost to bring things up here, then we all apply our standard mark ups, yet somehow they price way under base? It sure is fishy.

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u/A7MOSPH3RIC Dec 03 '21

Fake Reviews on Amazon chap my hide. I recenty ordered a product on Amazon which had a 4.5 star average. I thought great, this is going to be a good one. The product sucked. Subpar quality. The only way it could have got a high ranking was if they were fake.

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u/Betaateb Dec 03 '21

The star average on amazon is literally useless unless there are thousands of reviews. Always read some of the negative reviews and some of the positive. If the positive reviews are short broken English sentences, and the negative reviews are all thoughtful reviews about why the product sucks, you can be positive it sucks.

Beware anything with under 100 reviews, basically everyone just buys 50-100 4-5 star reviews these days.

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u/umbrajoke Dec 03 '21

I just stopped using positive reviews and mainly stick to 1-3 stars for honest reviews and a good idea of what issues to expect.

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u/MrProfPatrickPhD Dec 03 '21

I always start with the 3 star reviews and move out from there. 1 and 5 always seem to be filled with useless or fake reviews

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u/RisKQuay Dec 03 '21

Yup; I look for the lengthy reviews where a reviewer has actually put some effort in and talks like a real human being - listing some drawbacks on positive reviews - not a paid for review that hypes the product up.

Unfortunately those are irregular.

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u/RubberReptile Dec 03 '21

A ton of brands got wiped from Amazon for fake reviews back in September, and guess what? Most of them are back with the same e-waste garbage products, and new fake reviews, trading under a different name.

It's incredible how common it is. These days I try to avoid Amazon/Walmart/Bestbuy and anywhere with a 3rd party marketplace, and try to only buy recognizable brands.

Always sort review by most recent. Chances are the product with 3.5 star and 40 reviews will be better than the 4.7 star 500+ review because one has paid reviews that show up as verified purchase and the other has honest feedback.

I used to review a lot on Amazon but recently they've started auto-modding my reviews, and it seems to catch negative reviews a hell of a lot more than positive ones. Impossible to prove a bias, but good reviews sell products, and amazon is in the interest of selling products

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u/Fellinlovewithawhore Dec 03 '21

Ngl these days i just google "thing-i-need reddit". If corporations are astro turfing reddit im boned.

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u/bennyGrose Dec 03 '21

I have some news…

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21

Corporations are astro turfing reddit and the top subs are moderated by a lot of the same people. Sorry to be the one to tell ya, bud.

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u/raider1v11 Dec 03 '21

Only buy shit with a return policy.

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u/RobbieAnalog Dec 03 '21

Meanwhile my wife runs a store in a small town and she was unable to get a 1star review removed from someone who didn't even shop there.

We checked the profile and the person just left one star reviews at nearly every small business in town on the same day.

Google said they wouldn't remove it.

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u/Hot-Mathematician691 Dec 03 '21

Gotta pay their tax...kinda like a mafia protection racket

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u/time_flask Dec 04 '21

That's really odd. I've been a regular google contributor sijce their programme began and made it all the way to the top tier of local guides. Before the vaccines were out and when we were going through our peak of infections a local circus that still uses animals for performances and has been reported repeatedly to SPCA for animal abuse decided to open up and was advertising everywhere. I was angry on multiple levels and I figured I leave a review with all the details of listed abuse and that it was a terrible bussiness that shouldn't be supported. Google stripped ny local guide status and refuse to reinstate it after an appeal. I expect the owners probably paid for Google ads (how I found out about it in the first place) and has an account manager that blocked me at google. I also reported the ads on YouTube and since that happened they've taken away my ability to report ads. They're sort of inadvertently strong arming bussinesses to use their tools and ad platforms to get support. A small business can get review bombed if they don't use their platform and if you're a big enough bussiness to afford it you can hide whatever bad behaviour you want

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u/IrishPub Dec 03 '21

I'm in this boat right now. Shop has 5* reviews. All glowing. They've had my car for a month and a half. Never have reached out to me on their own to let me know what's going on and continually just blow me off. I'll be leaving a negative review. Wonder if it will be taken off.

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u/inommmz Dec 03 '21

I’m a chef and yelp and google offer my restaurants payement options and dispute options for removing bad reviews or hiding them. We hate those platforms and are basically coerced into using their services because they put your business up regardless of membership. Fuck all these social media companies

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u/RandomShmamdom Dec 03 '21

So it's a blackmail type situation then, or maybe a protection racket.

