r/worldnews Oct 04 '22

Biden affirms U.S. support for Japan after North Korea missile launch North Korea

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/biden-affirms-us-support-japan-after-north-korea-missile-launch-2022-10-04/
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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

Always been amazed at how absolutely we’ve become Allies of Japan since WWII! Zero tension. Best friends.

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u/IFurious_Troll Oct 04 '22

The US and Japan had a good relationship before WW2 was even a thing. Hence the Sakura trees being gifted to the US from Japan in the early 1900s.

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u/OneWithMath Oct 04 '22

The US and Japan had a good relationship before WW2 was even a thing.

Ehh, ups and downs.

America essentially forced the country to industrialize, which is easy to see positively with modern sensibilities, but it was a massive disruption to society and led to the Boshin War and related skirmishes.

Fast forward 40 years, Roosevelt offers to serve as Arbiter of the Portsmouth Treaty to end the Russo-Japanese war. Despite Japan winning every significant land and naval battle, Roosevelt denied the request of Japan for Russia to pay indemnities for the war, and no Russian territories in the far east were to be ceded to Japan. This was taken as a soft betrayal by Japan, and as a sign that the US wanted to check Japan's power.

The coming decades would see escalating tensions between the US and Japan, with the US eventually resorting to resource embargoes to curb the growth of the Japanese empire. As the US also had Pacific Ambitions, WW2 likely would have started in the Pacific if it weren't for Hitler's invasion of Poland.

Following WW2, the US had great interest in a strong Japan to act as an anchor of non-communist influence in the far east as a counterbalance to China and the USSR.

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u/matagen Oct 05 '22

It's also easy to view periods of friendship/peace between the US and Japan in a positive light of you're from those countries. If you're Korean then you associate those periods with events like the Taft-Katsura Agreement, wherein the US effectively recognized Japanese suzerainty over Korea in exchange for Japan recognizing US rights to the Philippines, and set the backdrop for the Japanese annexation of Korea five years later. It's important to put things like this in a wider context than merely the relationship between two countries, especially when the two countries were major imperialist powers in an imperial age.

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

Awesome comment.

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u/Fox_Kurama Oct 05 '22

Indeed. And one of the reasons, the REAL reasons, for the decision to use the nuclear bomb on Japan was to force a surrender before the Soviet forces were able to begin their own invasion (which would have resulted in Japan getting cut in half the way Germany was).

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u/zipykido Oct 05 '22

Are you Ken Burns?

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

History is sooo cool. Can never read enough.

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u/Russianvillageboy09 Oct 04 '22

Mhm it has its ups and downs Nanking, cough cough. Come on man, babies?

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

Learning of history never ends. Yes those stories too.

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u/Gamesgtd Oct 04 '22

Helps when you basically take control of their country and force them to become your allies. Not as bad as what the Allies did with splitting up Germany because Japan still had a ton of autonomy post WW2 but America did stop them from having a military. Obviously, it was for the better because of what happened to the countries that the non Russian/Chinese Allies didn't have a hand in reestablishing post second World War.

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

I concur. Not saying that there is or isn’t, but is there a movement in Japan that is angry/embarrassed by how it played out? Or is Japan at peace with itself on the topic?

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u/darkbladelink Oct 04 '22

I don’t know how they feel about how things played out, but Japanese tend to view Americans pretty favorably. Okinawans are a different story with the US military and the bases

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u/Unusual-Ad-2668 Oct 04 '22

Loved in Oki for two years. Locals especially elderly seemed to like Americans.

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u/MkMyBnkAcctGrtAgn Oct 05 '22

I was at Schwab for 6 months, got denied from entering a lot of places for being American

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u/dearmoderngrace Oct 05 '22

I’m willing to bet it’s because of your grooming standards more so than anything else. Especially if you’re also rolling deep with your dogs.

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u/Unusual-Ad-2668 Oct 05 '22

Everyone one is clean shaved and dressed well.

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u/Unusual-Ad-2668 Oct 05 '22

Ya there were a few places they’d give you the X. I would say on the whole the people were always polite and accommodating. I was all the way south on kinser.

