I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.
I get screamed at every time I get an STD test. Or they have people out pretending to work for PP and telling people you have to check in with them at the gate then BOOM they give you anti abortion shit.
I'm like, bro. This location doesn't even offer abortions.
ETA: there sure are a lot of uneducated people in the comments who are absolutely baffled by the idea of routine testing and responsible sexual health. Y'all are the reason for the statistics. But I guess if you never get a test, you technically never have to disclose your status to your partner. 🤡
I remember a Last Week Tonight episode where they showed anti-abortion activists having set up similiarly named ”clinics” with very visible signs just about next door of the places people were actually looking for. They would then offer ”help” to those unfortunate enough to walk in.
I’m from Europe and my knowledge comes from a entertainment show, but i found it absolutely bonkers that those instances do not need to state that they do not offer abortions, and it’s A-OK to keep your customer thinking that you do. Just stringing somebody along who is probably a complete mess long enough that legal abortion is off the table.
This is true. And in the days when the Yellow Pages were how folks found out about local businesses, they would pay to be listed under “Abortion services.” These days they have to classify themselves as “pregnancy crisis centers” or something similar- which is better but not by much.
Their main thing is offering abortion (but never actually calling it that) at an insanely cheap price, then stringing the women along until it’s legally too late or they can convince her her body is not her own.
Yeah I read a girls story where the crisis center said they would help her and then one it was passed the mark where she could get an abortion in her state they abandoned her completely, and she was pregnant with twins. She said it ruined her life.
This is all about creating desperate people to exploit. American evangelical christianity has become heretical. If they were real Christian's theyd know Jesus is the kind of guy who would spend all day braiding a whip so he could beat the shit out of Christian's like these.
Take a look at Poland, they've gone the other way.
We have abortion clinics in the Czech Republic now that only employ Polish speakers and serve only Polish women who have crossed the border to get help
I've often thought maybe these unwanted babies are more likely to end up as cannon fodder for the military or slave labour within the prison system.
I'm a very pragmatic person, every child born is another drain on the world's limited resources, another consumer and contributor to pollution - as we all are. Why bring an unwanted person into the world? Life is tough enough when you're loved and wanted by your parents, let alone when you're not.
Anyway, abortion is supported in the Bible if you look at the "trial of the bitter water" which was supposed to make a woman miscarry if she was pregnant as a result of adultery- Numbers 5:11-31.
You know why it’s in the Bible that way? Because like today nobody is going to raise and take care of a child that’s not their own. Pretty smart in my book.
IIRC, one of the reasons they call it a 'crisis pregnancy center' is because in the days before abortions were legal, every ER had a dedicated ICU for catastrophic pregnancy complications resulting from attempted at-home abortions. These were for injuries from women who had tried to perform their own abortions with coat hangers, pills, and chemicals. People who had tried to douche with bleach or other strong solvents or had poisoned themselves with things in order to prevent their pregnancies.
People these days don't remember those horrors because Roe v. Wade was roughly 50 years ago; thankfully we haven't needed those sorts of dedicated ICUs anymore.
The people who set these kinds of scams up should be legally liable for sending monetary support into raising the children they've helped bring into this world. That'll get them shut down extremely quick.
More likely they'll just declare bankruptcy and reorganized under a new business name. That's what Randall Terry (forced birth terrorist) did when Planned Parenthood won a huge a civil case against him, he declared bankruptcy so PP couldn't collect.
Actually, I think that everyone who protests outside an abortion clinic should be made to pay an extra tax to support the financial upkeep of children from parents who can't afford to feed them. They should be GLAD to do so.
Duplicity and lies are part of their tactics. They justify it by saying they are fighting for fetuses and god. For god, anything goes. They are the kind of people who are so convinced they are right, they are willing to do heinous things for it.
This is why I'm convinced the next rise of fascism will be in America. These people operate with impunity and they have the most powerful propaganda machine in the country. Imagine people like that controlling the most powerful military in the world with thousands of nukes.
How do they set up right next to the clinic they're actually looking for though? They just rent the suite next to them?
Either way, yeah that's incredibly scummy and obviously not legitimate. That would be trashy if it wasn't a medical practice. But the fact that it is elevates it to "why tf is this not illegal?"
man someone's gotta pull a reverse uno on them and camp outside these clinics with those huge protest signs saying stuff like THEY ARE FRAUDS or THEY LIED ABOUT PROVIDING ABORTION HERE if this isn't being done already.
