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North Korea fires suspected ICBM, warns U.S. against 'dangerous' choices North Korea

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-fires-ballistic-missile-south-koreas-military-2022-11-02/
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u/Gilroy_Davidson Nov 03 '22

How are they going to attack anyone if they keep firing all of their weapons into the ocean?

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u/cock_babtridge Nov 03 '22

Good question, i can’t personally believe they have the means to mass produce them. I imagine they probably make one, then pretty immediately launch it.

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u/chooseausernAAme Nov 03 '22

ironically a good way of testing, just fire it and see how far it goes

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

Well, remember they have been perfectly happy to starve their citizens to focus more work on arms development.

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u/Reverend_Russo Nov 04 '22

I play CIV the same way. We just need to get Kimmy a decent PC and a steam account and we’ll be one step closer to world peace. Ez

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22

See I play civ I make my sure I get as much damn food as I can because big cities=major output.

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u/WhaTheFuckus Nov 04 '22

Remember there's ONE active Steam user in Pyongyang

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u/Soggy-Hurry6491 Nov 04 '22

Wait fam.. y’all don’t go for the faith victory? LORD KIMMY WILL SAVE US

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u/DamageAxis Nov 04 '22

So these would be artisanal ICBM’s.

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u/FateLeita Nov 04 '22

Bespoke ICBMs.

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u/LuwiBaton Nov 03 '22

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u/HouseOfSteak Nov 03 '22

Meanwhile their cities look like shit, and their not-cities look worse.

But hey, at least they can just throw money at the ocean.

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u/uglyduckling81 Nov 03 '22

What else do you expect when your supreme leader invented the technology, create and mines the minerals himself, hand makes every missile and warhead himself, then most impressively of all he not only stores them in his rectum, he also launches them directly from his ass.

He really is the ultimate being.

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u/Slave35 Nov 04 '22

He doesn't have an ass. He has no need of one.

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u/bigbramble Nov 03 '22

They aren't trying to attack anyone, they are looking for Atlantis. Big brain move.

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u/Radiant_Boss4342 Nov 03 '22

They're advertising flawless accuracy. Target the ocean, 100% hit rate. Now there's just that pesky DISTANCE thing......

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u/Imacatdoincatstuff Nov 03 '22

While making dangerous choices.

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u/Max_Fenig Nov 03 '22

Pretty sure NK's nuclear program is seen as re-assurance against invasion. Giving up nukes would be a very dangerous choice, just ask Libya or Ukraine.

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u/der_titan Nov 03 '22

It certainly gives North Korea a lot more leverage, especially with its developing missile program, but the West knew well ahead of time that North Korea was developing nuclear weapons and didn't invade.

Though it would lose a conventional war, North Korea is capable of inflicting massive civilian casualties and economic damage to the South (and, to a lesser extent, Japan).

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u/Relative_Ad5909 Nov 03 '22

The threat of nuclear weapons is a far more effective tool than the weapons themselves. If you never use them, the threat of civilian casualties keeps your rivals playing nice. Once you've used them, however, you are simply a threat that needs to be removed as soon as possible. If North Korea used a nuke against South Korea or Japan, they would shortly cease to exist.

The purpose of the constant threats is to try and convince other countries that they are stupid enough to use their nukes, in an attempt to get them to give NK more breathing room from their everpresent sanctions.

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u/joshbudde Nov 03 '22

Agreed. If any country used a nuke, the gloves would be off. Once you've showed you're willing to do that, the only logical response is overwhelming force even in the face of potential civilian casualties.

You can have your toy ICBMs and nukes, but if you use one its total war. No more party games or faffing about.

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u/Simba7 Nov 03 '22

I agree with the sentiment but want to give an 'ackshually' that 'total war' generally includes the following: "mobilizes all of the resources of society to fight the war, and gives priority to warfare over non-combatant needs"

It might be total war for North Korea, but it would not be for just about any other country in the world.

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u/RobbStark Nov 03 '22

Well, we now know that Russia would have a tough time fighting NK...

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u/Datkif Nov 03 '22

NK might do better..

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u/nat3215 Nov 04 '22

Russia could nuke it out of existence, and that’s about the only advantage that they have.

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u/HardlyDecent Nov 03 '22

Yep. War Games had it right on this one. No one actually wants to play that game, as the only way to win is not to play it.

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u/thiney49 Nov 03 '22

This is at least true for North Korea. For the US, and Probably Russia (depending on the actual state of their infrastructure), the actual weapons are more powerful, simply because there wouldn't be anything left to "remove them" after the fact. It's back to the stone age for whoever survives.

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u/SpitefulRish Nov 04 '22

I mean only if global total nuclear war. We could probably nuke the shit out North Korea and most of the world would be fine.

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u/TheLastDaysOf Nov 03 '22

Seoul, especially. Forget about nukes for a second; being about 15 miles south of the border, it's easily within artillery range. War would be an unimaginable catastrophe.

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u/der_titan Nov 03 '22

Incheon, Gimpo, Paju, Yeoncheon, Dongducheon, Cheorwon, Yangu, and Goseong are major population centers that are also very close to the Northern border - many of which are closer than Seoul.