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u/EifertGreenLazor Oct 04 '22

While the US military has done its share of bad things in Okinawa, the presence there also helped Okinawans especially with decades of issues with mainland Japan in terms of culture and reciprocity.

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u/11010110101010101010 Oct 04 '22

They tend to dislike the raping and the polluting coming from the base.

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u/OnThe_Spectrum Oct 04 '22

Rape wasn’t more common from Americans, just more publicized. Everyone who isn’t lying on the internet that cares about this topic knows Japanese women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted by Japanese men than by Americans.

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u/11010110101010101010 Oct 05 '22

You’re right. But the truth is still messier and difficult than just statistics.

The resolution, citing figures that Onaga also has used, also said SOFA-status personnel had committed 5,896 crimes since 1972. What it didn’t point out is that government figures show the rest of Okinawa’s populace has a crime rate more than twice as high over the same period — 69.7 crimes per 10,000 people, compared with 27.4 by SOFA members.

The SOFA crime rate also has been dropping, police figures show. In 2014, the prefecture saw the lowest level of crime committed by SOFA-status personnel since the reversion. Out of 3,410 arrests prefecture-wide that year, only 27 involved SOFA personnel. There also was just one charge of a heinous felony, a rape, which was later dropped by prosecutors.

https://www.stripes.com/news/despite-low-crime-rate-us-military-faces-no-win-situation-on-okinawa-1.411132

But many Okinawans feel under occupation by people allowed to be penalized under different and softer rules. And it’s an extremely bitter pill to swallow when rapists in your country can be tried in another country’s court system, that may appear to not take it as seriously as you hope your own would:

https://apjjf.org/2018/03/Mitchell.html

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u/Djutz Oct 04 '22

Extreme nationalism exists in most nations. The majority of Japanese people identify as pacifists, and the military dictatorship of the past is generally condemned. The history books in schools though… don’t exactly list and detail the many horrible atrocities committed during ww2. Feeling of guilt and regret is not strong compared to the Germans. At least in my experience.

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

Absolutely think I agree with that. But even heavy Nationalism for the future doesn’t seem to coincide with current/past resentment at the US or how things have played out since WWII.

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u/kavihasya Oct 04 '22

Watch the Godzilla movies. I think Godzilla is a metaphor for the US. Starts off a terrifying force with unspeakable power after WWII. But by the late 60s, he’s a pretty cool dude. I mean, definitely gonna crush your city with surf music playing in the background. but for sure on your side and happy to help.

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u/Creepy-Explanation91 Oct 04 '22

Godzilla is a metaphor for nuclear weapons and the unbelievable destructive power they possess. I watched a whole documentary on its creation and it’s pretty neat.

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u/kavihasya Oct 05 '22

Yeah. Japan is the only country to ever have a nuclear weapon dropped on them. Just imagine what that does to a national psyche. Even more unbelievable that we are now allies with interests largely aligned.

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u/DocEbs Oct 05 '22

We have set something like 10 off in the US for testing. Japan is the only nation to see 1 or more in anger

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u/cathbadh Oct 05 '22

Not 10. Combining atmospheric, surface, and underground, its 1,030.

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u/DocEbs Oct 09 '22

Maybe. I remember reading something and maybe it was something specific like surface tests on US soil

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u/Creepy-Explanation91 Oct 05 '22

A test nuclear blast in the middle of the desert isn’t exactly the same as one going off over a highly populated cite.

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u/MrGulo-gulo Oct 05 '22

As a major Godzilla fan that's a fun theory but there is no evidence to suggest that it is intentional in any way.

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u/48911150 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

People here aren’t concerned about what happened 80 years ago. Most just live by the day and are more focused on their family and friends current lives.

Politics is rarely a topic in conversation. this disinterest is probably one of the reasons why voter participation numbers in elections are low

Obviously ww2 plays a larger role for the survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

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u/archypsych Oct 05 '22

Americans are experiencing it differently atm.