No, because they don't literally say that. What they do is put a certain color shirt on and reflective vests and stand at the gate with clipboards, waving cars to stop at the gate to sign in on the clipboard. But then BOOM. Surprise bitch! We're here to shit on you instead!
Dude, they used to bomb the university campus that I cooked at for 10 yrs. Every semester we would get notice that they were coming a week or so ahead. All staff were told they could stay home if that would upset them. Every god damn time I was short staffed and I don't even care if some just took it as a day of rest nicely placed in their lap, not my problem and I can rock a long ass shift on the line.
However I made a point of marching right up to them after my shift. They usually were being ignored by the passers by and so engaging me was just what they hoped for, until I unleashed. Listened first of course but just long enough to allow their own words to be the rope I used to hang them.
Starting with, where do you volunteer that assists orphans and foster children that were saved from abortion? What changes to the foster system are you fighting for? How is your outreach here affecting the orphaned and those in foster care? How many volunteer hours have you put in today, how many this year? What meaningful assistance has personally been given to orphans, orphanages or the foster children? How many at risk youth programs are you involved in?
Followed by generally asking passers by what they think of someone who is willing to hold anti abortion propaganda for an afternoon and has given X amount of time to foster children and orphans. Actively spending over an hour sharing their answers with those just going to and from class, students who happily chastised the activity of these activists. Often enough the head of their team would ask me to leave to which I happily pointed out that my freedom to express was as valid as theirs and ask if they wanted a security guard to come by, as I am campus staff and have them in my contacts. Then I'd open up to them that some 40 staff took the day off to avoid these activists, just another group of people like the foster children and orphans that they have shown disregard to by simply putting time and effort into this anti-abortion message instead of helping and caring for those who are hurting. That they seem very calloused to the fact that they bring a huge wake of events that they do not engage. Once I felt like I aired my grievances for the long shift I'd leave them with this. Foster kids are expected to have all there personal items fit into black garbage bags as they are moved through the system and no church group has bothered to do a thing about it, they are abandoned by the very people who preach that life is precious, people who have more things than can fit into black garbage bags. Fix that issue or admit your a hypocrite.
And with that I went home smiling. Moved on from chef life so I haven't had a chance in years. Maybe that'll be my goal this year, find some anti-abortion activists and give them my 2 cents.
Edit
Thanks for the kind words. Appreciated honestly but like I said I cooked for students on campus a *long time. Many fine cooks came from tough circumstances, needed a break coming in late and hung over, again. I shared this today because it still is a broken system today in 2021 as it was in 2004 when my eyes were first opened to the foster system realities. Always burned me seeing so many hold signs and no one could even get the foster system to afford these kids some luggage. Black garbage bags... Doesn't feel very good to admit that I've done very little though. I'm no hero. So I googled foster care reform and found this, seems a good place to start but open to suggestions. https://partnersforourchildren.org/resources/topics/foster-care
Where I went to high school there was a civics teacher who was religious and prolife. I remember when talking about Roe V. Wade he let some of his personal views come out while reading the decision and arguments. Him and his wife were foster parents, and adopted two children. He was pro-universal health care before it was ever talked about in the US. Thought it was a moral obligation Christians had along with feeding, clothing and housing the poor. He was anti-war, anti-nuclear proliferation, anti-death penalty and strongly anti-poverty.
When discussing the Supreme Court decision and the arguments the lawyers presented, he said that while he personally felt abortion was murder, it wasn't a classification that could be made legally. He had us go down slippery slope arguments of "could you abort a baby 2 weeks after it's born?" Or "Do you try to police the uterus and try to charge every woman who miscarriages with negligent homocide?" That was when I first learned how common miscarriages were. He did that to help explain why the court decided on the trimester model that they went with. He explained how women who were raped or were victims of incest would would often kill themselves instead of bring the baby to bear, and how virtually everyone in the US agreed that baring those women, or women whose lives were threatened biologically by pregnancy was seen universally in the US as the worse than abortion of two (and the reasons and polls behind it). He then explained how the 14th ammendment was interpreted that it wasn't O.K. to force the disclosure of the reasons behind abortion, so even if rape/incest/mother's life being in danger is a small percentage of total abortions, the government could not distinguish those abortions from the others.