"Nice eatery you've got there, be a shame if it got a bad reputation on our platform..."

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u/blademon64 Dec 03 '21

"Nice eatery you've got there, be a shame if it got a bad reputation on our platform..."

I worked for my father for years and years at his small business, and this is basically how Yelp operates. We refused to pay their fees to remove a bad review from our Yelp page and suddenly the two old negative reviews we had were at the top of our page above more-recent positive ones.

Yelp is a scummy business and Google is going down the same route.

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u/inommmz Dec 03 '21

Basically yes. It’s all a politics scheme with them; it gets worse when you learn about permits and alcohol laws and how you have to rub some local politicians backs and cater to them after you open if they help you get all your permits and licenses without huge hiccups.

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u/Robobvious Dec 03 '21

When he said $5 I was unsure but then he re-contextualized it as only twenty quarters and I was sold.

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u/Ima_Starboy Dec 03 '21

its simple, give creators the option to keep or remove dislikes per video. so at least people will question why this video hid the dislikes and they can do further research if needed while allowing other smaller channels getting spammed to hide them

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u/kyleclements Dec 03 '21

Users already had that option.

We could opt to enable or disable like and dislike counts at a per video level, or set a channel default to make it easier.

This change is purely a big "Fuck you!" from YouTube to the community.

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u/adambunion Dec 03 '21

This change is purely a big "Fuck you!" from YouTube to the community.

As is tradition

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u/throwitallllll Dec 03 '21

Please stop being naive.

The dislike removal is nothing more than something to appease their corporate overlords because they want their money.

Negativity is bad for business, so rather than fix their problems they would just prefer that nobody be allowed to say anything negative.

Absolutely fucking disgusting to me

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u/ManyPoo Dec 03 '21

It's also to actively stop users from knowing good content from bad. Netflix did this all social media has moved in this direction because it turns the platform into an infinite scroll gambling addiction inducing search for quality. You don't want people finding the highest quality stuff you want them scrolling indefinitely.

This is gonna make them a ton of money

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u/3dge-1ord Dec 03 '21

Similar to why I ended my Amazon prime. I started writing reviews, and somehow any negative review is a violation of TOS or should be written about the seller and not the product or vise versa. They review every single review before it's posted but it's too much to review sellers selling obvious knockoffs.

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u/Web-Dude Dec 03 '21

At this point, I can't trust anything Amazon sells. Far, far too many knock-offs and low-quality junk products. I've ordered enough ("ooh, this looks like a deal") only to be let down (breaks just after return period).

And their horrible search system which lacks any useful filters wasn't helping me stay with them either. Impossible to find niche products.

But ultimately what drove me away is the fact that I realized I was destroying my own local economy by buying from them.

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u/rogueblades Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

and this doesn't even begin to address the countless shitty vendors selling shitty products that ask you/bribe you/lie to you for a positive review on amazon.

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u/wreck94 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

I left three reviews, none addressed the dislike button, or the continual stream of intellectually bankrupt business decisions, but the horrible performance of the app as of late.

A decade ago, five years ago, two years ago, the app was fine. Now it loads worse on my thousand dollar phone than videos did on my LG Optimus V I bought back in high school. And it's the same on multiple devices. Freezing for no reason, scrolling issues when looking at recommended videos or comments, the video freezing at chunks of the video, and if you rewind the video, it stays frozen at that same spot. View history randomly deleting or ignoring watched videos. And so many more gripes. This all happens regularly on two out of my three phones, and both of the problem phones are recently reimaged.

I described as much of that as I could to show it's a legitimate complaint, but Google/YouTube has deleted my reviews three times now. Absolutely inexcusable, the response to that should be to fix the issue, not to try to cover it up and make us voice our concerns on Reddit. So far since the app has gotten bad, the only changes I've seen from app updates is that the app is working worse on my iPhone too.

Such a shame what they've done and will continue to do with this once-great platform.

(Small edit for wording)

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u/lazy_bastard_pizza Dec 03 '21

One thing that's been irritating me, and I think it is fairly recent, is that any link that takes you into the Youtube app now takes 3 back button presses to get back to where you were. The first minimizes the video to a p-in-p type view, the second takes you back to a 'home' screen of sorts, then the third minimizes Youtube and goes back to the origin of the link. Annoying as fuck.

