I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.
I get screamed at every time I get an STD test. Or they have people out pretending to work for PP and telling people you have to check in with them at the gate then BOOM they give you anti abortion shit.
I'm like, bro. This location doesn't even offer abortions.
ETA: there sure are a lot of uneducated people in the comments who are absolutely baffled by the idea of routine testing and responsible sexual health. Y'all are the reason for the statistics. But I guess if you never get a test, you technically never have to disclose your status to your partner. 🤡
I remember a Last Week Tonight episode where they showed anti-abortion activists having set up similiarly named ”clinics” with very visible signs just about next door of the places people were actually looking for. They would then offer ”help” to those unfortunate enough to walk in.
I’m from Europe and my knowledge comes from a entertainment show, but i found it absolutely bonkers that those instances do not need to state that they do not offer abortions, and it’s A-OK to keep your customer thinking that you do. Just stringing somebody along who is probably a complete mess long enough that legal abortion is off the table.
This is true. And in the days when the Yellow Pages were how folks found out about local businesses, they would pay to be listed under “Abortion services.” These days they have to classify themselves as “pregnancy crisis centers” or something similar- which is better but not by much.
Their main thing is offering abortion (but never actually calling it that) at an insanely cheap price, then stringing the women along until it’s legally too late or they can convince her her body is not her own.
Yeah I read a girls story where the crisis center said they would help her and then one it was passed the mark where she could get an abortion in her state they abandoned her completely, and she was pregnant with twins. She said it ruined her life.
This is all about creating desperate people to exploit. American evangelical christianity has become heretical. If they were real Christian's theyd know Jesus is the kind of guy who would spend all day braiding a whip so he could beat the shit out of Christian's like these.
Take a look at Poland, they've gone the other way.
We have abortion clinics in the Czech Republic now that only employ Polish speakers and serve only Polish women who have crossed the border to get help
I've often thought maybe these unwanted babies are more likely to end up as cannon fodder for the military or slave labour within the prison system.
I'm a very pragmatic person, every child born is another drain on the world's limited resources, another consumer and contributor to pollution - as we all are. Why bring an unwanted person into the world? Life is tough enough when you're loved and wanted by your parents, let alone when you're not.
Anyway, abortion is supported in the Bible if you look at the "trial of the bitter water" which was supposed to make a woman miscarry if she was pregnant as a result of adultery- Numbers 5:11-31.
You know why it’s in the Bible that way? Because like today nobody is going to raise and take care of a child that’s not their own. Pretty smart in my book.
IIRC, one of the reasons they call it a 'crisis pregnancy center' is because in the days before abortions were legal, every ER had a dedicated ICU for catastrophic pregnancy complications resulting from attempted at-home abortions. These were for injuries from women who had tried to perform their own abortions with coat hangers, pills, and chemicals. People who had tried to douche with bleach or other strong solvents or had poisoned themselves with things in order to prevent their pregnancies.
People these days don't remember those horrors because Roe v. Wade was roughly 50 years ago; thankfully we haven't needed those sorts of dedicated ICUs anymore.
Yep, coworker was promised all this help post birth and they gave her a package of diapers and that was it, no more help after that. Horrible people that do that to pregnant women.
Your missing the entire point of responsibility and accountability. I’m not against abortions but I understand why people are upset about it. Yeah it’s not the babies fault you decided to have sex and it is a bad choice to be very sexual and not have a stable income. My mom had my sister at 16 and then me at 23. My sister was unplanned but she made it through and we all live good.
So your saying that when a young person is irresponsible and lacks accounting (as a young person once, we tend to be that way), what will really make them responsible and accountable is forcing them to raise a child they never intended to have with no income and little support?
Okay so if a kid murders someone do we force them to serve full time or the death penalty? Or do we teach them better and send them back where they started.
We take a proactive steps to enable them for success in the first place, and were they and we as a society fail, we correct for future generations.
If they murdered for food, why did we let them starve to the point they killed someone? Who is more evil, the one who killed for food, or the one who did not share his food to avoid a killing?
Same thing can be applied to all cases. Understand, and then you have the answer. Then you can take action.
The people who set these kinds of scams up should be legally liable for sending monetary support into raising the children they've helped bring into this world. That'll get them shut down extremely quick.