He also showed us some statistics of women who died from and hospital wings filled with self-abortions or back-alley abortions.
He said his personal conclusion was making it illegal wouldn't change demand, only make it more dangerous and hurt more people. And that the best way to get rid of abortion was by making a world where having a child wasn't having a burden by making child care, health care and economic aid etc more readily available for everyone. While he didn't like contraceptives, he sill considered them the lesser of two evils when compared to abortion so figured they should be free and available to everyone.
Completely warped my view of what "pro-life" was. I assumed most pro-life people were like him. Working at their church food pantry on the weekends and all that bs. Nope. I have never met another pro-life person since then, only anti-choice people. I assume there are more pro-life people out there, maybe, but we only ever see or hear from the anti-choice people.
Oh jeez, I can imagine you going around like "I don't get the hate for pro choice people, they make a lot of sense" for a while before you ran into the vast majority of them
Yup. 100% I didn't get the hate for pro-life people before I met "pro-life" people. He did make a lot of sense. Prior to the deep dive on Roe V. Wade I was solidly in the pro-abortion camp. Just a collection of cells, why not use it as birth control etc. After, while he didn't sway me to a pro-life stance, I understood that it is a much more complicated moral, biological, social, legal, philosophical and political issue than I had thought. The idea of when personhood started, the court cases where the murders of pregnant women were charged as double homocides vs. the dystopian ramifications of starting personhood at conception.
Definitely put me in the pro-choice camp instead of the pro-abortion camp as I realized for many parents, miscarriage is losing a child and there is a ton of grey area where making the decision legally for every case and person is a mess.
I never understood how the same people who preach about life being sacred before a baby is born then have no interest in that child’s wellbeing after they are born. Eg the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools are don’t want to raise the minimum wage. They actively want these same lives that they save (and their mothers) to be in destitute poverty.
Because they don't get the cognitive dissonance between two of their stances:
1) Abortion is murder, so all kids must be born
and
2) The government should do as little as possible to help people, even/especially those who have no ability to help themselves and rely on others to survive.
I've tried to argue with these types of people that reducing taxes and privatizing health care means people just won't be able to afford it (like what we already have in the US), and a better method is to take the taxes and health care costs we're already paying, and make it actually work for everyone via Universal Healthcare. They refused to accept that if you lowered taxes, there would be people who couldn't afford health care; they seriously believed the only reason someone wouldn't go to the doctor is that they didn't prioritize their health. It's pure insanity.
The motive behind it is quite simple to understand.
It is the currently most effective method of producing maximally exploitable (cheap) labor for the capitalists. In short, an increase in Reserve army of labour.
This also explains why these politicians don't care at all what happens to the children after birth.
Because it’s not about protecting life it’s about controlling women and punishing them for having sex. Why is it than many so called pro lifers are in favour of the death penalty? Pro life is just a Trojan horse for female submission and control
It's literally just a culture of hating women. It goes all the way from the bottom up in conservative/christian culture. The wife submits to the husband, the woman must have an intact hymen at marriage or she's 'unclean,' periods are 'gross,' etc. It's indoctrinated into them from birth (I know, I was one) and not many have the critical thinking skills and willpower to logic their way out of that kind of backwards thinking. So they get shunned by society and the only people that will engage with them feel the same way. It would be sad if it wasn't deadly.
I just commented upthread about this; wish I'd seen your remark first. It's patriarchy in all its ugliness, a descendant of the Puritanical approach to Christianity in the west, and related to other fundamentalist viewpoints in every major religion.
Indonesia, for example, just announced THIS WEEK that they will no longer submit female military recruits to a two-fingered "virginity test."
I think it's rather easy: 1. they think abortion is murder. Stoping murderers is a really really important thing, it comes first. 2. in their eyes it's a certain demographic that gets abortions: poor, not married women. They don't want that people to have kids, not as long as their are not married. Of they make the life of poor/ single mothers hard they can punish them for their way of life, don't have to spend their money for other people and make the life of a poor/ single mother/ family so unappealing that that it scares people from doing things that might get them in that situation: (unprotected) sex before marriage.