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u/pixl_graphix Dec 03 '21

Hold the fuck up. Do you think you get to leave youtube? Sorry pal, you have to watch at least 4 more videos and 20 more ads before the YT app can be minimized.

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u/Complicated-HorseAss Dec 03 '21 Helpful

I use to love getting help on youtube on how to fix things and do things but now I don't trust it since I can't tell if it's been downvoted to hell and is actually giving me wrong advice. I feel like this is a push in the wrong direction to fight disinformation.

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u/jjwax Dec 03 '21

youtube/google/alphabet isn't interested in fighting disinformation, unless it aligns with their plans to make more $$$

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u/Chafram Dec 03 '21

What I don’t understand is how they can make more money by removing dislikes. How does it help them?

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u/Lumba Dec 03 '21

Corporations more willing to post more content and advertise more when they don’t have to worry about facing backlash via a bad dislike ratio

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u/nmezib Dec 03 '21

And now we can't even trust that the comments will be an accurate reflection of the content (if the creator even allows comments in the first place)

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u/stuartullman Dec 03 '21

yess!! this is what i was coming here to say. i used to skip all the videos with the wrong advice on fixing certain things by simply looking at the like/dislike ratio. i had this happen to me just earlier clicking on a video with misinformation

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u/Curazan Dec 03 '21

I’ve been learning car repair and this has completely fucked me. Yeah, I can trust channels like ChrisFix, but occasionally I need to find a video about the exact model of 22-year-old car. The videos often have views in the hundreds or low thousands with only a few comments, but the dislike ratio always painted a clear picture.

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u/jumpsteadeh Dec 03 '21

I saved so much money fixing household stuff because of watching youtube tutorials, but now I don't know if I'll be able to find credible sources.

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u/dixonmason Dec 03 '21

Next they will probably do away with the comment section entirely because of companies complaining about negative comments.

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u/maultify Dec 03 '21

They'll just filter it to hell, which they're already doing to a decent degree.

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u/Pickaroonie Dec 03 '21

I linked to GitHub and Archive once each and since then I seem to have been put on a URL naughty list. Half my comments are ghosted. Visible to only me.

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u/GrandMasterPuba Dec 04 '21

This happens all the time on Reddit as well. You can be effectively banned from dozens of subreddits and you'll never be notified because your comments will be automatically removed by bots, but still show up to you.

You can use something like https://www.reveddit.com/about/ to see all the comments Reddit has removed without ever informing you about.

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u/Curazan Dec 03 '21

Corporate channels already disable comments.

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u/Bspammer Dec 03 '21

They could disable the dislike bar before as well. The difference is it’s no longer suspicious because every video is the same

That’s the reason they’re not giving creators the ability to enable the dislike counter individually, which would actually make sense if their real goal was to protect creators

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u/MationMac Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

They could hide the rating (likes/dislikes), but this would show as if nobody had liked nor disliked it.

The new method still shows likes, so a controversial video will just show as being heavily liked.

An example of this is the YouTube comments. Did you ever see a disliked comment? The dislike button on comments has been a placebo since the Google+ integration. Try disliking and the counter won't go down.

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u/DIABLO258 Dec 03 '21

They'll make it so the uploader can check a box that says "No negative comments" and a bot will delete anything it deems negative using keywords and account history. Either that or they'll only allow certain accounts to make comments.

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u/Bandanamonium Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful

This isn't paranoia at this point. It's protecting big companies, media, and tech. It's not youtube anymore. It's themtube.

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u/Bitbatgaming Dec 03 '21

They knew that from the very start when they say "creators can still see dislikes"

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u/Thought-O-Matic Dec 03 '21

Why does advertising have to ruin everything...

Could they just try not sucking so much ass

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u/throwitallllll Dec 03 '21

It's much cheaper to just control what people see by controlling what people are allowed to say.

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u/Destiny_player6 Dec 03 '21

This is why "the internet is dead" theory is getting more and more true. That now it isn't content created by people around the globe but just advertisements and like 5 popular websites with a shit ton of bot accounts or dead ones.