More likely they'll just declare bankruptcy and reorganized under a new business name. That's what Randall Terry (forced birth terrorist) did when Planned Parenthood won a huge a civil case against him, he declared bankruptcy so PP couldn't collect.
Actually, I think that everyone who protests outside an abortion clinic should be made to pay an extra tax to support the financial upkeep of children from parents who can't afford to feed them. They should be GLAD to do so.
They don't give a fuck about the baby after it's born though. If they actually cared about babies, they would want to help the babies!
I'm all for lowering abortion rates by providing free child care and food. If you actually want to lower abortion rates, reducing social stigma about being single mum, and helping them financially and with childcare will do far more than their current tactics. They don't want to prevent abortion, they want to punish women.
They’re more concerned with it being alive than fed I suppose. It’s unfortunate, but our civilization isn’t constructed in a way that helps people in need.
The thing is, they don’t actually care about babies or even about lowering rates of abortion. There are so many reasonable, legal, easy ways to reduce abortion rates and pro life advocates don’t care to act on those ways; they simply want to cling to the moral superiority they believe their ideological position grants them.
I’ve talked to multiple pro life people about how my body is physically incapable of carrying a healthy fetus to term, and how much effort I’ve put into avoiding an accidental pregnancy. However if I were to be impregnated against my will, those people would want me to attempt to carry a malnourished, damaged fetus to term (which would more likely end in a miscarriage) to satisfy the rigid rules of their ideology, even though the most likely outcome from that is two deaths and the definite outcome is one death. They actually 100% don’t care that I and any fetus inside me would die, they still wouldn’t give me access to abortion unless maybe I was literally in the hospital dying right in front of a doctor.
THEY JUST DONT ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PEOPLE, “UNBORN” OR ALREADY BORN. WE COULD ALL DIE IN CHILDBIRTH AND ALL OUR OUR FETUSES COULD BE UNVIABLE AND ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS THEY CAN GAIN BY CLAIMING THEY ARE ON THE SIDE AGAINST “KILLING BABIES.”
I’m not saying some of them aren’t nuts, I’m just saying morality is subjective and life has no intrinsic value, so from their perspective they have an obvious moral high ground.
They aren’t “trying to save children,” even if that’s what they claim and/or believe they are doing.
They think they have the moral high ground bc they genuinely believe that women were put on this earth by god to serve as breeders for men. There is no way to argue with someone who believes you are biologically inferior and born to be a gestational slave. We need to make sure their religious insanity is never the source of legislative decision making. I don’t care what they think is murder, I care that they are infringing on my and every woman’s human rights. Their ideology is rooted firmly in the oppression of women. All that matters is making sure they can’t oppress. And being honest about what the root of their ideology truly holds is vital to the conversation.
You’re right that they believe they have moral high ground but the reality doesn’t fit that because they don’t do anything to help these babies after they’re born. Because of that, they’re all nuts with delusions of having moral high ground.
They don’t believe they have the moral high ground, they believe they have a moral obligation. And besides, the USA (and presumably other countries) have extremely individualistic cultures, so the idea of “giving someone something” isn’t really approved of. Look at it this way; our welfare system’s so tight that it’s almost unusable, but our tax system’s full of holes. It’s fine to not give, but not to take.
It is, and that’s why I started a petition to shut down Yelp.
The problem I have is everyone’s acting like they’re nut jobs being crazy for no good reason. What they are is people with different opinions acting in a way that’s highly moral based upon their beliefs.
So many people have been explaining to you that while pro life ppl THINK they are behaving morally, their morals are inconsistent, incoherent, and they aren’t actually acting in ways that align with the morals they claim they are standing for. If they actually stood by those morals, all of their activism would be entirely different from the terrorism and ethics violation they’ve been doing.
Duplicity and lies are part of their tactics. They justify it by saying they are fighting for fetuses and god. For god, anything goes. They are the kind of people who are so convinced they are right, they are willing to do heinous things for it.
This is why I'm convinced the next rise of fascism will be in America. These people operate with impunity and they have the most powerful propaganda machine in the country. Imagine people like that controlling the most powerful military in the world with thousands of nukes.