Along the same lines I also never understood why the same people who are anti abortion also demand abstinence only education. If you are actually against abortions then why not promote safe sex education?
They want to punish poor people for being poor, they grow up in insulated wealthy communities who are deathly afraid of losing the tiniest amount of privilege and see poor people as a threat when they ask for things like increased minimum wage and expanded welfare because they believe it will come at the expense of their tax haven loopholes and free reign to take as they wish.
There's also the double bonus of punishing women for having sex when they should be married and obeying her good Christian husband.
Dude holy shit, vuvuzelas are the most annoying things in the world (besides these anti-abortion activists and antivaxxers). You're a genius and I implore everyone to buy a vuvuzela!
My best friend was a foster care kid, because his mom couldn't get an abortion, and was forced to try her best to raise a child she was mentally, physically, and financially too unwell to care for.
He went from house to house, getting continually traumatized by abusive foster homes mixed with getting sent back with his abusive family. He was sexually assaulted, starved and more in that system.
He ended his own life last year, just a few days after turning 19 and getting kicked out of his most recent foster home.
The adoption system is fucked, it cost one of the most amazing people I've ever met his life, and forcing a human being to have a child they cannot care for is immoral. There is no good that comes from it, people get abortions for a reason.
I remember when the religious weirdos would accost me in college. My favorite moment was the look on some poor girl's face when I said 'well who's to say your holy book is right and the others are wrong?' She was just blown away. Clearly had never considered that Muslims also think their holy book is true scripture. It cracks me up you can be a supposed 'child of god' and understand so few of his children.
I really don't like the idea of abortion, but like all these silly "My body my choice" antivax people I think freedom sides with abortion! Don't like it, but I get it!
In the EU you'd be able to sue them for vast amounts of money. The EU is starting to take Data protection VERY seriously for a few years now and medical data is especially sensitive (I work in medical IT, so I know a thing or two about what is necessary to work with that kind of data).
Gathering personal, especially medical, data under false pretenses can net you a 5 digit fine if you're unlucky.
I think technically not, as the check in desk wouldn't be a medical professional, but rather clerical staff.
However, the fact that they're impersonating a person who works directly with a doctor should (but likely doesn't by law) count. Frankly I think it's bullshit that it doesn't count, considering the end result would be the same.
I swear to god I am not a violent person but i think with things like this, it should be perfectly legal to slap that person once really hard and walk away.
Yeah... Honestly, I'm not saying we should go back to the medieval times, but people have such fucking audacity to do terrible shit today because they're basically free of any violent repercussions. Or if they do suffer them, the person gets put in prison, even if it was morally justified.
The worry is that it's hard to define the specific circumstances where violent responses are valid, and there are plenty of people who think that some tiny slight would be worth a fight over, and a lot more of those people carry guns than reasonable people who would only respond with force to extreme harassment.
For every service worker being harassed by a Karen to the point of tears, there's a Karen who thinks that a service worker saying "no you can't have her arrested for taking the last apple" is worth hurting them over, and while, for most circumstances, reasonable people would all agree, prejudice is a huge issue. What happens when someone assaults an autistic person because they had a meltdown and were incoherent, even though they weren't actually hurting or targeting anyone else (meltdowns often cause self harm, it's extremely rare, rarer than allistic people hurting people in regular tantrums, for an autistic person to actually target the people around them), and the fact that the autistic person can't look anyone in the eye makes everyone trust their assaulter? What happens when some black guy gets attacked at a rural gas station while driving cross country, and the majority of the people around him are racist assholes who want to go back to the days where black people could be lynched over any accusation?
I absolutely think it's morally justified to hurt the people who are actively harassing others. I don't think it would be to hunt them down since at that point, you can prevent further harm via other tactics, but in the moment? Yeah, punching them in the face is absolutely appropriate. But we have to treat any system as though it's going to be abused. Just as Jury nullification has protected as many, if not more, bigots who assaulted someone that the jury agrees is inferior than it has protected people charged with a crime that shouldn't be illegal.
Sounds like possible kidnapping with extra steps. What happens if a human grabbed you and physically prevented you from leaving, say, the grocery store? Might as well be kidnapping, idk what else it could fall under. Assault is one thing, preventing someone from leaving a place... What is that called?