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u/ManDudeGuySirBoy Dec 04 '21

This is why I've been on a neocities kick recently, longing for the good ol days

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u/Cory123125 Dec 03 '21

Even reddit is like this. If you use revedit you can see the number of perfectly legitimate comments that are removed by moderators trying to control the discussion.

I will occasionally check on my account user page and its maddening the sort of opinions that are censored on this site, but the admins don't care, and also mod some of the bigger subreddits too.

It's part of why I feel like these big social media companies need to be treated as a public square, and need to be regulated.

They have too much control over discourse.

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u/ginja_ninja Dec 03 '21

yAlL cAnT bEhAvE

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u/deWaardt Dec 03 '21

Because money.

No more arguments have to be given. Some people would sacrifice their own child if it'd win them another penny.

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u/Stop_me_when_i_argue Dec 03 '21

There are actively people out there sacrificing our future children to make a few grand right now

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u/analogWeapon Dec 03 '21

All online products are made out of advertising. They were born ruined.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

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u/its_just_my_throwawa Dec 03 '21

Doesn't matter how good the competitor's platform is, they can't beat youtube's 16 years worth of content

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u/_pupil_ Dec 03 '21

Also that entrenched user base and app footprint (phones, smart tvs, consoles).

Which is to say: the day someone really does it better than YouTube, expect YouTube to do it that way too and drink, their, milkshake, up.

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u/GoBanana42 Dec 03 '21

Obviously. The point is if people care enough, they'll leave and help another platform build up.

People likely don't care enough, but that's another issue.

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u/1CEninja Dec 03 '21

This is the unfortunate truth. Google slow played their hand. They waited for YouTube to become a core part of our lives before introducing advertisement at all, and then waited until it was unlikely any other alternative could show up where they doubled down and made the advertisement painful.

At this point all we can do is stop creating new content for YouTube, but too many of the biggest creators literally have their livelihood coming from it so.....

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u/derkrieger Dec 03 '21

A good many make their income from elsewhere as YouTube is unreliable as shit. If they thought they could realistically bail and have their audience follow the content somewhere else it wouldnt be unbelievable for many of them to do so.

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u/1CEninja Dec 03 '21

And some of them ARE doing so. Apparently Patreon income is much more consistent (as it is fans actively supporting the content creator rather than relying on clicks, so I wouldn't be hugely surprised if we move in to a world where more content creator compensation is like twitch. I like a video, I give bits.

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u/Hieillua Dec 03 '21 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

Back in the day when YT started it was a fun alternative to mainstream media. Now it's simply become mainstream media and the media doesn't like it when people can give direct feedback. Next up for removal: comments.

It's 100% going to happen. Don't kid yourself. Maybe they'll first intensify the way they shadowban comments. Giving channels more ways to moderate. It will be introduced as a way to combat toxicity. That's how it'll be marketed. Down the line they will entirely shut comments down because ''its difficult to moderate properly''. Or only members of channels will be able to comment. Pay to comment!

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u/Falcrist Dec 03 '21

Back in the day when YT started it was a fun alternative to mainstream media.

This is still true... which is why the change is SO FRUSTRATING.

There's content on that site that could never have been made on TV. Some of the science and engineering content in particular is of astounding quality compared to TV shows. Not necessarily astounding production value... but I don't believe that's the most important thing.

This is why I care each time youtube makes their website more hostile towards creators and viewers.

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u/Outtie_5000 Dec 03 '21 Silver

I remember when they took comments/discussions off of IMDB. I spent 99% of my interneting commenting on movie discussion boards and then it was just gone.

Thankfully I found reddit but I still miss those forums.

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u/NaughtSleeping Dec 04 '21

Couldn't agree more. Losing the IMDB boards is still a loss to this day. Reddit movie discussion is not even close to an adequate replacement because it's not keyed off an exhaustive index of movies.

Being reminded of IMDB depresses me as it shows that things won't just somehow fix itself later no matter how obviously bad the decision is.

EDIT TO ADD: To this day I still try to go to Wikipedia instead of IMDB to look up cast or movie info because I'm still pissed about that decision and don't want to give them any traffic.

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u/Smasborgen Dec 04 '21

Too true. While threads on films can go on for years on forums, Reddit has a very short expiration date. After a few days there isn't anyone on a Reddit thread to discuss and it gets archived in 6 months. IMDB's discussion board is a big loss. Glad someone remembered this.