How do they set up right next to the clinic they're actually looking for though? They just rent the suite next to them?
Either way, yeah that's incredibly scummy and obviously not legitimate. That would be trashy if it wasn't a medical practice. But the fact that it is elevates it to "why tf is this not illegal?"
man someone's gotta pull a reverse uno on them and camp outside these clinics with those huge protest signs saying stuff like THEY ARE FRAUDS or THEY LIED ABOUT PROVIDING ABORTION HERE if this isn't being done already.
The PPs in NYC all have security and a bunch of workers outside as protection for patients. This is in a city that has such a low risk for threats from anti-abortionists.
No, because they don't literally say that. What they do is put a certain color shirt on and reflective vests and stand at the gate with clipboards, waving cars to stop at the gate to sign in on the clipboard. But then BOOM. Surprise bitch! We're here to shit on you instead!
Dude, they used to bomb the university campus that I cooked at for 10 yrs. Every semester we would get notice that they were coming a week or so ahead. All staff were told they could stay home if that would upset them. Every god damn time I was short staffed and I don't even care if some just took it as a day of rest nicely placed in their lap, not my problem and I can rock a long ass shift on the line.
However I made a point of marching right up to them after my shift. They usually were being ignored by the passers by and so engaging me was just what they hoped for, until I unleashed. Listened first of course but just long enough to allow their own words to be the rope I used to hang them.
Starting with, where do you volunteer that assists orphans and foster children that were saved from abortion? What changes to the foster system are you fighting for? How is your outreach here affecting the orphaned and those in foster care? How many volunteer hours have you put in today, how many this year? What meaningful assistance has personally been given to orphans, orphanages or the foster children? How many at risk youth programs are you involved in?
Followed by generally asking passers by what they think of someone who is willing to hold anti abortion propaganda for an afternoon and has given X amount of time to foster children and orphans. Actively spending over an hour sharing their answers with those just going to and from class, students who happily chastised the activity of these activists. Often enough the head of their team would ask me to leave to which I happily pointed out that my freedom to express was as valid as theirs and ask if they wanted a security guard to come by, as I am campus staff and have them in my contacts. Then I'd open up to them that some 40 staff took the day off to avoid these activists, just another group of people like the foster children and orphans that they have shown disregard to by simply putting time and effort into this anti-abortion message instead of helping and caring for those who are hurting. That they seem very calloused to the fact that they bring a huge wake of events that they do not engage. Once I felt like I aired my grievances for the long shift I'd leave them with this. Foster kids are expected to have all there personal items fit into black garbage bags as they are moved through the system and no church group has bothered to do a thing about it, they are abandoned by the very people who preach that life is precious, people who have more things than can fit into black garbage bags. Fix that issue or admit your a hypocrite.
And with that I went home smiling. Moved on from chef life so I haven't had a chance in years. Maybe that'll be my goal this year, find some anti-abortion activists and give them my 2 cents.
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Thanks for the kind words. Appreciated honestly but like I said I cooked for students on campus a *long time. Many fine cooks came from tough circumstances, needed a break coming in late and hung over, again. I shared this today because it still is a broken system today in 2021 as it was in 2004 when my eyes were first opened to the foster system realities. Always burned me seeing so many hold signs and no one could even get the foster system to afford these kids some luggage. Black garbage bags... Doesn't feel very good to admit that I've done very little though. I'm no hero. So I googled foster care reform and found this, seems a good place to start but open to suggestions. https://partnersforourchildren.org/resources/topics/foster-care
Where I went to high school there was a civics teacher who was religious and prolife. I remember when talking about Roe V. Wade he let some of his personal views come out while reading the decision and arguments. Him and his wife were foster parents, and adopted two children. He was pro-universal health care before it was ever talked about in the US. Thought it was a moral obligation Christians had along with feeding, clothing and housing the poor. He was anti-war, anti-nuclear proliferation, anti-death penalty and strongly anti-poverty.