Edit: false imprisonment as the person that replied to me has noted
Me and my Ex-Wife got taken in by one of these fake PP clinics.
My wife was spotting and we had the goal of going to a Planned Parenthood for some Prenatal care, as we were uninsured at the time (Pre-ACA).
When we went in they offered a Pregnancy test... we were fine with this, like... standard right? Want to make sure she's pregnant and such.
When in there the woman is like: "So... what are your plans?" and we're like: "Well.. we want to make sure there's nothing wrong with the pregnancy and that everything is progressing normally" - she then is like: "Oh... we're not a doctor's office we're just here to provide information."
I got pissed: "Wait, then why bother? We're here for care, that's why we came to Planned Parenthood - for prenatal care and a doc." - note, we made an appt and both took off of work for this...
I didn't even know what a fake PP was... but I was proper pissed off. She offered to refer us to a few other places, none of which were doctors, and I basically said, point blank: "The reason we came here, was that the symptoms she's showing, are frightening, concerning, and we don't want to miscarriage if we can prevent that. We're looking for a doctor who can specialize in pregnancy." - and we left with nothing.
2 weeks later she miscarried.
I blame the free clinic for slowing down the process of us finding a proper PP which could have handled our situation. Good job fake PP! You ended up killing a baby.
The place is still opened - I am still furious it is still opened.
That's so extra fucked up. These places are dangerous and make absolutely no impact on abortion like they think they do. Unreal that they are allowed to do this shit b
Is not, can we organize some kind of flash mob or DDOS? Like, have thousands of people go in and waste as much time as possible with their "information providers"? Maybe even have them all go in and make stupid puns? "Hey, I'm having trouble with my updog...."
There was a man, easily 80 years old, who would stand on the corner of a road right outside the city of the college I used to attend.
I saw him every time I drove past that corner. Every single day, at every time of the day, he was there. Equipped with a baby doll in a stroller and an 8ft sign, it was like this man was protesting for his life.
I felt bad for him. Especially since he was devoted to protesting a clinic that overall decreases the need for abortions, but provides them in a safe and sterile environment if necessary. I don't know if he realizes that these clinics will first compile all the resources they can to help you carry through with your pregnancy, and have stopped more abortions than he has.
They don't care. For them it's all about being righteous warriors for their god. All we can do is try to educate the young in the hopes that one day religion, at least fanatical religion, will be a relic of the past.
I went to a private Christian school from K-12 and I can definitively say that's how these belief systems are propogated: Getting to kids before they can properly develop their mental skills and trapping them in such beliefs.
My analogy has always been: Imagine an athletics facility that claims "Send kids to our programs and we'll teach them how to exercise, run, leap, etc!" So parents drop their children off, the employees lead them inside, knock them out, and surgically remove their legs. Then the children crawl out when the program is finished, and the employees go home to sleep soundly knowing they've brought joy and goodness to this evil world. That's about what such schools are for academics rather than athletics.
I despise such fundamentalist worldviews with a passion only intimate knowledge could inflame, but I can't help but feel a deep pity for those I grew up with (and people like them) even as they spout nonsense and insanity and vitriol. They were born in a casket.
There's an old guy who walks up and down the shoulder of a major road near me, always dragging a 10-foot cross. Actually dragging isn't the right word. It has little caster wheels on the bottom. But still he'll do it for a few hours at a time in the Texas heat. I don't know what he protesting or promoting but all I can ever think is "this did is fucking crazy."
In downtown Denver in the late 1990s/early 2000s there was an Abraham Lincoln cosplay weirdo on the 16th Street Mall that would be constantly loudmouthing against abortion as if it were his job.
Schools having staff that taught about planned parenthood and where to go to get counselling about their future were targetted a lot were I am from. We had school nurses who were all former military and the head nurse for our region was a former Marine who told any women protestor that if they wanted to discuss it with her personally, she'd be more than happy to have a brief conversation with them. One that was light on talking.
That lady endured a whole lot of entitled and arrogant stupidity but, not surprisingly, none of the Gyneth Paltrow following church going soccer moms wanted to push their luck with her face-to-face. And they knew they couldn't push their husbands to do it either (many of whom were former military as well) on planned parenthood or anything, including getting vaccinated.
