I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.
I get screamed at every time I get an STD test. Or they have people out pretending to work for PP and telling people you have to check in with them at the gate then BOOM they give you anti abortion shit.
I'm like, bro. This location doesn't even offer abortions.
ETA: there sure are a lot of uneducated people in the comments who are absolutely baffled by the idea of routine testing and responsible sexual health. Y'all are the reason for the statistics. But I guess if you never get a test, you technically never have to disclose your status to your partner. 🤡
I remember a Last Week Tonight episode where they showed anti-abortion activists having set up similiarly named ”clinics” with very visible signs just about next door of the places people were actually looking for. They would then offer ”help” to those unfortunate enough to walk in.
I’m from Europe and my knowledge comes from a entertainment show, but i found it absolutely bonkers that those instances do not need to state that they do not offer abortions, and it’s A-OK to keep your customer thinking that you do. Just stringing somebody along who is probably a complete mess long enough that legal abortion is off the table.
This is true. And in the days when the Yellow Pages were how folks found out about local businesses, they would pay to be listed under “Abortion services.” These days they have to classify themselves as “pregnancy crisis centers” or something similar- which is better but not by much.
Their main thing is offering abortion (but never actually calling it that) at an insanely cheap price, then stringing the women along until it’s legally too late or they can convince her her body is not her own.
Yeah I read a girls story where the crisis center said they would help her and then one it was passed the mark where she could get an abortion in her state they abandoned her completely, and she was pregnant with twins. She said it ruined her life.
This is all about creating desperate people to exploit. American evangelical christianity has become heretical. If they were real Christian's theyd know Jesus is the kind of guy who would spend all day braiding a whip so he could beat the shit out of Christian's like these.
Take a look at Poland, they've gone the other way.
We have abortion clinics in the Czech Republic now that only employ Polish speakers and serve only Polish women who have crossed the border to get help
I've often thought maybe these unwanted babies are more likely to end up as cannon fodder for the military or slave labour within the prison system.
I'm a very pragmatic person, every child born is another drain on the world's limited resources, another consumer and contributor to pollution - as we all are. Why bring an unwanted person into the world? Life is tough enough when you're loved and wanted by your parents, let alone when you're not.
Anyway, abortion is supported in the Bible if you look at the "trial of the bitter water" which was supposed to make a woman miscarry if she was pregnant as a result of adultery- Numbers 5:11-31.
You know why it’s in the Bible that way? Because like today nobody is going to raise and take care of a child that’s not their own. Pretty smart in my book.
IIRC, one of the reasons they call it a 'crisis pregnancy center' is because in the days before abortions were legal, every ER had a dedicated ICU for catastrophic pregnancy complications resulting from attempted at-home abortions. These were for injuries from women who had tried to perform their own abortions with coat hangers, pills, and chemicals. People who had tried to douche with bleach or other strong solvents or had poisoned themselves with things in order to prevent their pregnancies.
People these days don't remember those horrors because Roe v. Wade was roughly 50 years ago; thankfully we haven't needed those sorts of dedicated ICUs anymore.
Yep, coworker was promised all this help post birth and they gave her a package of diapers and that was it, no more help after that. Horrible people that do that to pregnant women.
Your missing the entire point of responsibility and accountability. I’m not against abortions but I understand why people are upset about it. Yeah it’s not the babies fault you decided to have sex and it is a bad choice to be very sexual and not have a stable income. My mom had my sister at 16 and then me at 23. My sister was unplanned but she made it through and we all live good.
So your saying that when a young person is irresponsible and lacks accounting (as a young person once, we tend to be that way), what will really make them responsible and accountable is forcing them to raise a child they never intended to have with no income and little support?
Okay so if a kid murders someone do we force them to serve full time or the death penalty? Or do we teach them better and send them back where they started.
We take a proactive steps to enable them for success in the first place, and were they and we as a society fail, we correct for future generations.
If they murdered for food, why did we let them starve to the point they killed someone? Who is more evil, the one who killed for food, or the one who did not share his food to avoid a killing?
Same thing can be applied to all cases. Understand, and then you have the answer. Then you can take action.
The people who set these kinds of scams up should be legally liable for sending monetary support into raising the children they've helped bring into this world. That'll get them shut down extremely quick.
More likely they'll just declare bankruptcy and reorganized under a new business name. That's what Randall Terry (forced birth terrorist) did when Planned Parenthood won a huge a civil case against him, he declared bankruptcy so PP couldn't collect.