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u/Folseit Oct 04 '22

There's a large political group called the Nippon Kaigi, about half the National Diet (rough equivalent of Congress), and several past Prime Ministers (most notably Shinzo Abe), are members of the group. They believe that the Tokyo War Crime Trails were illegitimate, that the killings by Imperial Japanese troops during the Nanjing Massacre were exaggerated or fabricated, and denies Korean Comfort Women ever existed. They basically want to bring back Imperial Japan.

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u/huntimir151 Oct 04 '22

Except for all that bs none of them did the actual heart of the topic which is express outrage over their relationship with the US. they were extremely cozy with the US.

Also holy hyperbole they are shits in a lot of ways but "they wanted to bring back imperial Japan!", remind me how many invasions they launched? How exactly did they want to bring back imperial Japan?

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u/Animeninja2020 Oct 04 '22

In some ways they don't want to expand but they in some ways looking back to the tine when Japan was closed off as a greater time.

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u/RedCometZ33 Oct 05 '22

Bringing back Japan by, changing article 9 and kicking out the US. Also revamping the nationalism within Japan though it can be argued that it’s already there. If you are curious look up Makoto Sakurai and Nobusuke Kishi if want to know how those wackos think. It all sounds hyperbolic but they are dead serious. You got guys dressing up in WW2 attire visiting Yasukuni Shrine. On top of this they position themselves as the Victims of WW2 completely disregarding the estimated 4 -14 million people they desecrated across the theatre. Is there a day of remembrance for Unit731 or Comfort woman victims? Nope, but there’s one for the Bombs.

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u/48911150 Oct 05 '22

lol almost no one wants to kick out the US

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u/RedCometZ33 Oct 05 '22

Obviously not anymore, but a few years back when crimes occurred off base it flared up

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u/Gon-no-suke Oct 06 '22

They want to revert back to the Meiji constitution. I don't know if that counts as "imperial" though. I guess it would make it easier for imperial factions to take the power, as they did before.

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

Do these people hold open Contempt for the West and/or the US? Or are they just more Nationalistic?

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u/PokemonSapphire Oct 04 '22

Pretty sure they're just really nationalistic.

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u/huntimir151 Oct 04 '22

The latter.

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u/huntimir151 Oct 04 '22

I can think of two really solid prices of historical evidence as for why Japan made the right call, and they probably know that too.

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u/TheOrganHarvester123 Oct 05 '22

I lived in Japan on a military base for a few years. So anecdotal evidence and all.

But usually if something happened, such as a part falling out of an osprey(happened like 2-3 years back) or something similar and it lands outside of the base. There would be a small protest, maybe a dozen people max, protesting outside the base. Usually there's a cop or two stationed around said protest.

Then there's protests against the base in general since all the planes flying in and out are quite loud and a disturbance to the public.

But in general it seems to be in the minority

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u/Atzadio2 Oct 04 '22

The double negatives are strong in this post I can't really ubderstand what you mean?

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u/Gamesgtd Oct 04 '22

What does that have to do with anything?

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u/valoon4 Oct 04 '22

Man imagine an alternate reality with china occupied germany and its cultural heritages like Schnitzelrolls

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u/Madholm Oct 05 '22

Actually that isn’t entirely true. The Japanese people were disgraced by their own hubris and it resulted in a massive cultural shift. The old ideologies that led them to war effectively died at the end of the war.

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u/The_Grubgrub Oct 04 '22

Ehhhh there was some tension in the 90s, but it was mostly over economic disagreements and it wasn't all that bad.

You're definitely right though, it's a very interesting relationship.

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

We have a pretty good relationship with Vietnam, all things considered. And of course Korea.

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u/Odd_Vampire Oct 04 '22

Certainly there's some historical irony here.

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

And Vietnam. Remarkably positive relationships. Of course Korea.

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u/Odd_Vampire Oct 04 '22

It's funny because America really fucked those countries up not that long ago. I guess It's a good sign that we can let bygones be bygones.

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u/archypsych Oct 05 '22

Well we must have rebuilt them satisfactorily. It’s a great story for the US. Those positive relationships.

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u/oxblood87 Oct 05 '22

Nah, it's just Bro things.

They are just impressed by those two huge punched you threw when you were duking it out.

