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North Korea says South Korea-U.S. exercises were open, dangerous provocation North Korea
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-says-south-korea-us-air-exercises-were-open-dangerous-provocation-2022-11-06/457
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Fires missiles OVER Japan. Complains about open provocation.
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u/KalinOrthos Nov 07 '22
"Well, yeah, it's okay when we do it, but when anyone else does it, it's provocation!"
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u/smokebomb_exe Nov 07 '22
nK says this virtually every time the US/ROK performs annual exercises.
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u/Lawfulness_Character Nov 07 '22
And every time NK tests anything the U.S. hawks start beating their chest and declaring it a provocation.
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u/megaplex00 Nov 06 '22
So were aimlessly firing missiles at international waters..
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u/LuckilyLuckier Nov 07 '22
Pretty sure some landed in Japans territorial waters. Though I would have to double check if that is correct.
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u/SerbianForever Nov 07 '22
To be fair they were probably aiming for the middle of the ocean and hit near Japan by accident
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u/NoTimetravelto2020 Nov 07 '22
people say a lot of things everyday, doesn't mean it's news worthy..... 😁
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u/VintageJDizzle Nov 07 '22
I feel like NK says this specific thing every year, at least the years when this exercise has been done. (It stopped for a while, right?) I’ve definitely heard it before.
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u/DigitalArbitrage Nov 07 '22
Yes, this exact thing is 60% of news stories about North Korea for the last 20+ years.
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Nov 07 '22
Honestly, it shouldn't be reported at all.
No one reports what the lunatic religious nut on the street corner is shouting, because there's no reason to legitimize his insanity - and it's not worth wasting anyone's time by asking them to read it. Some of these articles are the same insane bullshit that should have been ignored in the first place.
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u/Wear-Fluid Nov 06 '22
You get what you give.. Maybe stop sending missiles over your neighbors and US allies.
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Nov 07 '22
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u/EnchilosoMochila Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
I thought we just came off a 4 year hiatus where there were no drills? Any symbolic and material goodwill gesture has been exploited by NK in the past, and it certainly didn’t stop NK from acting out like a petulant child - so what good did that pause really do?
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u/cpt_melon Nov 07 '22
They don't have a point though. You don't get to develop nuclear weapons in breach of UN treaties; fire missiles left, right and center and then proceed to complain when your neighbors conduct military exercises in response.
It would be nothing short of irresponsible for South Korea and the US not to prepare for an eventual war with North Korea.
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u/BaaBaaTurtle Nov 07 '22
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
The war began on 25 June 1950 when North Korea invaded South Korea following clashes along the border and rebellions in South Korea.
Just in general I recommend the wiki article.
The Korean war killed nearly a 1/3 of NK people at the time
That's untrue. Charles Armstrong had the largest estimate of 15% of the NK population having died as a result (including famine, lack of medical aid, and other downstream effects from the war). It should be noted that Armstrong's number is much higher than anyone else's and his book was found to be riddled with errors (though no one took specific issue with that particular part of the book, but they did take issue with many of his citations). Most people estimate closer to a third of that 15%, so about 5% of the population. Terrible, yes, but not a third of the population.
In general your comment is....odd. North Korea has had a much more belligerent stance regardless of exercises held by SK. They have pulled guards over the border at the DMZ, they attacked the SK and US (with axes!), they shot missiles into other countries air and water space, they shot civilians in the SEZ. They violate every treaty and agreement they are part of (even the USSR stopped delivering equipment to NK because they were notorious for reneging on deals).
Yet you have this stance of "poor North Koreans, they are just scared"... Like no. Their leadership did this also during the sunshine policy years.
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u/Cleomenes_of_Sparta Nov 07 '22
reenacting another invasion
A lot of people don't seem to be aware that it was North Korea that invaded the South.
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u/sickofthisshit Nov 07 '22
Both are simulations of invasions of North Korea.
This is not a fair characterization. These (scheduled long in advance) drills work on the ability of the ROK and US forces to coordinate large operations in general. Yes, if they were going to invade the DPRK, these skills and readiness would be important. But they would also be important to defend against an attack from the DPRK.