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u/CambriaKilgannonn Nov 03 '22

People forget what those areas looked like during the korean war

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u/codefyre Nov 03 '22

I believe the current estimate is around 1000 North Korean artillery pieces within range of Seoul, most of which are at least partially protected by bunkers. A study done a few years back estimated that North Korea could kill 200,000 people within the first hour using artillery alone, and that the US and SK are essentially powerless to prevent that from happening. Ironically, the only mechanism within our arsenal capable of halting that attack quickly is a series of nuclear strikes on the border.

Airstrikes and countering artillery fire would eventually destroy those emplacements without nuclear strikes, but that process will take days. Millions would be dead by then.

NK didn't develop nukes to strike South Korea, because it doesn't need them for that. It already has the ability to inflict enormous damage conventionally. It developed nukes to hit American air and naval bases in Japan that would be providing military support to the South Koreans during an open conflict.

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u/pressedbread Nov 03 '22

economic damage to the South

Peace would probably mean even more economic to the South that a war. Imagine if the Northerners didn't have an armed fence keeping them in that hellhole. They'd all be refugees within a week, and South Korea would be trying to figure out what to do with them.

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u/der_titan Nov 03 '22

That's an interesting point. The closest analogue we have is German Re-Unification, which saw West Germany spend over €2T in the East. I'd be interested in reading estimates of a North / South Korean unification.

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u/Mojothemobile Nov 03 '22

Last I checked the cost of bringing NK to around par with SK is like triple SKs entire massive GDP.

Gap was big between the Germanys but it's like a puddle vs the ocean of an economic gap between the Korea's.

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u/Massive_Parsley_5000 Nov 03 '22

Yeah there's been a lot of articles written about how there's sort of an unspoken agreement between SK people that ultimately they don't really want reunification because the bill would cripple them economically. I don't know how true it is, but it is kind of interesting to think about from that perspective. Would you be willing to cut your GDP growth in half if not more for half a century to try and rebuild half your country, especially considering familial/cultural ties have lessoned drastically in the 80 years or so since the split?

I mean we all like to think we're altruistic as all hell, but most of us wouldn't sacrifice sending our kids to college for a stranger, and that's effectively what we'd be asking millions of people to do in the case of SK/NK joining. There'd be a lost generation in SK where all economic growth just gets sunk into the north trying to keep them affloat, then probably another 2 generations of a huge sunk cost before recovery is complete. That's a /lot/ to ask of a people, and historically reconstruction efforts always stall well before they need to, which leads to resentment and problems down the road...

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u/jayzeeinthehouse Nov 03 '22

There are two trains of thought: one state, two states.

My guess would be that the two state solution would work because South Korean manufacturing, that had previously been in North Korean special economic zones, would move up north and create economic prosperity for the south by exploiting the cheap labor in the north as it rapidly industrializes.

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u/2017hayden Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

The west didn’t invade before they made nukes for fear of involving China like the first time. North Korea may not have had Nukes then but China definitely did. I’m pretty sure China is starting to regret their decision to back North Korea though, considering the increasingly unstable state of affairs with the country and chinas ever increasing dependence on trade with the west.

Edited for clarity because apparently some people need basic context clues spelled out to them.

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u/Infinite-Outcome-591 Nov 03 '22

China uses NK as cheap labour. Some trade, play nice with your dangerous neighbor. China can wipe them off the map in no time. But then what. What do you do with them, hand them over to the south? Like in Ukraine, they can invade. But holding on to territory is a different matter!

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u/LongFluffyDragon Nov 03 '22

Holding it would be pretty easy if the leaders are removed. There is not exactly much patriotic spirit to resist invasion, let alone supplies to do so.

That, and becoming second-rate chinese labor is at worst a slightly uphill sidegrade for most of the population. Food and survival are reasonably likely.

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u/Infinite-Outcome-591 Nov 03 '22

I like your retort

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u/Amorette93 Nov 03 '22

Yeah the damage that DPRK could enact on JP and SK is horrendous to think about. People think of them as a country that can't hurt anyone. They can. They'd lose a war against most counries, but it would go about how the Ukranaian-Russian war is going. They'd hang on, use everything they have, and scrape the country for fighters before finally falling.

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u/bigredhawkeye Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

No, the Russia Ukraine war is really only taking so long due to Russian incompetence, poor logistics, it’s outdated military technology, and it’s shortage of manpower in the field. The US and it’s allies have none of these problems. Even though the North Koreans would probably be fanatical, it would be over much faster given that their military technology is even MORE obsolete than Russia’s and it’s a much smaller country.

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u/Individual_Hearing_3 Nov 03 '22

Not to mention the fact that they haven't cut their teeth in any combat in a hot minute.

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u/Envect Nov 03 '22

If they pulled a stunt that drew international military attention, they wouldn't get any experience in that conflict either.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

their equipment isnt just obselete. they have homebrewed designs that has never been combat tested. helical drum magazines for their AKs are a strange example. dont forget all the chrome and gold plated stuff they give to their special forces.

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u/historynutjackson Nov 03 '22

helical drum magazines for their AKs are a strange example

I mean, there's already kind of a precedent for helical mags for AK variants. The PP19 Bizon has a 64 round helical mag but I'm willing to bet money those are much better designed than "Uncle Hyun says more bullets can kill the imperialist dogs faster."

chrome and gold plated stuff for special forces

Because when you're trying to be stealthy and elite, the thing you want is SHINY METAL.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

i think they just decided to put all points into morale. they already know they are fucked so might as well give the men gold plated weapons so they have at least that to be happy about.