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u/RAGEEEEE Oct 05 '22

Many countries the US has fought has turned into our best friends.

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u/KSeas Oct 05 '22

I love it, good ole Japanese homies we got you!

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u/ColaCanadian Oct 05 '22

What about us 😢

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u/zaviex Oct 04 '22

It’s not amazing lol. That was by force. Japan had to cede heavily to the Allies post WWII. They didn’t have much choice but to work with us. West Germany was a similar situation. That’s not to say it’s a bad thing just that we shouldn’t be surprised we are allied with countries we steered for decades

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u/archypsych Oct 04 '22

Sure I get the context, and I’ve tried to explore it in other comments. But it is amazing. I never hear a peep of anti-Americanism coming out of Japan. Given their wild success in the las 70 years and our current relationship as staunch Allies, it’s a pretty good result. And They seem alright with it.

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u/MrGulo-gulo Oct 05 '22

It's cause we essentially neutered them.

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u/Ididitall4thegnocchi Oct 05 '22

True but then industrialized them. Big reason why US is viewed favorably there imo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Always been amazed at how people can be so oblivious to the things happening in front of them

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u/archypsych Oct 05 '22

Care to expound?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

No, he does not.

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u/INTPoissible Oct 04 '22

The malarkey ends here.

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u/Butthole--pleasures Oct 04 '22

Corn pop is a bad dude.

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u/Como_thellamas Oct 04 '22

It's malarkey time

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u/FreakinGuy Oct 05 '22

Lmfao what a silly thumbnail

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u/ninjaunderground Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I get now why the US has such a huge military spending... Now that the world needs protecting, they are everywhere to deliver...

Edit: Oh boy what can of worms have I opened by posting this comment

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u/Stupid_Comparisons Oct 04 '22

It's been basically our job to protect Europe and Japan since the end of WW2. Most members of NATO don't even meet the agreed upon defence spending except the US.

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u/oxblood87 Oct 05 '22

You missed over the fact that the USA was relatively unscathed by WW2.

No mainland attacks, no rebuilding of infrastructure, also significant trade incomes etc.

The USA WANTS this imbalance of power, because it is profitable for them. If the USA was not the overwhelming majority then the Dollar would not be the global reserve currency.

If NATO allies had increased their spending and USA had dropped back to pre war spending the global reserve currency would likely be the Euro and the USA would probably have a much lower standing globally.

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u/TheIndyCity Oct 05 '22

Every country wants a geopolitical imbalance of power in their favor. I'd argue that the US showed extreme restraint wielding theirs overall, compared to most every other great power throughout human history.

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u/oxblood87 Oct 05 '22

It is very hard to tell if that was the USA specifically, or a feature of a world that was all warred out and tempered by nuclear weapons.

I make no claims one was or the other, only the observation that the USA, by design, became the western world's protector, which has significantly benefited them economically over the past 80 years.

As China is catching up/overtaking the USA there is going to be turmoil, we can only hope that it is relatively peaceful, or that climate change proves to be a bigger enemy to band together against.

I would also predict that Asia's progress over the last ~century will be mimicked by Africa in the 21st and early 22nd.

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u/TheIndyCity Oct 05 '22

I think a lot of those points are accepted facts. A US hegemony has benefited the US, which I'm not sure anyone would argue that's unfair when it has additionally benefited so many of their partners as well. Part of the reason why the US rebuilt everyone was simply to avoid the same situation that caused WWII after WWI. But I also think it was decided that maintaining distinct superiority militarily would force peace in a way that couldn't be achieved before.

Since the invention of the nuclear bomb, the US has been many steps ahead of their peer adversaries, yet rarely demonstrated their capabilities against them (conventionally speaking, nuclear conflict obviously is an event that everyone loses...which in a lot of ways ALSO kept the US in check). This current conflict is probably the closest we've ever seen the US military confront Russia directly, and they're doing it through proxy and handling it with kids gloves by and large.