Typically, these exercises are deliberately designed not to resemble an attack, precisely to avoid setting off a conflict. For example, land based forces tend to set up the exercises in an east-west orientation so that they do not match preparations for invasion.
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u/yoortyyo Nov 07 '22
How many times have these exercises led to artillery barrages on cities? Kidnappings or other cross the border ‘accidents’?
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u/Donut_of_Patriotism Nov 07 '22
Yeah but if NK doesn’t give the US a reason to invade then it won’t. Exercises are just exercises, whereas shooting an ICBM over another country is a massive provocation well beyond anything the US or South Korea has ever done.
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u/The_Only_Dick_Cheney Nov 07 '22
Then sign an ending to the Korean War…
The war technically never ended, so this is justified for both sides.
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u/HobGoblin2 Nov 07 '22
Yet firing ballistic missiles near to your neighbours is not? Pull the other one Kim.
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u/Radingod123 Nov 07 '22
Imagine just watching a year's worth of food for your small struggling village fly over your head and into the sea.
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u/FM-101 Nov 06 '22
Isn't the excercises a response to North Korea literally sending missiles over Japan?
Don't think North Korea realizes how lucky they are. Japan could have easily considered that an act of war which would have triggered the 1960 Japan/US mutual defense pact and steamrolled through North Korea's rinky dink 70s retro army.
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u/green_flash Nov 07 '22
No. Vigilant Storm is a long-planned exercise. It's the successor of Vigilant Ace which used to be held annually until 2018 when Trump axed the exercises calling them too expensive and too provocative towards North Korea.
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u/NuteTheBarber Nov 07 '22
Its a shame bolton squashed talks with north korea trump and Moon jae in were making real progress.
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u/unknownSubscriber Nov 07 '22
You mean the photo ops at the DMZ? Trump got played hard.
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u/bumboclawt Nov 07 '22
NK is lucky but to call them rinky-dink is dismissive. They have a shitload of tunnels that lead directly into Seoul and have a fuckton of artillery ready to shoot at Seoul. Their navy and air force are a joke but they have 9 million soldiers on reserve status… if the US/SK start war, Seoul is getting decimated.
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u/L_Cranston_Shadow Nov 07 '22
More importantly, they have China backing them implicitly, because if China lets them fall, then they have South Korea, an ally of the US, right at their border, which is unacceptable to them.
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u/Tripanes Nov 07 '22
They have a shitload of tunnels that lead directly into Seoul
You think those things are still usable after 60 years?
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u/Proof_Eggplant_6213 Nov 07 '22
I’ve actually been in some of them, they are still usable.
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u/nereusfreight Nov 06 '22
No its not
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u/Super_Cap_3023 Nov 07 '22
NK applogizer!
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u/NeisanKyaroru Nov 07 '22
He isn't. He's correct. The exercise drills had already been scheduled and aren't abnormal in the slightest for South Korea/US. They extended the exercises in response to North Korea's recent actions.
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u/nereusfreight Nov 07 '22
I got down voted for answering a question? lol
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u/NeisanKyaroru Nov 07 '22
Yeah I dunno man lol. Don't get it myself.
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u/nereusfreight Nov 07 '22
All I was saying was no, not in response to their actions. I am Air Force, and I know first hand our exercises are pre-planned months in advance, and take a lot of man power and time to coordinate. They are exercises, because what do you do to get better? You exercise right? Our military is always practiceing our skills, and getting ready for the fight. We will never stop exercises. They're never held in response to anything.
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u/NeisanKyaroru Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
Wtf I didn't downvote you. I was agreeing with you the whole time...
Fuck sake mate
Edit: or did some random person downvote me for no reason and you were just explaining what you were talking about again? I'm fucking lost about this thread now lol
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u/nereusfreight Nov 07 '22
I was just explaining, who knows who downvoted. I dont really care about the downvotes.
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u/Solomon_Orange Nov 07 '22
Fellow military, so I don't see what the downvotes are for either. Some people want to go to war really badly.