These people aren't normal and we have to pretend that their speech is somehow sacred because slippery slope bullshit. We're so much better at recognizing cancer when we see it.. we need to outright ban this shit as well as disinformation. It's rediculous to think that people.are fighting tooth and nail to allow these people terrorize others
Their logic is simple. if you're going to PP, even for non abortion, you're doing something about your sexual health. Ergo, you're sexually active. Ergo, you're a whore.
The types that protest outside PP is the religious fanatics who think sex is not only for husbands and wives only, but also expressedly for procreation only.
It's a very sex negative mindset, and PP is antithesis to that mindset, doesn't matter whether abortion is ultimately involved or not.
It's so messed up. PP was that first clinic/doctors office I went to, that finally answered my questions and provided the information I needed to make my own informed consent about birth control. Not because I needed birth control per se, but because my periods were awful and painful and being a young adult woman who never wanted children who couldn't afford sterilization AND had limited insurance options... they did an amazing job at helping me find what works for me.
Shit like this really makes me consider volunteering as a clinic escort. I can't imagine how horrible that is to go through alone and I'm sorry you've had to deal with it.
That's the most backward shit to me. They protest outside ANY WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINIC not just ones that actually do abortions. I've even seen them at WIC once. Because their brains are like little peanuts rattling around in there.
So they're just stopping women getting prenatal care and medical care. They're not even protesting abortion.... JUST protesting medical care for women.
this is why I truly despise the people who protest outside of PP. only 10% of the services they do are abortions.
first time I went to PP was also for an STD test at 18/19 and I felt so uncomfortable that people were telling me I was going to hell (for an abortion) when they have ZERO idea what any of the women are actually going there for.
Friend had a lady hand her a clipboard on her way in for not an abortion, and asked for her name and address to "Make the process go quickly," and when she said "They usually do that inside," the lady flipped on a dime, spit on her, called her a baby killing slut and told her God doesn't love whores, he kills them.
I mean, put turbans on these people and God == Allah and you're more than half way through an ISIS recruitment tape.
The duplicity is disgusting, and they have the arrogance and audacity to think they are on the right side of morality.
It is the same kind of insidious duplicity I always encounter with Christians trying to convert me. The lies, the fake promises, the attempts to induce fear and guilt, the subtle indoctrination tactics, all designed to lure emotionally vulnerable people into their religion. It's dishonorable and disgusting.
What you don't realize is that they're against more than just abortion. Anything that promotes sexual health or sex positivity is of the devil, to them.
Sex is just for married people and JUST for making children in their small world.
I’m trans and get my HRT through planned parenthood. I frequently get harassed on my way in because they assume I’m getting an abortion when I don’t even have a uterus.
The worst part is, these people are also against contraceptives but at the same time, they don’t want to support the poor in society. It’s like they want to see more people suffer in society to feel better about themselves.
People react to suffering in one of two ways: "I don't want anyone else to suffer what I have", and "If I have to suffer, everyone else should suffer too".
My wife and I had to terminate for medical reasons, TFMR, a term I wish I knew never existed. It was a wanted child that was not well and had an unsurvivable condition, and my wife would only be risking her own health continuing to term. I’ll never forget the experience and how much worse protestors made it.
Luckily there is a back entrance and they aren’t allowed on it, but they get as close to the door as legally allowed and yell the entire time. They also play baby screams on the loud speaker. It’s horrible. I want to drive by and egg them sometime, ha.
I don't get how that's legal too. Protesting a organization is one thing, but targeted yelling and harassing of individuals wouldn't be accepted anywhere else.
My girlfriend (who is new to the US) when to a planned Parenthood to get an IUD inserted. She called me laughing about the "crazy white people" telling her they would adopt her baby. They continued even after she told them she wasn't pregnant.
11/10 joke man, I'm rolling over here picturing that. I watched that movie a lot growing up and always get a laugh out of the old man saying that if the movie comes to mind.
It's from the flashback when Sigourney Weaver's character is a little girl, digging holes with her insane grandfather. "Grandpa, I'm tired of diggin' these holes!" - "Well that's just too damn bad!"
Those crazy religious nut jobs are the same people saying god will protect them from Covid, but they still get taken to the hospital when they catch it, if it's god's will they should just stay home and expire.