While I want to see that conflict end as soon as possible, it may be good in the long run in further establishing a lasting peace by reminding everyone that we're far better off working as friends and competing in the arenas of economics and trade than to square off militarily. Would anyone think a Chinese or Russian hegemony would be more equitable? For allies of these countries, sure. Or for similar styles of government. But I think for the free world, we're best enjoying the sunshine under Pax Americana for as long as it will last (and like all major powers, it will subside eventually).

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u/Ornery_Courage2947 Oct 04 '22

It’s far from our job to protect… NATO is modern day imperialism for the U.S. essentially every company in NATO has an * after their name saying “brought to you by America”

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u/Stupid_Comparisons Oct 04 '22

You're free to leave at anytime

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u/hummingdog Oct 05 '22

Funny you say that because I remember the pathetic looks on your leaders’ faces when Trump was threatening to pull out the plug. You cannot survive a day without our tax dollars.

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u/officer2446 Oct 04 '22

It's been basically our job to protect Europe and Japan since the end of WW2.

This has to be satire

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u/Stupid_Comparisons Oct 04 '22

The North Atlantic Alliance was founded in the aftermath of the Second World War. Its purpose was to secure peace in Europe, to promote cooperation among its members and to guard their freedom – all of this in the context of countering the threat posed at the time by the Soviet Union. Go read a book fool

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u/officer2446 Oct 04 '22

Its purpose was to secure peace in Europe, to promote cooperation among its members and to guard their freedom

Oh you are serious. Thanks for spreading that freedom worldwide Uncle Sam

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u/GhostZenon Oct 04 '22

And the majority of Asians are grateful for them that includes me, If not for them North Korea could have invaded SK and nuked Japan, while China invading the whole South East Asian countries, I know America did a lot of questionable things in the past but I'm still grateful that the most powerful Military in the world is allied to us right now.

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u/Stupid_Comparisons Oct 04 '22

Whatever man. You were all salty until the war in Ukraine happened and we watched every single one of you remember. You wouldent have that free Healthcare if we didn't spent billions protecting you.

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u/therublerat Oct 05 '22

Got your blankets for the winter there bud?

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u/Ididitall4thegnocchi Oct 05 '22

Why else are European armies completely toothless?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

America! Fuck yeah! Comin to save the motherfuckin day yeah!

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u/MrRetard19 Oct 05 '22

What’s funny is 3% of its gdp isn’t even that much it’s only 1% more then the nato requirement

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

what kind of support?

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u/FM-101 Oct 04 '22

Total.

US and Japan has a mutual defense agreement since 1951 that states if one country is attacked the other comes to their aid.
Basically attacking Japan is the same as attacking the United States

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

So, what's happening? This isn't the first time NK has lobbed a rocket that way.

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u/Geistwhite Oct 04 '22

Nothing because no attack has actually been made on Japan. Shooting the ocean doesn't count.

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u/who_said_I_am_an_emu Oct 05 '22

Stupid ocean, can't even drink it. Only sensible thing to do is bomb it.

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u/MadNhater Oct 05 '22

NK might be onto something here

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u/jeremicci Oct 05 '22

Crazy that we elected a president who seriously suggested this not long ago

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u/sexbuhbombdotcom Oct 05 '22

I thought he suggested bombing a hurricane

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u/jeremicci Oct 05 '22

I'd have to check, but I believe that particular hurricane was in the ocean at the time.

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u/MadNhater Oct 05 '22

Left out a crucial detail there. It’s not a new idea.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

If you put a ballistic missile through my airspace, we're gonna have words.

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u/unknownSubscriber Oct 04 '22

Oh I dunno, how about the thousands of soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, and the billions in assets stationed there.

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u/inhugzwetrust Oct 04 '22

I guess the same as Ukraine? If North Korea ever was unbelievably stupid enough to ever attack basically anyone (they won't), they'll be quite quickly defeated.

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u/zaviex Oct 04 '22

No, Japan has a ton of US bases and assets defending it. If you attack Japan you’d de facto attack the United States

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u/tacit25 Oct 04 '22

Also when the US said Japan couldn't have a military part of that said the US would step in if Japan is ever attacked. The US is legally bound to defend Japan will full military support. Attacking Japan would be horribly stupid and this doesn't even count Japan's own defense forces

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u/ghrarhg Oct 04 '22

Same with Ukraine after nuclear disarmament. But at least Japan has US bases.