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u/Super_Cap_3023 Nov 07 '22
I was mostly meming
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u/NeisanKyaroru Nov 07 '22
It's hard to tell sometimes around these parts lol. My bad.
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u/Donut_of_Patriotism Nov 07 '22
How so?
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u/NeisanKyaroru Nov 07 '22
For the reason that I said. They were already scheduled before North Korea starting popping off missles left and right recently.
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u/datSubguy Nov 07 '22
Seems like an appropriate reaction to NKs funny business.
White House says North Korea is covertly shipping artillery to Russia
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u/johnnycashesbutthole Nov 07 '22
As soon as we get some bread, we’re gonna kick your asses over this outrage.
Unrelated, can we get some bread?
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u/Fairycharmd Nov 07 '22
I read that the cost of sending all these Rockets is equivalent to the cost of their imported rice from China budget.
I think they got bigger concerns than no bread man
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u/Moldy_Michael Nov 07 '22
Keep the people hungry, hungry people don't rebel against tyranny.
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u/SVZ0zAflBhUXXyKrF5AV Nov 07 '22
While food is strictly rationed by a persons age (in basic groups) so you are always hungry, the obedience and fear runs far deeper than that.
They're taught from a very early age to basically worship the ruling family. They have a whole mythology about their divinity. On a regular basis the public form into small groups which basically tear each other apart for any wrong thoughts or actions towards the ruling family. It's a point of great pride to snitch on anyone who may be thinking or doing something wrong.
They also have rules about where the official portraits are placed, how high they are hung on the wall, that no other photo may be on the same wall and that the portrait is properly dusted using the correct duster. Inspections are carried out to see that this is done.
If a photo of the leader is in a newspaper you are forbidden to scrunch it up and throw it away. You must hand it in, I forget where, for it to be collected with the respect it deserves.
The most loyal of the people are housed towards the centres of towns/cities. Those considered to be unworthy and/or less loyal are out in rural areas.
As you may have guessed, communications are monitored and files are kept on people.
If you are unfortunate enough to be taken away to one of the camps you are nothing more than an animal to them and will be treated as such. You're slave labour. You will be made to watch your friends and family being beaten and killed.
A while back I watched a documentary about dictators. There was an interview with a woman who escaped from North Korea. She said that looking back she was disgusted with how she thought and acted. She said that at the time she really did look upon exposing other peoples wrong thoughts and actions in those group sessions with a sense of great pride in her devotion to the leader. It's what they were brought up to believe from a very early age.
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u/Moldy_Michael Nov 10 '22
Well of course it's more detailed than that, Tyranny requires far more active tactics and plays than just food.
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u/SVZ0zAflBhUXXyKrF5AV Nov 10 '22
Yeah, I figured you already knew. That wasn't really why I mentioned all that stuff and it wasn't really aimed at you, so I'm sorry for my poor choice of words. And yes, there is great psychological power in controlling access to food for people and animals.
My reason for mentioning some of the things they go through is because sometimes I've seen people joking about the dictator and his family or wondering why the people don't rise up against them. I've seen similar comments wondering why the Russian people don't rebel against Putin. Put simple, I was just trying to give readers some more information and the perspective of the people who live there.
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u/LevyAtanSP Nov 07 '22
I notice that they’ll call out anything as provocation, while still too scaredy cat to fire missiles at anything other than a massive body of water.
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u/DeutschlandOderBust Nov 07 '22
I’m so sick of idiot men ruining the planet and our existences simply to stroke their own egos and be rich.
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u/LuckyRune88 Nov 07 '22
NK can go fuck itself.. Sending Missiles over other Countries airspace is a dangerous provocation.
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u/mynearmisses Nov 07 '22
North Korea is irrelevant. Just why? It’s just something that does not make sense. They just are not looking forward.
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u/Fairycharmd Nov 07 '22
well, they’re probably growing as the number one working missile supplier to the Russians… I mean their only competition is Iran at the moment.
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u/routerg0d Nov 07 '22
Because it’s a financial pressure on the US. China would rather see us leave but Russia has use for bankrupting us. Not that this costs is much. SK pays for a lot of it.