When discussing the Supreme Court decision and the arguments the lawyers presented, he said that while he personally felt abortion was murder, it wasn't a classification that could be made legally. He had us go down slippery slope arguments of "could you abort a baby 2 weeks after it's born?" Or "Do you try to police the uterus and try to charge every woman who miscarriages with negligent homocide?" That was when I first learned how common miscarriages were. He did that to help explain why the court decided on the trimester model that they went with. He explained how women who were raped or were victims of incest would would often kill themselves instead of bring the baby to bear, and how virtually everyone in the US agreed that baring those women, or women whose lives were threatened biologically by pregnancy was seen universally in the US as the worse than abortion of two (and the reasons and polls behind it). He then explained how the 14th ammendment was interpreted that it wasn't O.K. to force the disclosure of the reasons behind abortion, so even if rape/incest/mother's life being in danger is a small percentage of total abortions, the government could not distinguish those abortions from the others.
He also showed us some statistics of women who died from and hospital wings filled with self-abortions or back-alley abortions.
He said his personal conclusion was making it illegal wouldn't change demand, only make it more dangerous and hurt more people. And that the best way to get rid of abortion was by making a world where having a child wasn't having a burden by making child care, health care and economic aid etc more readily available for everyone. While he didn't like contraceptives, he sill considered them the lesser of two evils when compared to abortion so figured they should be free and available to everyone.
Completely warped my view of what "pro-life" was. I assumed most pro-life people were like him. Working at their church food pantry on the weekends and all that bs. Nope. I have never met another pro-life person since then, only anti-choice people. I assume there are more pro-life people out there, maybe, but we only ever see or hear from the anti-choice people.
Oh jeez, I can imagine you going around like "I don't get the hate for pro choice people, they make a lot of sense" for a while before you ran into the vast majority of them
Yup. 100% I didn't get the hate for pro-life people before I met "pro-life" people. He did make a lot of sense. Prior to the deep dive on Roe V. Wade I was solidly in the pro-abortion camp. Just a collection of cells, why not use it as birth control etc. After, while he didn't sway me to a pro-life stance, I understood that it is a much more complicated moral, biological, social, legal, philosophical and political issue than I had thought. The idea of when personhood started, the court cases where the murders of pregnant women were charged as double homocides vs. the dystopian ramifications of starting personhood at conception.
Definitely put me in the pro-choice camp instead of the pro-abortion camp as I realized for many parents, miscarriage is losing a child and there is a ton of grey area where making the decision legally for every case and person is a mess.
I never understood how the same people who preach about life being sacred before a baby is born then have no interest in that child’s wellbeing after they are born. Eg the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools are don’t want to raise the minimum wage. They actively want these same lives that they save (and their mothers) to be in destitute poverty.
Because they don't get the cognitive dissonance between two of their stances:
1) Abortion is murder, so all kids must be born
and
2) The government should do as little as possible to help people, even/especially those who have no ability to help themselves and rely on others to survive.
I've tried to argue with these types of people that reducing taxes and privatizing health care means people just won't be able to afford it (like what we already have in the US), and a better method is to take the taxes and health care costs we're already paying, and make it actually work for everyone via Universal Healthcare. They refused to accept that if you lowered taxes, there would be people who couldn't afford health care; they seriously believed the only reason someone wouldn't go to the doctor is that they didn't prioritize their health. It's pure insanity.
The motive behind it is quite simple to understand.
It is the currently most effective method of producing maximally exploitable (cheap) labor for the capitalists. In short, an increase in Reserve army of labour.
This also explains why these politicians don't care at all what happens to the children after birth.
Because it’s not about protecting life it’s about controlling women and punishing them for having sex. Why is it than many so called pro lifers are in favour of the death penalty? Pro life is just a Trojan horse for female submission and control
It's literally just a culture of hating women. It goes all the way from the bottom up in conservative/christian culture. The wife submits to the husband, the woman must have an intact hymen at marriage or she's 'unclean,' periods are 'gross,' etc. It's indoctrinated into them from birth (I know, I was one) and not many have the critical thinking skills and willpower to logic their way out of that kind of backwards thinking. So they get shunned by society and the only people that will engage with them feel the same way. It would be sad if it wasn't deadly.
I just commented upthread about this; wish I'd seen your remark first. It's patriarchy in all its ugliness, a descendant of the Puritanical approach to Christianity in the west, and related to other fundamentalist viewpoints in every major religion.
Indonesia, for example, just announced THIS WEEK that they will no longer submit female military recruits to a two-fingered "virginity test."