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u/Koreish Oct 05 '22

I only vaguely remember it from a European history class I took in college, so I could be completely off base, but wasn't part of Ukraine's nuclear disarmament that Russia would protect them? In a similar fashion to the US' pact with Japan?

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u/Rex_Beever Oct 05 '22

Yes that is correct, that person is just saying shit

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u/SuperArppis Oct 04 '22

Change of Facebook profile photo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

With a flag watermark?

Gondor sends thoughts and prayers?

awesome.

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u/Odd_Vampire Oct 04 '22

I'm thinking AA support.

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u/book_of_eli_sha Oct 04 '22

Top 10 Unexpected Anime Team-Ups

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u/Ultimatwo Oct 05 '22

I love Biden foreign policy

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u/Dassoudly Oct 05 '22

“President of the United States, would you support one of your closest allies of the last 70 years if they were attack by the geopolitical equivalent of a termite?”

I get that this comes with the job, but come on lol. He’s got slightly bigger fish to fry at the moment.

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u/eskieski Oct 04 '22

yeah, remember when Trump saluted one of the North Korean soldiers oh what a guy! and his love letters to Kim.. thanks sweetheart for inviting me to your country and having a dinner for me all those secret documents he has in Mar-a-Lago wonder why all these three jerk offs feel they can try to show some muscle now keep trying the Results from all the NATO allies might surprise them

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u/unknownSubscriber Oct 04 '22

Well, as much as i hate trump, the whole salute thing was a con by the North Koreans. The general saluted first but then quickly changed to a hand shake before trump could react, they got the photo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

It is never justified to salute out of uniform. Let alone salute AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES

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u/CriticalMembership31 Oct 05 '22

I don’t think anyone who’s actually in the military cares let alone for some poor O4 who’s stuck as the custom and courtesies officer. If you’re the CIC and you receive a salute no one’s going to bat an eye if you return the salute in a suit, which is essentially the uniform of the president.

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u/unknownSubscriber Oct 05 '22

Uh, the president is the commander in chief, they get saluted by everybody in the military and they return the salute. If you are on a diplomatic mission and a foreign national salutes you should return it. They tricked him. Trump is an absolute donut and deserves to be in jail, but Id prefer to criticize him for shit he's actually guilty of.

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u/katastrophyx Oct 04 '22

Thats not an excuse. The president should know how to conduct himself around foreign dignitaries. That was an absolute embarrassment

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

The only time a salute is justified is in uniform. When the president is wearing a suit, soldiers should salute him but he is not supposed to return the salute. Ever. Unless in uniform.

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u/akjd Oct 05 '22

I could swear I've seen every president in my lifetime return a salute at some time or another.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Its technically never allowed for a president to salute. Historically though if he returns the salute of a US soldier nobodys gonna say "hey sir you cant do that."

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u/No_Zookeepergame_27 Oct 04 '22

What would happen if NK miscalculated the landing and its nuke dropped in Japan instead? So it was an honest mistake. Would the US and others retaliate?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Yes

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u/too_old_still_party Oct 04 '22

they didn't send a live nuke over Japan. If they would have, well....idk, but something...

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u/cheseball Oct 05 '22

Well you don't actually include a nuclear warhead if you don't intend for it to explode.

It'll just contain a weight, equivalent to the weight of a nuclear warhead.

If that missle landed in Japan accidentally, it doesn't necessarily mean war would start. Maybe more sanctions, and increased tensions.

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u/CabbageStockExchange Oct 05 '22

We really aught to create a Pacific NATO to counter China and Russia. I’d imagine it’d look something like: US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan to name a few

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u/legolasticity Oct 05 '22

There is one. It’s called ANZUS. United States, Australia and New Zealand. AUKUS as well (Australia, UK, US). Japan is allied so closely with the U.S. I would imagine they would be somewhat protected by United States allies.

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u/CabbageStockExchange Oct 05 '22

How come we don’t just merge both commands into one?

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u/cheseball Oct 05 '22

All NATO states will have to agree to it. Some NATO states may not want it to over extend to SEA region.