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u/Proper-Abies208 Nov 07 '22
N-Korea launches balistic missiles over Japan and then accuses other countries of being provocative? Iran....Russia....North Korea.....what's wrong with these people???
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u/VintageJDizzle Nov 07 '22
I always think of NK like that scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail with the witch.
(Crowd) "She's a witch!"
(Bedevere) "How do you know she is a witch?"
(Crowd) "She looks like one! That hat! The nose!"
(Accused witch): "First of all, this is not my nose, it's a false one. And they put the hat on me."
(Bedevere) "Well?"
(Crowd) "No, no, no! Well, yes, yes. Ok, yes, we did do the hat. And the nose. But she's a witch!"Except with NK, it's like
(World) "You shot missiles over [whatever]."
(NK): "No no! [long pause] Well, yes. BUT WE HAD TO!"
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u/DrSueuss Nov 07 '22
And North Korea doesn't see that firing missiles over Japanese territory isn't a dangerous provocation.
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u/CanIGetABeep_Beep Nov 07 '22
fires random high explosives into the ocean for years threatens major conflict with world superpowers on a quarterly basis
won't stop shooting missiles over foreign countries for no reason
"hey stop provoking >:("
fucking dictators
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u/numbers_88 Nov 07 '22
Well, North Korea says a lot of things. I don't understand why Kim is so concerned about South Korea and the USA. Everyone in North Korea knows the they have defeated both countries in every major war. North Korea won WW2 after all..... This should be as easy as eating a sandwich for Kim's army.
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u/Greedy_Artichoke3940 Nov 07 '22
They have to keep feeding Godzilla to stop him from destroying Japan so they will drop nukes into the ocean.
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u/font9a Nov 07 '22
US and South Korea didn't crash any missiles into NK waters or fly into their territorial airspace, so it couldn't have been that dangerous.
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u/VegasKL Nov 07 '22
Sounds like someone is just bitter they weren't invited to the cool kids drills.
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Nov 07 '22
You know, the moment a Godzilla-like creature emerges from those murky depths and sets its sights on NK, they better be ready. I don't want to hear no bullcrap from them about how they always liked the West, Japan, and South Korea. How they don't have food, rockets, and aid. Or how they need everyone else's help to defend against this beast incarnate titan as it destroys their fartherland and its people.
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u/Jaiples Nov 07 '22
"smash the enemies' persistent war hysteria" man this is like when you're in the gaslighting championship and you reach world champion status, national level gaslighting hahaha
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u/---nom--- Nov 07 '22
Well that's a first. It's not like North Korea to fire missiles. He's going to be called rocket man if he keeps this up.
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u/HarpoonNPuppies Nov 07 '22
Why even report on this shit anymore. Either NK pops off, or they can just sit on mute. It’s not even worth reporting or listening to anymore.
Same with all of Russians copium death threats. Fucking nuke Ukraine, or keep sending body bags to the front for your “””soldiers””” and shut up.
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u/marked198 Nov 07 '22
North Korea is the one who started this shit by sending missiles over the waters.
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u/sickofthisshit Nov 07 '22
North Korea would say that their missile tests are a response to these exercises. These exercises happen pretty much every year, North Korea throws a fit every year, the US and ROK ignore the fit, see you next year.
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u/Imacatdoincatstuff Nov 07 '22
If they want to harm you Mr Kim, they’ll just do it it. They won’t provoke you first.
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u/Fairycharmd Nov 07 '22
I saw an article on SBS where they were talking about the cost of the Rockets so 25 rockets over the last week at $3 million per rocket rough guess is I think the national food budget for North Korea for a year.
How many rockets did they sell to Russia? They have enough money to be able to launch 25 random penis displays into the eastern sea? I am very interested to see how that plays out, but they will be much penis waggling on both sides and absolutely nothing will happen just as it has for the last 50 years.
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u/FlightAble2654 Nov 07 '22
Shut up, Kim. You just spent all your fuel and your poor peoples rice money. Damn Tyrant.
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u/Donut_of_Patriotism Nov 07 '22
Honestly North Korea needs to knock off their shit. No one wants North Korea, it’s a shit hole. But if they don’t cut the shit the US and allies might rightfully end the horrific Kim regime.