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u/tigernet_1994 Nov 03 '22

Suspect they would be happier with a bit of South Korean ramyun and basic household goods but gold plated guns are the next best thing! :)

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u/PineappleHamburders Nov 03 '22

It’s all show. The actual military is there to defend the border and they are usually not in the best of health. The special forces and the such are mainly propaganda tools with very little use in combat.

NK’s main weapon is its missiles and nuclear warheads. It’s army would crumble immediately, but the ICBMS would kill millions while their army is crumbling

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u/Metaphorazine Nov 03 '22

The biggest challenge for the US in taking on North Korea would be having the political will to kill half the country. The Kims would conscript everyone who can hold a stick before relinquishing power

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u/The_Alchemist- Nov 03 '22

Lets not forget how to deal with large amounts of people that are still alive and have been brainwashed for decades.

Can't imagine the funding required to modernize NK (education, culture, structures) . And if we don't do these things, China or the power vacuum will create another douche to do the same shit again.

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u/Ok_Time8560 Nov 03 '22

Look at how expensive German reunification is and how long it’s been in progress… and they started significantly closer with basic infrastructure

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u/uplink42 Nov 03 '22

Yeah I don't think even SK could handle the likely influx of migrants that would be extremely hard to fit into a normal society.

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u/Tatar_Kulchik Nov 03 '22

and all the artillery pointed at Seoul.

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u/FapAttack911 Nov 03 '22

Russian incompetence, it’s outdated military technology, and it’s shortage of manpower in the field. The US and it’s allies have none of these problems.

People fail to understand the real reason this war is taking so long. Ukraine is being propped up by NATO/EU. You can bet your ass if they received no assistance, Ukraine would have fell long ago, even with Russia's outdated equipment. Why? Because Ukraine's equipment was just as outdated. So you have a Ukraine w/ less man power and outdated equipment vs Russia, w/ more man power and slightly less outdated equipment.

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u/WiryCatchphrase Nov 03 '22

Think about the billions of dollars invested in US/NATO spy satellites and other Intelligience services. Ukraine is seeing the benefits of those programs without spending a dime.

Overall though, Russia invaded with a fraction of their military with a legal arm tied behind their back by calling it a special military operation. Ukraine is fighting with 100% of what they have, with additional percentages coming from NATO Intelligience, training, and resupply. NATO started prepping for winter resupplies in like September while Russia is going to freeze their troops this winter.

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u/saberline152 Nov 03 '22

Ukraine also has better tactics and logistics tho They have been trained by the UK these past 8 years, while their equipment is also outdated, their military structure is similar to that of the west thanks to in large part the UK

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u/FapAttack911 Nov 03 '22

Yeah, all fair points, but also just more examples of them being propped up EU/NATO as a buffer against Russia

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u/GogetaSama420 Nov 03 '22

Yes. I’m glad they are being propped up tbh

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u/Strolltheroll Nov 03 '22

It’s a cheap way of dealing a blow to Putin

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u/Tatar_Kulchik Nov 03 '22

True, but Ukrainians have western training, which is a plus

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u/Lajinn5 Nov 03 '22

The issue is less that it would go like Ukraine Russia and more that in the short period of time it would take the US to stage an invasion and shitstomp them they would use as many of their resources as possible to Inflict mass civilian casualties on SK and Japan.

Defeating North Korea would be trivial nowadays with the power disparity, the real problem is that there's next to no way to do it without disgusting loss of human life.

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u/HouseBroomTheReach Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 04 '22

Um, No. It's just Russia vs Ukraine and that's why it's taking so long. If NK hit Japan or SK with a nuke, it'd be The World vs North Korea using the most advanced top secret weaponry in each countries arsenal. Plus there's no way China could back NK if they tried something that stupid. All those UFO's people have been seeing over the past half century would suddenly be hovering over NK.

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u/Amorette93 Nov 03 '22

Like RU, they'd toss all the ammo they had over the DMZ before being smashed to pieces. It would be the same thing only over only 2 days. DPRK would successfully harm JP and SK citizens.

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u/oxpoleon Nov 03 '22

It would go very differently though. It would be a lot shorter, and the DPRK strategy would almost certainly involve crossing at least two lines that so far Russia has not:

  1. Immediate and heavy bombardment of the South Korean capital, Seoul, with every kind of weapon they have. Even in their most intense, Russia has not dumped everything it has at Kyiv. North Korea would be firing tens of thousands of artillery rounds (Seoul is within artillery range of the Northern edge of the DMZ), dozens of missiles, and have hundreds of aircraft in the air. The artillery specifically would be very hard to counter.

  2. The use of NBC weapons, specifically the DPRK would almost certainly look to nuke Seoul as part of the aforementioned bombardment. They know they can't hold out against the return strike so their initial strike would aim to maximise the damage and impact.

Of course, the response they'd get, even dealing horrendous damage to both Japan and South Korea, would be absolutely overwhelming. Unlike Russia, they do not have a long-range arsenal large enough to pose a potent threat to all life on Earth, so the hesitation just would not be there. The response would be massive, multinational, and would involve direct action from SK's allies, although the South Korean and Japanese militaries (sorry, self defence force for Japan) are formidable in their own right.

