I never understood how the same people who preach about life being sacred before a baby is born then have no interest in that child’s wellbeing after they are born. Eg the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools are don’t want to raise the minimum wage. They actively want these same lives that they save (and their mothers) to be in destitute poverty.
Because they don't get the cognitive dissonance between two of their stances:
1) Abortion is murder, so all kids must be born
and
2) The government should do as little as possible to help people, even/especially those who have no ability to help themselves and rely on others to survive.
I've tried to argue with these types of people that reducing taxes and privatizing health care means people just won't be able to afford it (like what we already have in the US), and a better method is to take the taxes and health care costs we're already paying, and make it actually work for everyone via Universal Healthcare. They refused to accept that if you lowered taxes, there would be people who couldn't afford health care; they seriously believed the only reason someone wouldn't go to the doctor is that they didn't prioritize their health. It's pure insanity.
I can’t find another source besides wiki but it’s all accurate because I saw the plans back when he was in office. Other sites are talking about today’s plan and the ones that did talk about trumps was not completed. The conclusion of this is that Trump in fact did have slot of infrastructure plans mostly targeting energy, roads, and bridges. Cyber Security and border security was also at the top since we know a lot about hackers and drug smuggling now that joe is here. Whenever he made one the Democrats who controlled the house and even some flip flop republicans caused it not to pass.
The motive behind it is quite simple to understand.
It is the currently most effective method of producing maximally exploitable (cheap) labor for the capitalists. In short, an increase in Reserve army of labour.
This also explains why these politicians don't care at all what happens to the children after birth.
Kycb is explaining the historical purpose of the political position. It's easy to listen to these assholes and see why they're against women's reproductive autonomy, but it's also important to find out why this position has been supported throughout history.
And yes those politicians want votes. They also work for factions of the ruling class that benefit from large amounts of value created by laborers that have poverty imposed upon them.
There are purposes behind why the world is as it is.
Those are puppets. They got brainwashed to do the dirty work of politicians. Or some could get paid to do so. What do they care? They really don’t know shit.
There's no way the kind of people who are vehemently protesting at clinics thinking about "the reserve army of labor".
I never claimed that either. Bluntly speaking the actual protesters here are simply the useful idiots.
And politicians just want their votes.
Yes and no, this alone cannot answer why of all things this wedge issue has been cultivated by the capitalist elite. The expansion of the army of labor represents a possible motivation here as u/blackpharaoh69 explains well.
Because it’s not about protecting life it’s about controlling women and punishing them for having sex. Why is it than many so called pro lifers are in favour of the death penalty? Pro life is just a Trojan horse for female submission and control
It's literally just a culture of hating women. It goes all the way from the bottom up in conservative/christian culture. The wife submits to the husband, the woman must have an intact hymen at marriage or she's 'unclean,' periods are 'gross,' etc. It's indoctrinated into them from birth (I know, I was one) and not many have the critical thinking skills and willpower to logic their way out of that kind of backwards thinking. So they get shunned by society and the only people that will engage with them feel the same way. It would be sad if it wasn't deadly.
I’ve had 3 years long term before. A 2 year and a 1 year. It’s just objective that nobody wants to do that on a period. Exceptions do not make the rules. It’s blood, it’s actually rotten blood that sits in someone’s ovaries.
I just commented upthread about this; wish I'd seen your remark first. It's patriarchy in all its ugliness, a descendant of the Puritanical approach to Christianity in the west, and related to other fundamentalist viewpoints in every major religion.
Indonesia, for example, just announced THIS WEEK that they will no longer submit female military recruits to a two-fingered "virginity test."
I read about that this morning and had a hard time actually believing it. Holy shit dude, it's 2021. I really thought we'd have eliminated these issues by now when I was a kid :(
I'm sad to say this but crap like this is common in more places than many of us, including me, want to acknowledge. Honor killings, anti abortion laws, virginity tests; all merely checkpoints along a continuum of abhorrent, antiquated beliefs and behaviors. It's a giant shit sandwich. Ugh.
As an aside, I've spent a great deal of time in Indonesia, from Medan to Bali. Some of the nicest people you'll find, but some of the strangest notions of life as well.
Why are you interfering in other peoples culture? You believe it’s wrong just like a Christian would argue in your own culture that somethings wrong. It’s not all about you. Same shit different toilet tbh.
I think it's rather easy: 1. they think abortion is murder. Stoping murderers is a really really important thing, it comes first. 2. in their eyes it's a certain demographic that gets abortions: poor, not married women. They don't want that people to have kids, not as long as their are not married. Of they make the life of poor/ single mothers hard they can punish them for their way of life, don't have to spend their money for other people and make the life of a poor/ single mother/ family so unappealing that that it scares people from doing things that might get them in that situation: (unprotected) sex before marriage.