Back in college I used to be a volunteer that escorted women into the clinics past all that shit. The whole idea was to terrorize those poor women, get their heart rates and blood pressure up so they wouldn’t be able to get the procedure. Our job was essentially to to escort them in, keep them focused on us, and try to keep things as calm as possible.
They only care about babies when they're attached to the mothers. It's more about controlling what women can do for many of them rather than it being about the fetus. People have gotten very angry with me for saying this but in my experience these exact same people are vehemently against social safety nets that would help families with small children so they can go fuck themselves.
They're also against birth control, which is the real tell. It's not about reducing the number of abortions, it's about the punishing of women for sex.
If they really wanted to actually reduce the number of abortions, they'd spend their time funding or delivery good quality sex education to teenagers and throwing condoms and contraceptive pills at anyone and everyone by the ton.
But noooooo, they're not doing that, are they? As that's not what they really want.
This has been my takeaway as well. They don't want to hear any shit on all of the many ways to address abortions as a problem. Their one and only answer is "stop having sex whore".
There are effective ways to reduce abortion numbers, most of which revolve around sex ed, increased welfare payments, better access to health care and better access to birth control. These fucks aren't out there protesting for universal basic income to lift women out of grinding poverty, or for better birth control, education and health care. They aren't at the other end, working to improve the foster system and state care. They just hate that women might be outside of the control of a man and / or might be having sex, those brazen hussies.
These are the fuckers that think The Handmaid's Tale is aspirational.
There are 400,000 children currently in foster care in the US alone.
Side note there are 380,000 churches in the US. All they have to do is adopt one child per church with the mega churches adopting 2-3 and this problem is solved. Hmm I wonder why they don’t do that…
Ps I do not wish religion forced on any child, I was merely pointing out that the church has a solution but chooses hatred and violence instead.
Some people are just wayyy to passionate about unborn fetuses
Best argument I've heard is this:
You're in a fertility clinic. It doesn't matter why. A fire breaks out. To your right, you hear a crying baby. To your left, you see a table full of IVF embryos, ready to be implanted and carried to a full term. The fire is raging and you have no time. Do you save the crying baby, leaving multiple embryos to be consumed in the fire or do you grab as many culture media as possible at the expense of a single child?
Of the 400,000 children in foster care in the US, approximately 120,000 are waiting to be adopted. Many of these kids will age out of the foster system without ever being adopted. Then, they're on their own.
But...these protesters don't want to help the already born, just the fetuses - they're less work! www.adoptuskids.org
There’s a private clinic in the UK near where I live that my friend wanted to go to for fertility treatment. The clinic also offered abortion services so naturally she was called every name under the sun.
One guy actually grabbed her so I pinned him down told him she was receiving fertility treatment to have a fucking family of her own and they all shut up and packed pretty sharpish. They were back two weeks later when she was going for treatment so me and my friends boyfriend accompanied her. The ending to that scenario was 1000x worse.
Same thing happened except the boyfriend pinned the guy up on the wall and threatened to wire his mouth shut while explaining what’s happening. I laughed when he said “we are literally doing the fucking opposite”. The protesters weren’t having any of it and tried to pull him off, big mistake he’s 6’4’’ and built like a brick shithouse and toppled all of them in a single push.
Then, one of the protesters broke in and accused everyone of being murderers proceeding to throw fake blood at everyone. My friends bf was soaked and he’s in the army suffering from PTSD - he was gone and knocked the guy out cold.
He then proceeded to slash the tyres of the van the protesters were using and made sure all of them got a share of the fake blood too.
Meanwhile, my friend was receiving the treatment and was completely blindsided when she came out of the office to find it caked in fake blood and her boyfriend wanting to throttle everyone.
He went AWOL but found him down the road head locking the main protester who thought it was a good idea to call him a “murdering nonce”. Again, knocked out cold.
He got a suspended sentence given the actions which caused his PTSD trigger and was ordered to seek help which he was already getting.
The protester was sentenced for 6-months after breaking his suspended sentence from a previous charge.