And at the same time some of the other countries in ANZUS may not want to be involved in Euorpe conflicts.

NATO has always been Europe centric and aimed against Russia.

And there's some caution in having a overextend defensive treaty like that, because it could increase likihood even any small conflicts will become world wars.

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u/CabbageStockExchange Oct 05 '22

Oh I’m sorry I should have clarified. Not merging NATO with a pacific branch. I was asking why not merge ANZUS and AUKUS together?

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u/cheseball Oct 05 '22

Oh I see what you mean whoops.

AUKUS is technically the 'updated' ANZUS. But New Zealand did not want nuclear subs docking in their waters to maintain nuclear free, so they're not included in the AUKUS treaty which requires that.

But ANZUS still exists that includes NZ, although it's more like NZ - AUS + AUS - US.

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u/CabbageStockExchange Oct 05 '22

Ah I see. Appreciate the clarity

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u/Conclamatus Oct 05 '22

Nuclear-powered ships like US aircraft carriers are banned as well, which is a bigger problem for the US.

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u/Ididitall4thegnocchi Oct 05 '22

US and Japan already have a direct mutual defense pact.

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u/Conclamatus Oct 05 '22

ANZUS has been a much less meaningful entity since New Zealand banned nuclear-powered US navy ships from docking in their ports. The US is moving on now and that's part of why AUKUS is becoming more important instead.

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u/Ididitall4thegnocchi Oct 05 '22

US and Japan already have a mutual defense pact.

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u/TheGalator Oct 05 '22

Or just make Nato larger

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u/420BigDawg_ Oct 04 '22

Japan should join NATO

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u/oxblood87 Oct 05 '22

North Atlantic?

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u/MadNhater Oct 05 '22

NATO needs a new name

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u/GnomeConjurer Oct 05 '22

the global defense initiative

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u/Prestigious_Split579 Oct 05 '22

How about Pacific Alliance Treaty Organization: P.A.T.O

Trivia: Pato means "duck" in our country kekw

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u/cacarca Oct 05 '22

It was tried. Perhaps it might be time to bring it back.

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u/Ididitall4thegnocchi Oct 05 '22

They already have a mutual defense pact with the US. They don't need to join NATO.

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u/420BigDawg_ Oct 05 '22

Oh okay good

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u/xinxy Oct 05 '22

America trying to help every ally, everywhere, all at once.

Might end up spreading a little thin?

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u/idontaddtoanything Oct 04 '22

100% NO saw china do it over Taiwan and were like “ I bet we can do that”

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u/audiavant86 Oct 05 '22

I need support with all this inflation

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u/LystAP Oct 05 '22

The anime must flow~!

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u/RedditorNPC Oct 05 '22

U.S Is helping Currently Helping Ukraine, Taiwan, and Now Japan from Invasions

They really have their hands full huh

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u/TheOrganHarvester123 Oct 05 '22

U.S has always been helping Japan, hell we literally have military bases stationed all in Japan.

It's always been a thing, you just didn't notice because the headline didn't tell you to.

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u/CraazedNConfused Oct 05 '22

Biden needs to concentrate on having better diplomatic relationships with the worlds strongest country’s, and stop pulling out his dick every time something happens. I have never in my life felt like we are so close to a world war than since The Biden administration has come in to power. It’s scary.

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u/Im_so_little Oct 05 '22

Sleepy 👏 Joe 👏 don't 👏 run 👏

Sleepy 👏 Joe 👏 don't 👏 miss 👏

💪🏼flex 🦵

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u/jkoki088 Oct 05 '22

Well fuck yeah, exactly as it should be

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u/pb_sable_ac Oct 04 '22

Weird that during Trump's presidency, we didn't have nearly as many world war 3 like events coming. I'm not a supporter of Trump but this administration seems to attract a lot of war.

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u/der_titan Oct 04 '22

North Korea fired two missiles over Japan under Trump's presidency.

Plus, under the Trump presidency, Putin was getting much of what he wanted. Trump was undermining NATO, had poor relations with Ukraine, and was polarizing / radicalizing the country and weakening American democratic institutions.