Along the same lines I also never understood why the same people who are anti abortion also demand abstinence only education. If you are actually against abortions then why not promote safe sex education?
because sex before marriage is bad. if you only have sex in your marriage (and you don't divorce) and want as much children as it's god's will, what do you need safe sex education for? (additionally nothing protects you from STD and pregnancies as good as complete abstinence)
I think some forget and ignore it. Others know about it and consider those couples murderers. Who murders babys is not that important, that they murder them is the only thing relevant. so we are again at point 1: they want to prevent murders from happening. Everything they do makes sense, as long as you agree on abortion = murdering babys. which I don't agree, just to make that clear.
Yeah, especially the way diseases and viruses spread nowadays. Half the people I know have had crabs, gono or the clap and that’s bad. Like we live in medieval times. Kids do not wear protection even though they know they are suppose to. Reasons are because they are lazy to get one, or to put it on or to buy it or don’t like the feeling . You are not gonna force safe sex unless you control sex.
Or it might be that sex Ed starts too late or is too poor quality and the kids don’t know the consequences of their actions. You say you are all about facts and not feelings in your bio. What about the fact that places that invest in their sex education have less unplanned pregnancies than places that just say “don’t have sex.” https://www.nasn.org/advocacy/professional-practice-documents/position-statements/ps-sexual-health
Pretty clear, if what we actually want is less abortions, we need better sex Ed and access to the resources the kids need to safely have sex.
I see it as the seatbelt in a vehicle protects you from the consequence and not the accident. Nobody learns that way, and I’m positive most people’s grandparents and parents told them about sex being young because most boomers had kids at young ages, it’s not easy. Especially in a strict Christian household they make it clear if you are gonna have sex you do it with someone you really love, and since we know most people don’t know that until later 20s they say wait till your married. Regardless kids won’t listen to anyone even teachers about sex because you know it’s sex and it’s in our biological nature to do it. In reality you can’t stop what’s programmed to happen.
Right, but these are not facts. They are your opinion. It seems to me that, for the vast majority of the time, the people that use the quote “facts over feelings” use the least amount of facts. You may feel these moral guidelines are true, but there is no studies to prove any of it.
Also, if your desired end result is less teenage pregnancies, if the studies show rigorous sex education leads to less unwanted pregnancies, shouldn’t you completely support it? As a facts guy.
“You’re not gonna force safe sex unless you control sex?” And then there is comparing sex to a car crash and sex education as a seat belt. Idk, it’s a weird analogy.
If you support abstinence based sex Ed classes, it’s literally arguing to make teen pregnancies worse. Abstinence classes do not work.
We should remove seatbelts from cars so that people get the opportunity to learn not to crash cars the hard way, and thus learn better when they are paralyzed or dead.
I didn’t say remove them. It’s just the choice people take, put it on or keep it off. One will definitely be a lesson learner if the time comes. If they make it through.
They want to punish poor people for being poor, they grow up in insulated wealthy communities who are deathly afraid of losing the tiniest amount of privilege and see poor people as a threat when they ask for things like increased minimum wage and expanded welfare because they believe it will come at the expense of their tax haven loopholes and free reign to take as they wish.
There's also the double bonus of punishing women for having sex when they should be married and obeying her good Christian husband.
Usually the well off families raise their kids to not screw around so stupidly to have a kid. “They believe” is just a way for you saying I have no idea what they mean that’s just my opinion.
What movies do you watch? Usually the only thing a rich kid will do is buy plan b right after. Exceptions don’t make the rules, of course there might be some who literally get abortions paid by their parents or maybe the parents raise the kid themselves. But like I said the higher social groups usually wanna keep their kids away from sex as long as possible.
You have only a small percentage of society who are wealthy so obviously you'll have higher chances of poorer kids getting pregnant but wealthy doesn't change hormones and teenagers are gonna fuck. Wealthier kids have better access to abortions because they likely don't live in some bumfuck town that manipulated state law to effectively make them impossible. Rich kids again live in areas with much better schooling and won't be force-fed garbage abstinence trash.
Money doesn't make you a better person and it certainly doesn't magically make you a good parent.
I live in a very poor county in North Carolina. They don’t teach abstinence, it shows every part of the body, the dos and do nots, plus it’s even a public school . I don’t know what your definition of wealthy is. I went to public and private and the education is the same the school rules are just different. You must be talking about Ivy League kids that live in places like New York and more structured cities. Here we all live the same way in regards of the way we go about things. Poor kid will buy protection fast as a rich one would if they even wanted it.
the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools
and they vehemently support and push the death penalty, going so far to have their poisons hand-made because the pharmaceutical companies that make the real thing refuse to sell to GOP death camps.
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u/Scat_fiend 15d ago
I never understood how the same people who preach about life being sacred before a baby is born then have no interest in that child’s wellbeing after they are born. Eg the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools are don’t want to raise the minimum wage. They actively want these same lives that they save (and their mothers) to be in destitute poverty.