They used to protest in the highstreet where I lived. They had huge boards with bloody chunks of meat and babies covered in blood on them whilst they screamed at people. Terrifying children left and right ironically 🙄🙄🙄
I was just a kid when my folks had a booth at the state fair. I can’t remember what the booth was for, but right across was a huge -bigger than me- poster of a bunch of fetuses in a garbage can. (As an adult, I realize it was an anti-abortion booth)
I stared at that damn poster day after day for a week. I had no idea what I was looking at. I remember thinking “who took a big ass picture of a bunch of fucked up dirty baby dolls that got tossed out? Looks like a dog buried them in the backyard and they all melted in the sun.”
Yeah, but councils have the power to get them banned from a certain distance outside the building effectively putting a stop to it. This happened to one near where I live. Everyone was thrilled because the clinic was located in a residential are and these people where basically ruining the neighbourhood for anyone who lived there.
I don't get why some places have specific abortion clinics instead of just performing them at doctor's clinics or hospitals like most other medical procedures. That's what we do here in Denmark and I have never heard of an anti-abortion protest here. We absolutely have anti-abortion nutjobs of our own, they just run for parliament and fail to get the minimum required votes to get any seats instead of protesting.
We were, but some people have found they can get americans to pay a lot of money for them to form identical rightwing political groups here and push the same ideology.
I don’t think either of us lost too much sleep over that. I come from a very religious family so I just shrugged it off and got her Taco Bell to feel better haha. But sucks that this happens to people every day.
You would think if those people really cared about life they would be shouting “we love you” “you matter” “you have choices” instead of “whore”. They’d probably save a lot more babies that way and keep many of the mothers of those pregnancies from having any related mental health struggles from being bullied. I guarantee if those protestors were waiting with adoption pamphlets and names of families looking they’d get a much better response.
There are times when moral obligations trump legal rights. I would feel morally obligated to create a physical bar to entry for protests- if you aren't willing to be punched in the face, then you don't believe in your cause enough to protest here.
Right wingers think that abortions are all that Planned Parenthood does, but really they provide a great range of reproductive health services to men and women. They did my vasectomy for free.. I didn't see anyone yelling at me for that
I went to Planned Parenthood for a doctor confirmed pregnancy test and they said they just didn’t have the resources to give me one. I did pay to a private doctor, who confirmed I was pregnant. I went to the same planned parenthood to see if they could give me affordable prenatal care and they just directed me to apply for Medicaid. Medicaid lasted until my daughter was a born and a few months old, then it was tough shit. So much for pro life agenda.
Edit: literally the hour after I wrote this, my kid jumped too fast off her bed and broke her arm in the middle of the night. Cost a few hundred in insurance fees lol. Still glad I kept her, I love her so much. But, let this be a warning to those who don’t take birth control seriously enough! It figuratively and literally costs you.
So we actually went to an abortion clinic (I'm the guy) because we were having serious doubts about keeping the pregnancy. Anyway, the protestors were there calling everyone names and trying to guilt us and smite us at the same time, etc. It was so bad at this clinic, that they built a security fence around parking and had a guard escort us in. It felt like we were literally walking into a prison. It was a crazy experience, i couldn't imagine anyone doing it alone. Anywho, long story short, we decided to not do it, but I was young and vindictive, so I went to grocery store and bought some beef liver, walked up to the chanting crowd, and told them that if they wanted the unborn so bad, that they should keep it, and threw a chunk of bloody meat at their feet and I got the reaction that I wanted. But to this day my wife still thinks I'm idiot and I shouldn't have done it. And maybe she's right, and I do kinda feel bad, but deep down, I don't think I regret it as much as I tell myself. I think I feel worse for wasting a piece of a cow's life on terrible people more than anything. Because fuck those people.
I lived near a clinic in the US and they’d photograph the person, their car, the license plate, etc., and enter it in on a laptop.
People would call the cops who’d explain it’s totally legal to photograph people in public.
Later, it was revealed the protestors had people inside govt agencies who would run those plates and provide them with names and addresses. They’d then use public records and social media to identify, friends, relatives, employers, etc., and would send them letters to the effect of, “hey, did you know so-and-so is a baby killer?”
And they truly believed they were good people doing God’s work and making the world better.
If they really thought that it was like murder, they wouldn't just be screaming at people. If you believe that abortion is murder, then clinics are basically concentration camps, but without and barbed wire or armed guards.
And all they do is scream terrible things at women? Talk about no respect for human life.
They're not there for legitimate beliefs. They're just there to hate.
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u/slugsliveinmymouth 15d ago
I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.