In a direct comparison with Russia, North Korea has a larger number of ready troops and they're way more fanatical and dedicated to the cause. They also have a comparably sized air force and huge stocks of vehicles including armour. However, their equipment is even older with barely-post-WW2 aircraft and small arms, they lack any kind of combined arms capabilities, their battlefield mobility is low, and they'd be fighting at least SK and Japan, probably also the USA, Australia, and with support from the Royal Navy and the New Zealanders. They would also have no allies, as China would drop support the moment they became an actual threat to Chinese stability and the East Asian hegemony, especially if they went nuclear.

A war involving North Korea on the offensive would be swift, brutal, and end in their outright crushing defeat. Unlike with Ukraine, it almost certainly would be completely concluded within a week.

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u/Relative_Fudge_5112 Nov 03 '22

Yeah the damage that DPRK could enact on JP and SK is horrendous to think about. People think of them as a country that can't hurt anyone. They can

The second they launch a damaging missile that actually hits another country, USA will bomb them out of existence.

They've been saber-rattling for the past few decades and will continue to do nothing but saber-rattle. It's just their thing.

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u/ArmChairAnalyst86 Nov 03 '22

Well maybe that could be the case...before they started launching missles over Japan 3 times a week. That is not what I would classify as reassurance. I wonder how reassured SK and Japan feel, as they send their populations semi weekly alerts to take cover.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons for reassurance. No threats, missles over neighbors, just the bold statement we have nukes. NK doesn't strike me as having the same attitude or strategy.

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u/Jugales Nov 03 '22

No one has threatened to invade North Korea in decades lmfao. Kimmy wants to look cool for Iran, Ruzzia, and China. They are just using USA/SK drills as an excuse.

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u/buchlabum Nov 03 '22

I wouldn't put it past the regime to "report" on their propaganda "news" network that an invasion has begun, cut to SK/US military exercises, but kim managed to scared the cowardly west away saving everyone again. Cut to missiles being launched.

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u/petemorley Nov 03 '22

Could you imagine the shitshow, having to fix NK after you’ve invaded it? Nobody wants that.

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u/qubedView Nov 03 '22

Nobody wants to invade North Korea. It has no valuable resources, and anyone who took over would inherit a humanitarian nightmare that every nation would rather ignore.

Nukes aren't about invasion, they're about national pride. Simply being a nuclear power is a key part of national identity. It's a threat to foreigners, but more importantly a sign of power internally.

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u/KarlMarxism Nov 03 '22

North Korea has extensive mineral resources, and while the situation in the country isn't great, with outside food imports a lot of the domestic situation could be greatly improved. N. Korea's issue is a massive lack of arable land combined with a strong opposition to becoming dependent on foreign powers. They spend a lot of effort and resources into trying to create and maintain local agriculture with pretty awful results. This is further confounded by them maintaining an extensive military industry, again due to fears of becoming reliant on outside powers, resulting in the government spending tons of money inefficiently and in ways that don't help the country develop economically.

Nobody is going to invade N. Korea, but pretending like it's some doomed unsalvageable place without value is super uninformed. While a country taking over would have to handle a starving populace, the value of the mineral resources would far outweigh the costs of bringing in sufficient food from outside. While the nukes are certainly a source of pride, they also fulfill an important deterrence role for a country that has an extensive history of occupation/vassalization (China, Japan, and then the US/South Korea would've occupied and dissolved N. Korea in the 50s if not for Chinese intervention) and an acute concern about it happening again. Regardless of whether foreign occupation/domination would become a reality, N. Korean leadership is and has always been deeply concerned about it happening, and to them the possibility of foreign invasion is a massive threat that they feel compelled to be in a position to fight off.

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u/trufus_for_youfus Nov 03 '22

Nobody wants to invade North Korea.

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u/Amorette93 Nov 03 '22

Remember that DPRK views reunion with the south (under democratic methods) as invasion.

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u/trufus_for_youfus Nov 03 '22

I view the my neighbor entering my yard as invasion. So what? South Korea is not remotely equipped to deal with the humanitarian side of any reunification effort. I would expect significant insurgency on the NK side even if the government evaporated tomorrow. It could become one of the costliest proxy wars in history.

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u/rarz Nov 03 '22

Nobody's going to invade NK. There's nothing to get there and it would result in a stream of refugees that neither SK or China wants to deal with.

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u/oalsaker Nov 03 '22

What keeps North Korea alive is China, not their nukes.

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u/BansShutsDownDiscour Nov 03 '22

Lybia, how? The US isn't Russia, South Korea isn't Russia, most of the world isn't the combination of barbaric and actually have the means to carry it out like Russia. North Korea still has the support of China, and that's enough to keep the US out, because they aren't the ones burning economic bridges for military gains.

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u/Amorette93 Nov 03 '22

It's similar in that, like Russia, DPRK would mobilize all of its males until it collapsed its own country doing so. They wouldn't lay down and take an invasion. It would be bloody and kill many of the DPRKs males.

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u/musofiko Nov 03 '22

He's probably smoking a cigarette and throwing down imitation KFC as he issues such warning

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u/mateothegreek Nov 03 '22

Ah yes the weekly missile launch and stern warning. Anyways...