I think it's rather easy: 1. they think abortion is murder. Stoping murderers is a really really important thing, it comes first. 2. in their eyes it's a certain demographic that gets abortions: poor, not married women. They don't want that people to have kids, not as long as their are not married. Of they make the life of poor/ single mothers hard they can punish them for their way of life, don't have to spend their money for other people and make the life of a poor/ single mother/ family so unappealing that that it scares people from doing things that might get them in that situation: (unprotected) sex before marriage.
Along the same lines I also never understood why the same people who are anti abortion also demand abstinence only education. If you are actually against abortions then why not promote safe sex education?
They want to punish poor people for being poor, they grow up in insulated wealthy communities who are deathly afraid of losing the tiniest amount of privilege and see poor people as a threat when they ask for things like increased minimum wage and expanded welfare because they believe it will come at the expense of their tax haven loopholes and free reign to take as they wish.
There's also the double bonus of punishing women for having sex when they should be married and obeying her good Christian husband.
Usually the well off families raise their kids to not screw around so stupidly to have a kid. “They believe” is just a way for you saying I have no idea what they mean that’s just my opinion.
the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools
and they vehemently support and push the death penalty, going so far to have their poisons hand-made because the pharmaceutical companies that make the real thing refuse to sell to GOP death camps.
Dude holy shit, vuvuzelas are the most annoying things in the world (besides these anti-abortion activists and antivaxxers). You're a genius and I implore everyone to buy a vuvuzela!
My best friend was a foster care kid, because his mom couldn't get an abortion, and was forced to try her best to raise a child she was mentally, physically, and financially too unwell to care for.
He went from house to house, getting continually traumatized by abusive foster homes mixed with getting sent back with his abusive family. He was sexually assaulted, starved and more in that system.
He ended his own life last year, just a few days after turning 19 and getting kicked out of his most recent foster home.
The adoption system is fucked, it cost one of the most amazing people I've ever met his life, and forcing a human being to have a child they cannot care for is immoral. There is no good that comes from it, people get abortions for a reason.
I remember when the religious weirdos would accost me in college. My favorite moment was the look on some poor girl's face when I said 'well who's to say your holy book is right and the others are wrong?' She was just blown away. Clearly had never considered that Muslims also think their holy book is true scripture. It cracks me up you can be a supposed 'child of god' and understand so few of his children.
I really don't like the idea of abortion, but like all these silly "My body my choice" antivax people I think freedom sides with abortion! Don't like it, but I get it!
The sad issue is, your actually playing into the hands of the church. At some level they recognize that no amount of protesting will end abortions. But, if they send there members out, and they are ignored, yelled at, fought with, or any other typical behavior, all day, every day, it'll but up some anger in the church member. Then, they come into the safe loving arms of their church community. They get to talc about how man everyone was. Commiserate over the lost babies. And their church solidifies their hold on the individual.
You say that but I actually don't think those persons will ever change. They'll flee to parents and church groups always and they will get told it's just bad old sinners. Fuck them. I couldn't care less about them but when they try to impose that view in public I'm not happy. When that public protest is directly impacting my kitchen and my staff I am pissed. Impact my customers/client and I will show the rage of a chef who worked 1,000 tickets by noon without hesitation. Not because the protestors needed to hear it but because the foster home my prep cook went through left scars I noticed, because my front of house manager has done years of therapy to work through her past. Because countless customers mentioned the protest signs and it's affect on them. Happily I'll be seen by my peers, subordinates and clientele chastising the idiocy that came to visit. To stand with my kitchen against this mental assault is a duty I took with pride. If that man-god they love was actually something they took seriously perhaps they would be more loving and helpful to the prostitutes and unhoused population, until then they're hypocrites without merit. Fuck them and the doom they preach.
Oh believe m me, they deserve all the grief. They deserve people handling out anti-cult pamphlets and harassing their church members every Sunday. They deserve to be identified at their places of business and called out as the hateful beings they are. They deserve to be treated the way they think they are with their holy warrior victim complex. It won't ever change their minds though.
Dude, they used to bomb the university campus that I cooked at for 10 yrs. Every semester we would get notice that they were coming a week or so ahead.