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u/UltraMagnus777 Oct 04 '22

North Korea did the same thing under Trump. Wasn't a WW3 event then, isn't one now.

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u/pb_sable_ac Oct 04 '22

During the beginning of Trump's presidency after taking over from President Obama. I remember he mentioned something about "fire and fury" and then all of a sudden, there was nothing. Now its back again.

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u/UltraMagnus777 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Don't try and dodge. Your original claim was that this didn't happen during Trumps presidency. It did. You didn't clutch your pearls then, you don't need to now.

And I'd also say you weren't paying attention. Because they continued to do missile tests after they played Trump for a fool and his laughable "fire and fury" comment.

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u/pb_sable_ac Oct 04 '22

Wasn't dodging, I just mentioned not nearly as much. No need to be offended. It is without a doubt there are more wars under Biden's presidency then there was under Trumps. We are definitely under a bigger nuclear threat today then we were during Trump's presidency. Don't deny that fact. I'm simply stating the truth that this administration attracts a lot more war than the last one.

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u/shockinglyclad Oct 04 '22

What like Trump killing the Iranian general causing mass panic and Iran to shoot down a passenger plane or did you forget about that too?

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u/UltraMagnus777 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

What you were doing is using an event that happened under both Presidents to declare that there are "more WW3 events" under this one.... when the same event happened under both. You didn't care about this event under Trump, you shouldn't care about it now. I don't. It's NK being NK... same as its been for my entire life.

You're not stating any type of "truth", you're stating what you're feeling and cherry picking events. This is clear because you think everything stopped after Trump's "fire and fury" comment. No, no it did not. So you're obviously wrong about that... what else are you wrong about?
Edit: Though I see you're parroting a LOT of right wing talking points about Ukraine too in other comments and crying for appeasement, so we're done here. Not offended or anything, I'm just not wasting my time. Educate yourself.

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u/ImposterJavaDev Oct 04 '22

I like your writing style.

I also agree with everything you say.

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u/MadNhater Oct 05 '22

I guess WW2 was FDR’s fault. Because he was President at the time lmfao.

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u/APsWhoopinRoom Oct 04 '22

It's literally exactly the same. North Korea does this every few years no matter who is in power. It's usually a stunt to get the US to give them aid. Actually, Kim threatened to nuke Guam during Trump's presidency, which is worse than anything they've done in the last few weeks. You must have a short memory

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u/peniscurve Oct 04 '22

Then you might have issues with your memory, you can for sure see a pattern, where they test missles for a bit, take a break, test missles, take a break, repeat. Doesn't matter if it is Trump, Obama, Biden, Bush, or whoever.

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u/andrewrbrowne Oct 04 '22

Because the cunt was best buddies with all the lads starting the world war 3 events.

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u/Corregidor Oct 04 '22

Man it's funny that so many people always find a way to blame the US for other countries actions lol. Russia invades Ukraine? No it's not NATO, Russia's most immediate "threat", it's the US lol.

NK shoots missles at Japan? Damn American really can't stop shooting missiles at Japan apparently. Just funny to see everytime.

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u/pb_sable_ac Oct 04 '22

No need to point fingers or take blame, I am just simply stating my observation that one administration seems to be able to handle things better diplomatically.

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u/thederpofwar321 Oct 04 '22

Biden is handling it fine. Hes not just giving Putin and other dictators what they want so they're acting out. The lashing out you see from these nations is the result of a good administration, not a bad one.

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u/Retcon_404 Oct 04 '22

Reddit needs to add an award for the "dumbest thing you've ever heard anyone say" because calling the Trump admin better at diplomacy is waaaaaaay up there.

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u/aj_cr Oct 04 '22

I don't see how you can consider insulting world leaders on twitter, and disrespecting them at any given chance and almost starting a nuclear war with tweets "handling things better diplomatically". Trump knows as much about diplomacy as I know about quantum physics.

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u/APsWhoopinRoom Oct 04 '22

You have to be pretty dumb to think Trump had anything to do with that. Countries make their own decisions regardless of who is in power in the US.