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u/Saniktehhedgehog Nov 03 '22

It’s daily now

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u/Euphoric_Attention97 Nov 03 '22

Chihuahua barking loudly.

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u/scoopdiddy_poopscoop Nov 03 '22

reminds me of my girlfriends chihuahua. every time I go to her place, he would b-line it straight for my big toe. was nothing more than slightly annoying. then one day, he b-lined it and managed to get a solid chop on my big toe and draw some blood with his little razer chicklets. that fucker must have flown 10 feet across the room when I pulled my foot back and he still had ahold of my sock. never did it again after that, think he was scared of being rocket launched across the room again.

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u/Anakin_Skywanker Nov 03 '22

My grandparents used to have a foul tempered blind dog who would bite at the slightest provocation. (Hilariously named “Mickey Mouse”.) He went after my dad all the time. Until one day when he came over right from work and was still wearing his steel toed boots.

Mickey ran over and chomped down hard on my dad’s boots, broke a tooth, then never fucked with my dad again. He was the only person (besides my grandparents) who Mickey allowed to sit on the couch with him or pet him.

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u/Dava_Dew Nov 03 '22

Yeah but this ankle biter has sharp teeth. Isn't much compared to top wolf America but can draw blood if they bite

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u/Euphoric_Attention97 Nov 03 '22

But it would be the last thing they do.

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u/Dava_Dew Nov 03 '22

Sometimes, chihuahuas aren't the most rational creatures.

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u/PhilosophyGlobal4635 Nov 03 '22

If North Korea ever attacked the US with a nuke future generations would ask “who was North Korea”

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u/EOE97 Nov 03 '22

South Korea will become an island nation.

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u/UnderstandingLogic Nov 03 '22

If north Korea is gone, is South Korea just defacto Korea ?

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u/skobuffaloes Nov 03 '22

Out here asking the important questions lmao

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u/coranos2 Nov 03 '22

It is and will always be Best Korea

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u/PaisleyPeacock Nov 03 '22

This is great! All in favor of renaming the country “Best Korea?”

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u/SUCKMEoffyouCASUAL Nov 03 '22

Official title is Republic of Korea (ROK) already. Would just use that

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u/Jcoch27 Nov 03 '22

They should become West Korea just to mess with people.

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u/2017hayden Nov 03 '22

South Korea is likely gone at the point North Korea decides to start lobbing nukes.

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u/SuperGenius98K Nov 03 '22

glass island

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u/CeruleanBlueWind Nov 03 '22

"Bro I just landed in incheon and I'm on my way to your place. Where should I park?"

"Just park anywhere in North Korea"

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u/Wu-kandaForever Nov 03 '22

Just call it the north lot

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u/TazeredAngel Nov 03 '22

Jokes on them, the address we gave sends them to the ocean.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh Nov 03 '22

"Just park anywhere in North Korea"

"But be careful, the glass is slippery"

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u/Shanbo88 Nov 03 '22

"It's just called Korea these days. But before it had the massively radiated wasteland to the North, it was a wild ride."

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u/wickr_me_your_tits Nov 03 '22

Then they’d watch Team America: World Police and be like “I get it now”.

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u/Equivalent-Beyond804 Nov 03 '22

what was North Korea

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u/WittyWitWitt Nov 03 '22

why was North Korea

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u/DFGdanger Nov 03 '22

No one ever asks, how was North Korea?

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u/Acquiescinit Nov 03 '22

Apparently not well.

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u/Cawdor Nov 03 '22

Future generations would ask, why won’t my hair and fingernails stay in?

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u/The-Old-Prince Nov 03 '22

Yall talk about nuclear war like there are any winners

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u/BagelJ Nov 04 '22

North korea does not have the capabilities to end the world. Not even a US state

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u/Equivalent-Shake7344 Nov 03 '22

If NK would to start it, China would not get involved. They've stated this.

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u/DrSOGU Nov 03 '22

"HEY! HEEELLO! I am here! Look at me! I have missiles!" waves missiles "And nuclear! I am still relevant! Hello?"

  • Kim Yong Un

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u/StlCyclone Nov 03 '22

I need attention!!! Look at me!!! I'm important too!!!

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u/darthbiscuit Nov 03 '22

Seriously? Do they not realize what America spends all it money on? An 18 year old kid could put a missile in Un’s mailbox with an XBox controller from 6000 miles away and still make it to the commissary for pizza day. I mean, I’m not stupid enough to underestimate an underdog, but NK is not an underdog. It’s a grade school bully with delusions of grandeur attempting to throw down with Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.

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u/armadeooo Nov 03 '22

Can you smell what Americaaaa, is cookin?

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u/mrjderp Nov 03 '22 Wholesome

Kim-chi?

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u/ERRORMONSTER Nov 03 '22

sigh take it and get out.

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u/7evenCircles Nov 03 '22

Kim's kibble bowl must be empty again.

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u/coopsta133 Nov 03 '22

I always find it fascinating the trajectories ICBMs can achieve. For anyone that’s never seen one in person they are huge. Space rockets quite literally.

The trajectory the missile fired was sent up high to avoid going far. 6,200KM high into space. The International space station orbits at 400KM. The missile went 16 times the height of the ISS orbit.