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u/convalcon Dec 03 '21

You’re already seeing this with the shorts or reels or whatever the platform you’re on calls them. Creators will put out lazy content and disable the comments so it only appears as if they’ve gotten positive engagement from a thousand or so likes.

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u/RedditOnlyGetsWorsee Dec 03 '21

Who is looking at a video with disabled comments and assuming anything but bad things happened? The second I see that I assume some shit went down

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u/Hieillua Dec 03 '21

Also, most comment sections are already fucked. Most big channels are filled with bots and instant positive reinforcement from a community. People won't have even seen the video yet and they're posting something like ''You guys are amazing!'' to get some likes. Or you'll have a ton of verified channels in the comments farming the audience. Constantly marketing themselves. I'm sure that will only get worse.

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u/Raetekusu Dec 03 '21

There's a quote out there that I cannot seem to find for the life of me. But it's basically talking about how 40 years ago or so, some of the most popular bands were famous about trying to break free of labels and stuff like that, but fast forward a few years and they were the ones doing commercials for cereals and shit.

Same thing with YouTube. Used to be a place where people could freely post videos and express themselves. Now it's a fully corporatized platform with all that goes with it.

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u/BurlyJohnBrown Dec 03 '21

They all run under the same profit extraction engine and so that's inevitable. Its all fun and games early on until venture capitalists want some returns.

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u/imliterallyfive Dec 03 '21

And when literally everything runs on money, very few people have the ability to not sell out when the opportunity arises.

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u/Hieillua Dec 03 '21

I remember years ago when many people were predicting this. We all saw it coming from afar. It's the logical but tragic fate of YouTube. Many people were also sure this would happen when Google took YouTube over as well. Gradually it became less YOUtube and more Corporatetube. It's just going to become another version of network tv.

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u/advairhero Dec 03 '21

Hell, I got an ad on Twitch just yesterday for PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION. All of these sites are circling the morality/information drain

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u/Curazan Dec 03 '21

Corporate channels already disable comments. We’re there.

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u/BabaBoHi Dec 03 '21

RIP IMDB comments

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u/octothorpe_rekt Dec 03 '21

You didn't realize that YouTube was mainstream when everyone's default home page became polluted with official clips from Ellen, Jimmy Fallon, and Conan? It went from "here's a silly clip with obviously shitty effects we added in Windows Move Maker just for fun in our friend's basement" to "here are some jokes from the celebrities and ads from the biggest companies on the planet" like 10 years ago.

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u/jayhawk618 Dec 03 '21

The problem with removing downvotes is that they were extremely helpful - especially when looking up things like tutorials.

If a tutorial had mostly downvotes, I knew not to waste my time. If it had mostly upvotes, but a good portion of downvotes, I knew to try it, but that it might not solve the problem in every instance.

Without downvotes, I'm flying blind. Say for instance, I watch a tutorial for repairing electronics, I NEED to know what percentage of people had success following these steps before I take my Roomba apart.

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u/iamandyf96 Dec 03 '21

Not only that, people could put out videos intentionally giving you the wrong information.

"Take your Roomba apart entirely. Bathe the components in a bath of water for at least 10 minutes. Make sure to use an impact driver when putting the plastic components back together. etc..."

All you will see is the positive like count on that video. As far as the lay-person would be aware, that video is great and had 5,000 likes! But what it doesn't tell you is the 500,000 dislikes on that video because it caused people to short-out their components and break the plastic shells with an impact driver.

Call me cynical, but I fully expect companies to intentionally start posting videos giving the wrong information for replacing parts to ensure people break it when they try it themselves.

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u/bizniz35 Dec 04 '21

You're a business genius

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u/NumerousSuccotash141 Dec 03 '21

So now you’re going to have to watch more/all the videos. Sounds like exactly what they want.

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u/ManyPoo Dec 03 '21

Yep, this is a big part of it. They want to make YouTube an infinite scrolling platform like Instagram and others. Taps into the gambling addiction part of your brain. You not knowing whether it is a quality video is the feature not the bug

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u/DjehutyCatfish Dec 03 '21

Yeah well the ad block is going back on then. Not giving them a fucking dime.

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u/Petrosidius Dec 03 '21

This is a good thing for YouTube not a bad thing.

In the old system, you look for a tutorial, find one with lots of likes and few dislikes, watch it, solve your problem and leave YouTube.