Man, you had that whole wall of text and never once talked about the repeated bombings you dropped in the first sentence. Talk about burying the lead.
Well there was a bus loop with a plaza between two of the main buildings and that's where they were in a group of 20-30, half holding signs and half with pamphlets. So if I didn't start at 6 and was a student I'd either arrive on bus to fetus signs or be leaving one of those buildings and stumble into some stupid smiling "pamphlet hands" waving paper by your fingers and quickly chattering. So no literal bombs, as you pointed out but a rather bothersome jolt of an experience or way to express an opinion.
Read the edit. Not afraid to admit my involvement was low. Did find a resource I linked in the edit and am a volunteer at the soup kitchen since its fun to play with big equipment for me. So gonna try and do more in that avenue for certain. There was a sort of knowing though, after all the years. More than a few call outs in all departments was inevitable and my salty day had a fair bit of steam that felt good to let out. In my eyes they volunteered to do a whole show and in the wake of that I was effected and thus the self justification.
have you shared or published your list of questions somewhere? I bet that would be a pretty valuable resource for people fielding these protestors all over.
Do you know how many foster kids I trained and gave a chance knowing they were struggling with addictions and trying to afford rent? Late for work hung over, again... Do you even know the rage of ten hour day flipping breakfast to lunch and then setting dinner? Short handed?
This is such a bizzarre, desperate argument comng from someone who knows she's on the side of abject evil. It doesn't get much more evil than killing children. No one's asking you to raise them, no one's asking you to be a parent, no one's asking you to stay with them, people are just asking you to not kill them. Really, the absolute bare minimum for being a decent human being. And you take mortal offense at that. What does that say about you?
I mean, read your post over again. You are quite literally arguing for eugenics. "It's okay to kill babies because foster life can be hard." "It's okay to kill babies because they might grow up to be criminals!" "It's okay to kill babies because they might grow up to be poor!" What the fuck, man? Talk about mask off.
It's more about putting money where the mouth is. If they care so much as to stand with signs at a campus that has to warn staff that graphic images will be along their travel to work then maybe they don't see how actions have consequences. As I vehemently believe that advocating a cause deserves being ready for confrontation it was most often that these sign holders expressed they didn't have any involvement in any other programs for children or youth outreach if it wasn't church related.
But you realize that argument doesn't work at all, right? You're probably opposed to rape, armed robbery, kidnapping, and arson. Now imagine a rapist, armed robber, kidnapper, or arsonist smugly telling you that you can't morally oppose those things because you haven't personally devoted your life to being a counselor, cop, investigator, or firefighter. That's nonsense. That person knows what they're doing is wrong but rather than self-reflect and stop doing it they're just trying to shift the blame onto you for not personally stopping them.
Also, if pictures of abortions make you uncomfortable then maybe you're not as okay with it as you pretend to be. We all like to think if we'd been around during slavery or the Holocaust or some other such normalized atrocity we'd have had the courage to fight it, even if it were legal and socially-accepted and condoned by all sorts of respected, intelligent, and otherwise well-seeming doctors and scientists and academics. Good news: here's your chance.
Bro…noone read your whole bullshit excuse as to why you think it’s okay to murder babies…shut the fuck up and own up to the baby you create…you fucking pussy
In the EU you'd be able to sue them for vast amounts of money. The EU is starting to take Data protection VERY seriously for a few years now and medical data is especially sensitive (I work in medical IT, so I know a thing or two about what is necessary to work with that kind of data).
Gathering personal, especially medical, data under false pretenses can net you a 5 digit fine if you're unlucky.
You realize that many forms of assault are literally misdemeanors you can get a ticket for right? I'm not talking about ruining my own life. I'm just talking about making them think twice before they do it again.
There scheme is more sinister than that with the clipboards. They are known to take down names and license plate numbers and use their contacts within state DMV's to get home addresses and then use that information to terrorize the patients through the mail by sending them horrific pictures of "aborted" fetuses and propaganda.
I mean they aren't kidnapping you. All they're doing is pretending to be necessary for your appointment. They don't make you do anything and that's their defense: they didn't force you to do or not do anything. Once you figure out who they are, you tell them to fuck off then you enter the parking lot. They never technically go on the premisis and they haven't touched anyone or prevented anyone from entering. They are immoral and unethical but have technically not done anything illegal.