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u/Nodnarbian Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

That's why we invented the "multi kill vehicle" seriously YouTube it. It's terminator looking shit!

Fuck it here ya go.. https://youtu.be/KBMU6l6GsdM

And note that's 13 years ago. So basically this device positions itself exactly accurate with the icbm or any rocket path and hits it head on to destroy it. Again, 13 year old tech.

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u/CutterJohn Nov 04 '22

Its way older than that. Missile intercept systems have existed since the 70s. The problem is any ICBM is going to also release a bunch of balloon decoys in its coast phase, so you have 50 targets, not one.

That's what the 'star wars' program was about. They were trying to figure out a directed energy beam that would hit everything. The decoys would be shoved away, the actual nukes wouldn't move, and could be targeted.

The solution back in the 70s was 'fuck it, wait until it hits atmosphere', then send the worlds craziest intercept missile with a nuke onboard to try to kill it while still miles away.

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u/Key-Ad-8318 Nov 03 '22

This literally happens every year when the US/south Korea drills start. Kim is an oversized man child with a napoleon complex that thinks making threats and dumping another missile into the ocean scares all parties involved.

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u/Pthomas1172 Nov 03 '22

Napoleon was an average sized dude.

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u/lawnicus18 Nov 03 '22

HEY! I’M AVERAGE HEIGHT FOR THE TIME YOU JERK!

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u/Eastcoastpal Nov 04 '22

Actually tall by North Korean standard. Lol

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u/jazzykiwi Nov 03 '22

The US could completely whipe north Korea off the map in a matter of hours and I doubt and China and russia would even give a shit.

I'm so tired of this fat loser and his war against the ocean. The coasts around north Korea must be littered with crap rocket debris

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u/Jeep-RN Nov 03 '22

The Chinese are also tired, but I seen an interview stating they pacify NK as a buffer.

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u/RobotSpaceBear Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

This is literally the pretense of the war in Ukraine, too. Buffers are very important for every nation.

NK is a buffer for China.

Finland was supposed to remain neutral, so it would be a buffer between NATO and Russia/USSR.

And Ukraine needed to be a buffer between NATO and Russia too.

You can look into the Mackinder Heartland Theory, which states that the area where the Baltics and Ukraine lie are extremely important to whomever wants to control the continent.

In short, if Russia's borders are where they are today, an invading force from Western Europe (like their favorite villain, NATO) could attack them on more than 3000 km of mostly plains. (look at a map, from the top of Finland to the easternmost Black Sea shores, next to Georgia). 3000 km of plains are undefendable for anyone.

Now imagine pushing your (Russia's) borders to include Ukraine and some of the Baltic States, former USSR satellite nations. Now all of a sudden the exposed part of your "empire" goes from Kaliningrad to Romania, with natural barriers being the Baltic Sea in the north and the northern Carpathian Mountains in the south. Now that leaves only 600 km of exposed plains to defend. That's doable.

That's why the USSR expanded where it did, that's why discount Tsar Putin wants to expand and recapture old USSR states. The Heartland Theory. Makes strategic and geopolitical sense, but does not bode well with all the respect for human lives thingy.

edit : Typos, my god so many typos. Apologies.

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u/SouthernArcher3714 Nov 03 '22

Is the US a buffer between Canada and Mexico?

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u/Murais Nov 03 '22

No.

Canada is a buffer between the U.S. and Santa Claus.

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u/BigDaddyCool17 Nov 03 '22

Buckle up, Cringle.

WE COMING FOR YOU

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u/CocoaNinja Nov 03 '22

Whatchu gonna do St. Nick, when Manifest Destiny, runs wild on you?

*Real American plays*

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u/BigDaddyCool17 Nov 03 '22

I didn't even realize the Booker T connection, thank you for this lol

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u/fargmania Nov 03 '22

Kris knows what he did, and the sanctions won't be lifted until he gives up the nuclear reindeer.

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u/6bb26ec559294f7f Nov 03 '22

Just wait until you figure out what Antarctica is buffering the rest of the world from...

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u/Wildest12 Nov 03 '22

Canada is a buffer between US and Russia

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u/vonindyatwork Nov 03 '22

The only problem is that both nuclear weapons and modern conventional weapons invalidate the need for buffer states. Nobody sane is going to attack Russia. Nobody is going to invade mainland China. And even if they did, having Ukraine or NK in between means nothing to cruise missiles and aircraft. But their leaders are still stuck in 19th century thinking about needing buffer states to keep enemies at arms length.

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u/beanerazn Nov 03 '22

I would imagine Russia is dreading NATO´s (hence the US) ability to have missiles placed in Ukraine, right at their borders. Just as much as the US back then dreaded to have URSS missiles placed in Cuba.

Now, when it comes to "nobody is going to attack Russia or invade China", there is no 100% guaranteed. If the US is hellbent on doing something, they will do it.

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u/OverthrowYourMasters Nov 03 '22

I would imagine Russia is dreading NATO´s (hence the US) ability to have missiles placed in Ukraine, right at their borders.

The US could put missiles in Estonia (~650km to Moscow), Latvia (~600km), and Lithuania (700km). The US could also put nuclear subs in the Baltic Sea (~1000km). From Latvia, that would put a hypersonic missile in Moscow in 15-20 mins.