That's unacceptable for them. Every decision they make is to maximize watch time. Now the process is: search for tutorial, watch 5 shitty ones which don't solve your problem, finally find a good one and move on.

From YouTube's perspective this is great, total watch time went up, ads played went up, more money in their pockets.

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u/Skyguy21 Dec 03 '21

Everyone know it’s bad. YouTube purposely did this to increase watch times and to help lead people down rabbit holes.

Imagine someone very naive watches some videos claiming the global warming is a hoax. Before they may have seen a disproportionate like/dislike ratio and clicked of. Now they will see 2-3k likes and no dislikes, think a lot of people agree with this nut job, and continue watching. Algorithm picks it up, slips in another video with hoax stuff, they watch it, and before long this naive individual is all in on fraudulent material. YouTube doesn’t care, watch time is up, ad revenue is high, the countries IQ slips a few more points, no problem!

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u/godel32 Dec 03 '21

YOutube is actively trying to blur the line between truth and misinformation, value and garbage. Shame on the people running the company, especially the CEO.

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u/tonyMEGAphone Dec 03 '21

They should try changing their name /s

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u/Iguessimonredditnow Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Wow, that's Meta™

Edit: Thanks for the formatting tip!

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u/Nanto_Suichoken Dec 03 '21

Do something Vimeo, it's your time to shine bro.

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u/WillDeletOneDay Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Vimeo doesn't want the YouTube userbase. That isn't their target demo.

IMO that is fine. It's gonna suck for the lazy people, but we wouldn't be in this mess if video services didn't become so overly centralized. We need to go back to the days where content was split up across numerous sites that cater to their own specific audiences.

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u/frozengrandmatetris Dec 04 '21

peertube works great for this purpose. you can set up your own video site with it very easily

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u/Gaming_Friends Dec 03 '21

I think, what's most heinous about this is that we've already been going in the very obvious direction that social media content is starting to substantially affect society and the individual world view of the average internet user. So moves like this are almost Orwellian in the sense that big data companies are more and more removing the agency, the feedback, the criticism. Soon they'll be spoonfeeding most of the population whatever information they want, and the ability to question it in any meaningful forum will just be nonexistent.

I'm also not the type of person to cry "1984!" at all, but as a IT professional stuff like this is starting to scare me.

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u/Gay_Romano_Returns Dec 03 '21

"Don't be evil."

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u/--Krombopulos-- Dec 03 '21

We should just spam the Youtube review section with this quote.

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u/bordain_de_putel Dec 03 '21

"Hey look, the serfs are angry again, wanna go for lunch?"

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u/acdcfanbill Dec 03 '21

That's been gone so long they forgot which things are evil and which aren't.

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u/RedditOnlyGetsWorsee Dec 03 '21

For real. It was basically gone in 2011 when people were still losing the game.

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u/kwsee Dec 03 '21

You bastard, I had a 10 year streak going

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u/CY4N Dec 03 '21

The people over at Google are freaking insane, this is like if Amazon removed every product review that isn't 5 Stars from their website.

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u/FrankyCentaur Dec 03 '21

They do that quite a bit and most products are filled with tons of incredibly obvious fake 5 star reviews.

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u/Skyguy21 Dec 03 '21

Amazon already does this to some extent.

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u/raggedtoad Dec 03 '21

Amazon is garbage too. I left a negative review and the company kept emailing me for over a year with various anonymous gmail accounts offering me $10-$20 bribes to change or delete my review.

Since this clearly violates the Amazon seller code of conduct, I tried to report the seller to Amazon. There is no way to do it. I started a chat session multiple times with Amazon "support" and it went nowhere. That same product is still for sale today by the same shady seller.

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u/tehPeteos Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

It's more than this. I tried to leave comments on the recent Games Master episode released on the E4 YouTube channel, and every single one was deleted within seconds. I was praising the reboot - the comments weren't negative or controversial in any way - but they were deleted regardless, seemingly by an automated process.

There's something fishy going on.

[Edit] For all those saying that it's some form of shadow ban; I'm able to comment on other videos with no problems - the GamesMaster video was the first one I noticed the problem with. Other comments were being posted and not deleted, and my deleted comments were still counted towards the total comment count for the video.