And they WANT PP to needlessly waste money on court proceedings. They'd fucking love that. PP is doing exactly what they should: ignoring them and having their staff tell people they don't need to stop at the gate.
They want you to consider choosing to keep the baby and will give you more options and information than PP because PP profits from aborted fetal tissue. I wouldn’t consider that shitting on someone.
What a schmuck. THE LOCATION DOESNT EVEN OFFER ABORTIONS, TED. No one driving through the gate could possibly be there for an abortion, you soggy fucking potato.
I think technically not, as the check in desk wouldn't be a medical professional, but rather clerical staff.
However, the fact that they're impersonating a person who works directly with a doctor should (but likely doesn't by law) count. Frankly I think it's bullshit that it doesn't count, considering the end result would be the same.
I swear to god I am not a violent person but i think with things like this, it should be perfectly legal to slap that person once really hard and walk away.
Yeah... Honestly, I'm not saying we should go back to the medieval times, but people have such fucking audacity to do terrible shit today because they're basically free of any violent repercussions. Or if they do suffer them, the person gets put in prison, even if it was morally justified.
The worry is that it's hard to define the specific circumstances where violent responses are valid, and there are plenty of people who think that some tiny slight would be worth a fight over, and a lot more of those people carry guns than reasonable people who would only respond with force to extreme harassment.
For every service worker being harassed by a Karen to the point of tears, there's a Karen who thinks that a service worker saying "no you can't have her arrested for taking the last apple" is worth hurting them over, and while, for most circumstances, reasonable people would all agree, prejudice is a huge issue. What happens when someone assaults an autistic person because they had a meltdown and were incoherent, even though they weren't actually hurting or targeting anyone else (meltdowns often cause self harm, it's extremely rare, rarer than allistic people hurting people in regular tantrums, for an autistic person to actually target the people around them), and the fact that the autistic person can't look anyone in the eye makes everyone trust their assaulter? What happens when some black guy gets attacked at a rural gas station while driving cross country, and the majority of the people around him are racist assholes who want to go back to the days where black people could be lynched over any accusation?
I absolutely think it's morally justified to hurt the people who are actively harassing others. I don't think it would be to hunt them down since at that point, you can prevent further harm via other tactics, but in the moment? Yeah, punching them in the face is absolutely appropriate. But we have to treat any system as though it's going to be abused. Just as Jury nullification has protected as many, if not more, bigots who assaulted someone that the jury agrees is inferior than it has protected people charged with a crime that shouldn't be illegal.
Back in the day you mentioned when they lynched black people was called mob rule. People that felt they were doing the justice then and there off the smallest slight. Careful what you say. Harassment is not enough to get violent and if it is we might as well not have law.
Sounds like possible kidnapping with extra steps. What happens if a human grabbed you and physically prevented you from leaving, say, the grocery store? Might as well be kidnapping, idk what else it could fall under. Assault is one thing, preventing someone from leaving a place... What is that called?
Edit: false imprisonment as the person that replied to me has noted
You know what else is fucked up? Killing unborn humans. Not that I agree with what protesters do outside abortion clinics because there are absolutely better ways to debate one’s point, but in these circumstances there is one significantly more fucked up action.
People should just focus on living their own life and quit trying to control other people's lives. All these protestors have their own problems they should work on.
There are clearly acceptable times to abort a fetus so the decision should be addressed by the doctor and the patient.
What are you gonna do anyways? God said he'd judge right, so fuck off and live your own life. Aren't you afraid God might not approve of bullying anyways? No one saved but by the grace of Christ, well I sure hope he's forgiving when the maniacs stand before him.
I'm sure he'll be like, "oh yeah all your infidelities and drug problems and money problems and child abuse and you didn't bring anyone into the gospel, but all that's okay because you made a pregnant woman cry"
Wait, that doesn't sound like the Jesus from the bible at all, you're all fucking screwed bro
And a human baby’s body is not the mother’s either 🤷🏻♂️ and so much for civil discourse lmao. this is why I only get on Reddit once a year. Garbage people with garbage opinions 😂
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u/slugsliveinmymouth 15d ago
I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.