But youre right, Ukraine would be ~450km from Moscow.

Either way, I cant imagine the US ever nuking Moscow unless Russia was the aggressor. During the Cold War, maybe bit quite unlikely. So, Russia must be making some crazy long term plans.

I mean, Washington DC is literally on the coast. A Russian nuclear sub could wipe it out before DC even realizes what's happening, no?

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u/B-Knight Nov 03 '22

Your entire comment reeks of Russian propaganda.

The Cuban Missile Crisis is a world of difference to placing missiles in Ukraine.

For starters, ranged weapons have significantly improved since the 1960s. ICBMs are pin-point accurate, there are drones, long-range strategic bombers, stealth aircraft, rocket artillery and more. Back in the 60s, SRBMs were required because of their reliability and accuracy over practically anything else. That's not required anymore.

Second, Russia is already bordering NATO member states. Estonia and Latvia can already hit Moscow with any weapon in no more time than it'd take for the same weapon to hit Moscow from Ukraine. Ukraine being a NATO member would make absolutely zero difference to missile effectiveness.

Third, "If the US is hellbent on doing something, they will do it". I can guarantee you that NATO won't ever invade Russia because doing so is moronic. That aside, if the US (or NATO) is hellbent on doing something, they'll do it -- Ukraine being in NATO or not.

Stop excusing Russia's colonialist, expansionist, warmongering actions with bullshit.

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u/Lauris024 Nov 03 '22

This is literally the pretense of the war in Ukraine, too. Buffers are very important for every nation.

Pretty much why so many countries claim that Ukraine is defending whole Europe. While it's safe to assume Russia is not going to invade Europe in case Ukraine loses, it implies that Russian influence will take over Europe and US will lose it's grip on it. Hell, even with the ongoing shit, some EU countries still want to befriend Russia. Once EU is influenced by Russia, China, India and others will follow, then US will be on it's own. No matter how strong the army is, you can't can't deal with pretty much entire world at the same time. Send more aid.

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u/Jeep-RN Nov 03 '22

Well put.

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u/Iapetus_Industrial Nov 03 '22

Nobody is owed "buffers". This is colonial, imperialistic bullshit that belongs to history. This is the 21st fucking century. You are not entitled to controlling your neighbors.

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u/deja-roo Nov 03 '22

You either missed his point or decided to randomly post something that had nothing to do with what he said

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u/YeeHawWyattDerp Nov 03 '22

OP never said anything about buffers being owed to anyone, just the logic behind annexing other countries for a military benefit. Your anger is a bit misdirected.

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u/bigdickvick69 Nov 03 '22

If you look at history not a lot has changed. What do you really expect

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u/GalacticCmdr Nov 03 '22

Modern weapons make buffer states pointless. Standoff and wreck industry, power, water, and watch a modern economy collapse. No need for boots in the ground until everything is a wreck.

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi Nov 03 '22

“His war against the ocean” I’m in tears.

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u/blahblahwhateverblah Nov 03 '22

China won't fight a war over NK, but they would not want nuclear fallout right next door. They'll do every diplomatic thing to prevent this. I wouldn't be surprised if China destabilizes NK leadership themselves before letting this happen.

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u/NewKingofDanada Nov 03 '22

I think China would have an issue depending on the result, they don't want a US ally on their border, that's pretty much the only reason they haven't taken care of them themselves.

Maybe if we offer to let them install whoever they want after we're done as long as they're less hostile they'd be okay with it. Hell, they may even join in at that point to ensure the deal gets upheld.

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u/jazzykiwi Nov 03 '22

You think China is going to go at bat for NK? Risk a full out war with america for them? You're out of your mind

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u/NewKingofDanada Nov 03 '22

I think it would raise tensions to point of risk of war if we invaded, yes, not for North Korea itself but for the after effects of it. It'd basically be a second Taiwan.

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u/standarduser2 Nov 03 '22

I mean, they did last time, when they were way weaker.

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u/frizzykid Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

for NK?

Thats not all that is at stake here and you don't seem to be appreciating this as something that just adds more weight to a tipping scale. When you're talking about geopolitics and especially war you can't just look at things through a microscope and individually assess if one thing would be worth it to ignite war over when the greater mountain of problems is towering behind.

Look at ww1. If you look at the ignition point of ww1 with the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, while it's most certainly an ignition point, no one informed would claim that to be the sole reason of ww1 because thatd be pretty insane to just only assess the ignition and not the gasoline all over the place that led to that ignition creating a spark that brought all of Europe into war against each other.

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u/restore_democracy Nov 03 '22

US: dude we literally don’t give a flying fuck about you

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u/TENGU999 Nov 03 '22

Just think about it, russian soldiers are down bad... now imagine a army of people who barely eat

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u/CredibleCactus Nov 03 '22

…..Who are also shut out from the rest of the world and dont realize how better everyone else has it.

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u/isitaspider2 Nov 04 '22

Nah, they totally know it's way better in the South. Those close to the border with SK are blasted with pamphlets all the time. While you may say "well, they may not believe it," the problem with that is, apparently, the number 1 traded underground good is SK dramas, tv shows, and music on USB sticks hooked up to a cheap Chinese portable players. Even if one particular household doesn't know if the propaganda is true, they will hear through the grapevine that it is 100% true. Koreans can just walk around the corner to get chocolate cakes whenever they want and candy is so plentiful that entire days are dedicated to just giving them as gifts (pepero day, it's next week for us here).