It's clear there's something dodgy going on, some form of censorship where you're not even notified of an issue or what you did to warrant being flagged. No oversight, no accountability, just a giant corporation abusing its power and experimenting with new systems in an effort to control the public discourse, kowtowing to advertisers and political interests. My main concern is how a system like this could be abused to control the national discourse around elections; you can't downvote, you can't comment - which just makes the gaslighters job a whole lot easier.

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u/Ftpini Dec 03 '21

It’s not fishy at all. It’s just the end of YouTube as an open forum. It’s now a finely curated site designed to push the content of the top payer. It’s far past the point to move on from YouTube into a more open and less curated service. If such a thing doesn’t exist then it’s just time to go back outside. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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u/untipoquenojuega Dec 03 '21

Maybe it's time for a new website. YouTube has a monopoly on video content right now which is why they can do this with zero repercussions.

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u/0neek Dec 03 '21

The problem is there's maybe five people on the planet who can realistically build a competitor. Good luck convincing one of them to risk a massive portion of their fortune and years of their time building up a competitor when YouTube can then just 'turn a new leaf' for a month or two and crush them.

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u/amplifizzle Dec 03 '21

Well said. YouTube as a viable platform for independent creators is dead.

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u/fox_tamere Dec 03 '21

it's just time to go back outside.

NEVER!!

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u/DuckOnQuak Dec 03 '21

And so the rise of dailymotion begins...

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u/MadScientist92 Dec 03 '21

Lol I just went to the dailymotion website and under "News" they have a video from a year ago. It's so goddamn ridiculous how little competition youtube has, and none of it is actually competent! They are basically a monopoly and they are doing whatever they want unfortunately.

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u/Alpha-Trion Dec 03 '21

They've been waiting patiently to take over. YouTube but with boobs allowed. The greatest idea in history.

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u/DarkHelmet Dec 03 '21

Maybe the channel has some sort of comment moderation turned on. Channels/videos can be set to only allow approved comments. If that is set, you will still see your own comment when logged in, but no one else will until it is approved.

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u/JohnCavil Dec 03 '21

First they came for the furries, but i did not speak up because i wasn't a furry...

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u/EatTheBiscuitSam Dec 03 '21

YouTube saw the success of the Facebook algorithm and is now trying to copy it. The problem is that when you stop community ranking only the videos that have the most consumer staying power are promoted and unfortunately part of the human condition makes us pay more attention to vitriol or emotional triggering content.

In the short term YouTube gets fanatical customers which is good for them. Long term it degrades a informed civil society which leads quickly to civil unrest and a greater possibility of the rich to start a war to maintain their control.

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u/meowpower777 Dec 03 '21

Remember when Agent Smith seals Mr. Andersons mouth shut?

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u/budrow21 Dec 03 '21

Tell me, Mr. Anderson. What good is a phone call video, if you’re unable… to speak rate it

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u/Letsgodubs Dec 03 '21

Dumbest decision in the history of the internet. YouTube is a resource people use daily whether for entertainment or for education. The dislike button is a simple way for people to rate the quality of the video. Take it away and you now leave room for clickbait, scam videos or just low quality content that wastes people's time.

Of course, that's what YouTube wants. More views, less quality, less criticism.

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u/Grebnrok Dec 03 '21

As a side note, everyone should go watch this guy's videos. He's an incredible animator.

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u/entotheenth Dec 03 '21

I could just listen to that voice.

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u/neverknowsbest___ Dec 03 '21

And his twitch stream too - It's been amazing watching episode 2 come together and it's almost done!

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u/JustinHopewell Dec 04 '21

Agreed. I had completely forgotten about this dude until today, like its probably been 2 years or so since I last watched anything on his channel. Looking forward to catching up.

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u/Purplepunch36 Dec 03 '21

What’s the whole push for this? We know what YouTube said about removing the dislike button but there is an obvious agenda here to control the narrative for something.

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u/prone2scone Dec 03 '21

Large brands and corporate media get the most dislikes. Hence, dislikes go away for their benefit.

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u/TorbjornKegBreaker Dec 03 '21

Stop paying for YouTube premium or whatever the hell it's called now. YouTube has not done a damn thing for over a decade now to make their site worth paying a service for. The service only exists yo get rid of all the obnoxious ads, something they put in place

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u/glambx Dec 03 '21

Just cancelled my youtube premium membership. I can't sanction this kind of behavior with my wallet.