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u/vVWARLOCKVv Nov 06 '22
This goes for North Korea AND South Korea and their allies:
STFU or do something.
I'm so sick of hearing both sides complaining about the actions of the opposing side.
War, or GTFO.
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u/void_evilness Nov 07 '22
War is not a joke bro
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u/vVWARLOCKVv Nov 07 '22
My comment wasn't meant to be humorous. I meant every word of it very seriously.
When diplomacy and empathy fail, war is the tool we use to remove problem nations from the world board. It's unfortunate, but war is an inevitability that is occurring every hour of every day, around the world. The only thing that changes are the people and nations involved, and the reasons.
If North Korea reaches global nuclear capability nothing good is going to happen. We should nip that shit in the bud and save its citizens from an oppressive regime at the same time OR we should focus our attention and resources on more important tasks and quit worrying about North Korea.
I'm sorry you disagree with my opinion, but it is valid.
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Nov 07 '22
And then you wonder why America is always voted the #1 threat to global peace.
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u/vVWARLOCKVv Nov 07 '22
Yeah because North Korea firing rockets over and around South Korea is just super peaceful. It's totally the US's fault, we're the assholes.
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Nov 07 '22
because only North Korea has this opinion?
The US is nothing more than a powerful international bully, but I guess that's exactly what you want anyway.
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u/ChonsonPapa Nov 07 '22
Media really trying to push a certain narrative lately… lot of fear mongering and threats of imminent nuclear world war, famine, economic collapse, immigration crisis, climate emergencies and so forth. Wonder what they are mentally preparing us for?
It’s obvious a populace can be controlled and with todays tech and access to (centralized) information, we are sitting ducks easily coerced and controlled by fear. Information and the ability to inform is priceless in a crusade for control and when you own the media, you own the minds of the people. If only we could all come together and tell these handlers to fuck right off so we can save our planet from its ensuing downfall.
I know this will be an unpopular opinion here but thats ok, I know I’m not the only one here who isn’t blind 🙂
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u/VintageJDizzle Nov 07 '22
The NK narrative is not new. Every now and then, the Kim regime saber rattles and the news gets all excited about it and pretends the apocalypse is imminent, like this story has never been head before. Instead, it's more like the 20th chapter in the Fast and the Furious series.
What you need to watch is the South Korean media and news to assess the threat. The people who live in Seoul. If they are not concerned, you don't have reason to be. But if they start to get nervous, then you do really need to worry.
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u/werschless Nov 07 '22
North Korea would be annihilated, try some more while your people eat grass to survive
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u/El1Zilla Nov 07 '22
Atlatians are gonna go after Kim the sea dragon slayer. Honestly how many nukes as NK launched in the last 5 years into the ocean 40?
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u/whomeverIwishtobe Nov 07 '22
They’re right we messed up - we should have done hella missile tests on the border too.
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u/Thunderhorse2 Nov 07 '22
I mean they ARE provocations… Gosh last time I was there was 2015-2016 and is now 2022 and they still doing the same sh!t…
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u/johnn48 Nov 07 '22
Which came first, I thought their missile launches began before the exercises. At least they attracted the most attention.
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u/PeregrinePacifica Nov 07 '22
Lmao, N Korea is just copying the political tactics of Russia and China completely at this point.
At this point they are less China's angry lap pomeranian and more a dollarstore "Mini-Me".
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u/spoogekangaroo Nov 07 '22
Yeah, but constantly firing missiles toward/over Japan is just neighborly fun.
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u/Shipkiller-in-theory Nov 07 '22
They have been saying that forever. Every time we held "Team Spirit" in the 80's they would bitch about it.
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u/Vaulters Nov 07 '22
Nobody cares about you, NK. Just stay quiet in your hole until the people revolt.
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u/User667 Nov 07 '22
I’ve seen Kim. If they want to hold their own exercises, they should, but there’s about NK that screams exercise.
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u/vulto123 Nov 06 '22
When is this war of NK vs the sea gonna end?