Actually, I think that everyone who protests outside an abortion clinic should be made to pay an extra tax to support the financial upkeep of children from parents who can't afford to feed them. They should be GLAD to do so.
They don't give a fuck about the baby after it's born though. If they actually cared about babies, they would want to help the babies!
I'm all for lowering abortion rates by providing free child care and food. If you actually want to lower abortion rates, reducing social stigma about being single mum, and helping them financially and with childcare will do far more than their current tactics. They don't want to prevent abortion, they want to punish women.
They’re more concerned with it being alive than fed I suppose. It’s unfortunate, but our civilization isn’t constructed in a way that helps people in need.
The thing is, they don’t actually care about babies or even about lowering rates of abortion. There are so many reasonable, legal, easy ways to reduce abortion rates and pro life advocates don’t care to act on those ways; they simply want to cling to the moral superiority they believe their ideological position grants them.
I’ve talked to multiple pro life people about how my body is physically incapable of carrying a healthy fetus to term, and how much effort I’ve put into avoiding an accidental pregnancy. However if I were to be impregnated against my will, those people would want me to attempt to carry a malnourished, damaged fetus to term (which would more likely end in a miscarriage) to satisfy the rigid rules of their ideology, even though the most likely outcome from that is two deaths and the definite outcome is one death. They actually 100% don’t care that I and any fetus inside me would die, they still wouldn’t give me access to abortion unless maybe I was literally in the hospital dying right in front of a doctor.
THEY JUST DONT ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PEOPLE, “UNBORN” OR ALREADY BORN. WE COULD ALL DIE IN CHILDBIRTH AND ALL OUR OUR FETUSES COULD BE UNVIABLE AND ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS THEY CAN GAIN BY CLAIMING THEY ARE ON THE SIDE AGAINST “KILLING BABIES.”
I’m not saying some of them aren’t nuts, I’m just saying morality is subjective and life has no intrinsic value, so from their perspective they have an obvious moral high ground.
They aren’t “trying to save children,” even if that’s what they claim and/or believe they are doing.
They think they have the moral high ground bc they genuinely believe that women were put on this earth by god to serve as breeders for men. There is no way to argue with someone who believes you are biologically inferior and born to be a gestational slave. We need to make sure their religious insanity is never the source of legislative decision making. I don’t care what they think is murder, I care that they are infringing on my and every woman’s human rights. Their ideology is rooted firmly in the oppression of women. All that matters is making sure they can’t oppress. And being honest about what the root of their ideology truly holds is vital to the conversation.
You’re right that they believe they have moral high ground but the reality doesn’t fit that because they don’t do anything to help these babies after they’re born. Because of that, they’re all nuts with delusions of having moral high ground.
They don’t believe they have the moral high ground, they believe they have a moral obligation. And besides, the USA (and presumably other countries) have extremely individualistic cultures, so the idea of “giving someone something” isn’t really approved of. Look at it this way; our welfare system’s so tight that it’s almost unusable, but our tax system’s full of holes. It’s fine to not give, but not to take.
It is, and that’s why I started a petition to shut down Yelp.
The problem I have is everyone’s acting like they’re nut jobs being crazy for no good reason. What they are is people with different opinions acting in a way that’s highly moral based upon their beliefs.
So many people have been explaining to you that while pro life ppl THINK they are behaving morally, their morals are inconsistent, incoherent, and they aren’t actually acting in ways that align with the morals they claim they are standing for. If they actually stood by those morals, all of their activism would be entirely different from the terrorism and ethics violation they’ve been doing.
Duplicity and lies are part of their tactics. They justify it by saying they are fighting for fetuses and god. For god, anything goes. They are the kind of people who are so convinced they are right, they are willing to do heinous things for it.
This is why I'm convinced the next rise of fascism will be in America. These people operate with impunity and they have the most powerful propaganda machine in the country. Imagine people like that controlling the most powerful military in the world with thousands of nukes.
How do they set up right next to the clinic they're actually looking for though? They just rent the suite next to them?
Either way, yeah that's incredibly scummy and obviously not legitimate. That would be trashy if it wasn't a medical practice. But the fact that it is elevates it to "why tf is this not illegal?"
man someone's gotta pull a reverse uno on them and camp outside these clinics with those huge protest signs saying stuff like THEY ARE FRAUDS or THEY LIED ABOUT PROVIDING ABORTION HERE if this isn't being done already.
The PPs in NYC all have security and a bunch of workers outside as protection for patients. This is in a city that has such a low risk for threats from anti-abortionists.
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u/slugsliveinmymouth 15d ago
I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.