If anyone at Google is reading this: I (and many others) will not pay for youtube premium unless you restore the dislike counter.

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u/N-Bluth Dec 03 '21

Use firefox + ublock origin plugin and it blocks all ads. On android use newpipe. No more need for premium.

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u/Povertjes Dec 03 '21

I really like youtube vanced.

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u/ThrowawayMePlsTy Dec 03 '21

10/10 would recomend Vanced

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u/Povertjes Dec 03 '21

I love the feature to skip the in-video-ads for raid/nordvpn/etc. that every second youtuber has nowadays.

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u/ThrowawayMePlsTy Dec 03 '21

My favorite youtubers announce they're doing an ad, and change clothes for the duration so we can skip through and see when it's over because they're back in the clothes they were wearing before. I love that lol

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u/generalissimo1 Dec 03 '21

The guys at Donut Media show a yellow bar at the bottom of the screen to show the duration of the ad.

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u/Habba Dec 03 '21

The Linus Tech Tips channel has an exact 20 second ad/intro that you can skip by pressing "L" twice.

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u/GinkNocab Dec 03 '21

I was a Google Play Musicstan until they forced everyone to an inferior Youtube branded version.

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u/MothWithEyes Dec 03 '21

Did the same a week ago. It's amazing how they did so much damage with such small change. The app is almost unusable. Why would I spend 10 times the time to read comments just to rank the quality of the video?

Just think of how it promotes disinformation ( In the most sensitive time in recent history no less). Such an evil move. I won't be surprised if programmers stop working there.

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u/Bitbatgaming Dec 03 '21

I even saw the replies on a tweet where they ask a question "what is your favourite dog" and they hide the replies that say "fuck the dog bring back dislikes"

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u/greedoFthenoob Dec 03 '21

lol can you link that?

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u/peterparking1 Dec 03 '21

That brings joy to my heart. All their twitter posts seem to get spammed by dislike related comments.

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u/Rebubula_ Dec 03 '21

I fight the good fight there. I go once a week to spam dislike on every post and like every post about dislikes. Join in on the fun!! There’s actually some hilarious memes

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u/iFlyAllTheTime Dec 03 '21

As it should be

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u/kernell32 Dec 03 '21

YTs algorithm is a little bitch

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u/uhkayus Dec 03 '21

Lol I can't even give it a negative review on the Google play store. Just says there's a server error.

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u/pomegranate_ Dec 03 '21

did you try giving it a positive review to see if the error magically disappears?

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u/Finemage Dec 03 '21

its because the CEO of youtube receives so many dislikes she disabled it. :'( go cry more SUSAN

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u/109837 Dec 03 '21

Ah yes, just the usual cycle of YouTube making shit decisions, the user base complaining for a while, then ultimately back to doing nothing.

YouTube doesn’t listen to anyone besides themselves and money, it’s been like that for 10+ years now.

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u/Patsfan618 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

We're coming into a post review world. A world where everyone is happy and everything is amazing (if that needs to be enforced, so be it).

You will not own anything, you will not have your own opinions, you will consume, you will be happy.

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u/coenobitae Dec 03 '21

I would like off of mr. bones wild ride

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u/Chef_Groovy Dec 03 '21

“There is no war in Ba Sing Se.”

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u/nicktherat Dec 03 '21

a fox in space. i love that dude

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u/JustALittleBitRight Dec 03 '21

Time to switch to Odysee everyone.

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u/1000001_Ants Dec 03 '21

Sounds like Google's turning into Hooli

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u/woppatown Dec 03 '21

What about Dunkey’s new video? Will that be taken down?

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u/0neek Dec 03 '21

Over 6 mil subscribers, he's safe.

Now if someone with 600 subscribers had instead made that video word for word, the channel would be gone within minutes and any future channels they try to make would never get traction.

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u/ditthrowaway999 Dec 03 '21

I hate how true this is. I don't even know anymore, YouTube is obviously bad now but it's just one of many. The Internet in general just sucks so much now. And I'm not just being nostalgic or whatever. The internet truly used to be an amazing thing. In the 90s through 2000s, it was almost magical, so many cool people, communities, and finding a new website was like exploring a brand new land. Almost everything was decentralized and things just seemed more genuine. It all started to decline in quality around the time of the rise of smartphones. 2014 or 15 is when it started to fall fast. And now here we are.

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