Those closer to the northern border are even more aware of how much better it is elsewhere as sneaking into china is apparently fairly common, even if only for a few days a month.

Don't get me wrong, the government has a lot of control over the people and there are tons of people that believe in the government's lies, but it's less like a black box of a country than a jail with windows. They can clearly see it, but if they acknowledge it, they get punished.

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u/GroblyOverrated Nov 03 '22

Everyone doing warnings always seems scared shitless.

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u/JohnnyAK907 Nov 03 '22

A single flight of B-52's could end this place forever, and he wants to warn against "dangerous choices?" F off, you little pocket dictator. The only reason you're still breathing is because up until now you've been smart enough to stay in your own lane.

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u/Glader_Gaming Nov 03 '22

NK cannot have that many actual missiles that can reach Hawaii/western US. They may have a few. And the US has ways (though apparently the success rate is rather not great) of shooting these down. The less fired at once the easier to shoot down. Outside of SK and maybe Japan being in range of shorter missiles, the US probably has very little to worry about at all.

NK wasting this much stocks of missiles to murder fish is an interesting choice. Also apparently they haven’t out any of this on their propaganda news outlets yet.

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u/-Shade277- Nov 03 '22

Do we have to do this every week?

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u/LQuizzy Nov 03 '22

Hey, North Korea.

F*** around, Find out!

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u/Dougdahead Nov 03 '22

What would happen if the U.S. and South Korea both called them on their bluff and dared them to do it again with the promise of retaliation. I know they are just saber rattling, but what would happen? Russia isn't gonna be able to help them. China seems more interested in a cyber war. If they just, essentially punch North Korea in the mouth, would they try to attack or stand there as Billy Bob Thorton did in Tombstone when Wyatt Earp slapped him

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u/trailblzer80 Nov 03 '22

Lil Kim playing with his toys again?

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u/flavortownpolitics Nov 03 '22

Kim Jong Junior Mafia

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u/nemworld Nov 03 '22

Is this the same ICBM that failed?! Dude, quit wasting everyone’s time making threats you will never be stupid enough to actually follow through on. Feed your damn people, moron! ICBM goes poof

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u/Imaginary_Ad_6103 Nov 03 '22

North Korea is a good exple of Dave Chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong".

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u/flatox Nov 03 '22

That fat little fuck needs to sit the fuck down fr

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u/curious420697 Nov 03 '22

he’s nothing but ‘little’ LOL

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u/unbakedpizza Nov 03 '22

Sure living in a great era

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u/Muted_Dog Nov 03 '22

Feed your people first ya fat mcFuck

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u/TerrysClavicle Nov 03 '22

I think NK is learning from Russia by making these threats... like a toddler observing an older bully.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

This is like if the fly buzzing and bouncing his face off my window started making threats. Like yeah dude, I know you're there, but you're not scary. Just annoying.

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u/starskip42 Nov 03 '22

The thunder run across north korea will take minutes not days

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u/Draemalic Nov 03 '22

Bring it you little bitch Country. We would love nothing more to wipe that dictatorship off the map and re-unite N/S Korea. One less participant in the Axis of Evil. Job well done.

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u/HYPERMAN1A Nov 03 '22

Can we just obliterate these vermin already?

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u/Dear-Fox-5194 Nov 04 '22

They truly are crazy. The U.S. could go in and have control of the whole country in 48 hours.

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u/Ratstail91 Nov 04 '22

It's like they're so dumb they don't realize how dumb they are.

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u/Successful_Box_9212 Nov 03 '22

Ol' Kim sure wants his man tits slapped right off doesnt he.

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u/Manning88 Nov 03 '22

The US should warn Kim not to mistake this fingers for sausages and eat them by mistake.

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u/SmashBonecrusher Nov 03 '22

And ,thus begins the proxy wars which could lead to a new "world" war ,folks

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u/funksoldier83 Nov 03 '22

One day that puppy is going to catch the car, and what then?

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u/AshesOfSanity Nov 03 '22

Is NK aware how quickly they could be dealt with? Because, I don't think they know.

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u/Blueberry_Mancakes Nov 03 '22

What if every time I was pissed at my neighbors I went outside and launched a single bottle rocket and said "the next one I'm aiming at you TODD!"

The whole neighborhood would think of me as an idiot lunatic.

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u/No-Cobbler-661 Nov 03 '22

They do know the us could shove a rocket right up their ass before they even knew what hit them and take out all their rockets and get rid of the whole regime without even trying. Governments just too much of a pussy to do it..

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u/rock_flag_n_eagle Nov 04 '22

Maybe seal team 6 should pay him a visit

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Nov 04 '22

Both Iran and North Korea need to sit down and shut up

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u/Kraymur Nov 04 '22

Did Russia cozy up with NK for a little backup or does Kim see the other guys getting attention and is getting pouty?

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u/ZorroMeansFox Nov 04 '22

Whenever I look at North Korea, ICBM.

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u/isekai-cheeese Nov 03 '22

2022 is the year of baby tantrums

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u/HomeOnTheMountain_ Nov 03 '22

Can we just fuck and get it over with?