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North Korea: Missile tests were practice to attack South, US North Korea
https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-south-korea-north-pyongyang-government-and-politics-be37c264c703b7963a46e8bcb385b8da546
u/RooftopKor Nov 07 '22
Whenever I see this kind of news I wonder how soon the US would be able to detect NK’s imminent attack. Like I would think the US would know pretty much everything well in advance and my guess would be if NK would really attack SK or US, the US military would strike first
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u/Mountain-Crazy69 Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
Living in SK, I really hope the US would retaliate swiftly should NK attack. Apparently SK/US have the capacity to detect a missile launch instantaneously, and shortly after predict it’s path and target
I also hope I don’t get bombed, if they ever do enough shrooms to think attacking SK cities directly would be a good idea.
I don’t live in Seoul, but I live in the center of the biggest city in my province…. So if they did attack multiple cities, I’d be a goner.
99.9999% chance that would never happen though. Right?…
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u/OfficialHavik Nov 07 '22
An NK attack on the South would lead to the total annihilation of NK and that regime. I can't imagine them ever making such a drastic move as to attack the south.
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u/Mountain-Crazy69 Nov 07 '22
That’s basically what I tell myself. The world only needs one good reason to slap NK off the map. I’d like to think they’re smart enough to know this, too.
It’s like that annoying jerk of a kid that nobody likes but never gives anyone a good enough reason to knock him upside the head.
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u/_Rand_ Nov 07 '22
Unfortunately a lot of innocent South Koreans are going to die in the process.
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u/Mountain-Crazy69 Nov 07 '22
Which is why I hope it never happens.
But I also never thought Putin/Russia would actually go full Genghis on Ukraine, and here we are.
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u/Kaatochacha Nov 07 '22
That one was at least more understandable from Russia's perspective: when they took Crimea, the world stood by and pretended to see nothing, and they accomplished it pretty quickly. I think they believed the same thing would happen with invading other areas of Ukraine.
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u/No-Reach-9173 Nov 07 '22
Of course they did. But the forgot about the part where Ukraine had been constantly training with the west since their last invasion.
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u/deletable666 Nov 07 '22
They were constantly fighting the Russians and the separatist militias that Russia has funded as well. They have been at war since 2014
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u/andoryu123 Nov 07 '22
When South Korea bombs landed in North Korea territory, North Korea shelled an island and killed folks.
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u/emotionalwreck123456 Nov 07 '22
No fr. Esp with a nuke. NK has 20 and the US has 5.5k. They know a war like that will kill them completely
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u/nth_power Nov 07 '22
“The leader” needs to have children so to wish a better future for them. Right now, I think he would retaliate with nukes if attacked.
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u/Classic_Arugula_3826 Nov 07 '22
If they do more shrooms they might stop threatening war too
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u/Metalmind123 Nov 07 '22
This is sounding more and more like the idea of a cold war era CIA op and I'm so down with it.
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u/FaceWithAName Nov 07 '22
Us wouldn't just do an outright strike without concrete evidence an attack would happen because of backlash. You think conspiracy theories are crazy now, wait until that scenario happens lol
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u/LeeisureTime Nov 07 '22
By missile: SK has THAAD (missile defense system).
By air force: laughable, they have outdated planes from the 50’s/60’s, no pilot training to speak of, and even less fuel/ammo
But the real threat is the artillery shelling. Seoul is well within range of their artillery and with the density of that city, people would die by the thousands, every minute. Not just from the shells, but the collapsing buildings, etc.
NK can fire at any time. They choose not to. SK and US would then have no reason not to completely dismantle their military.
They just have to remind the world that they exist and they have teeth.
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u/nth_power Nov 07 '22
If it’s so obvious that he would lose, then you can be sure he will use the nukes as a parting good bye.
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u/jrinformant Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
There are many different missile defense systems, and they are not limited to just shortly after launch (boost phase). There are also systems that intercept during the Mid-Course phase and Terminal phase. Each comes with its pros and cons, Terminal is easier to hit but a shorter window, Mid-Course is a bigger window but requires a big missile and more complex radar/targeting system, etc etc. Most modern missile defense programs will have layers of different overlapping defense systems, including defenses that target different stages.
One of the systems South Korea uses is the THAAD missile defense system, which is a terminal phase targeting system, for example.
So we aren’t just screwed once the missile is out of the boost phase, we’ve developed better solutions since those days :)
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u/FiNNy- Nov 07 '22
To be fair, this would still be considers the "First" Korean War, it never officially ended.
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u/SerendipitouslyNSFW Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
That's not necessarily true anymore. South Korea operates American counter battery radar which can accurately determine the location of an artillery battery that had just fired and generate a firing solution for friendly artillery so that it can fire a shell back before the first shell had landed. Given enough readiness prep (and the US can detect a build up of troops in Russia where the US has no radar assets on the border of, let alone in North Korea where the US has one of the largest concentrations of military assets in the world), the North Korean artillery gets exactly one round per gun (remember, at North Korean CEPs which isn't exactly something you'd write home about) before their entire artillery force gets obliterated by South Korean and American counterbattery fire, MLRS fire and air power. In any military invasion the correct move would be to target enemy counterbatteries and military installations to minimize resistance, rather than committing murder-suicide by wasting ammo on civilian targets before immediately getting plastered by a counterattack.
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u/HouseOfSteak Nov 07 '22
Anyone: "There is a weakness in their military and defense systems."
America: "There was a weakness in our military and defense systems."
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u/aimgorge Nov 07 '22
It would take days to counter-battery everything NK has. NK artillery is bunkerised and they have 6000 systems in range to hit Seoul. That's twice more than Russia used in Ukraine. Simple shells wouldn't be enough to take all of it down.
By the time counter battery reaches its target, attacker has the time to shoot at least one complete Salvo.
Let's say a Salvo is 6 shells and all 6000 systems shoot once. It's at least 36000 shells on Seoul within the first 15 to 30mn. Now if you had air-ground missiles and ballistic...
Seoul is a gigantic city though, it would get badly damaged but far from completely destroyed
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u/SharpStarTRK Nov 07 '22
Hint hint, CIA and NSA. The very ones that made Putin lose trust in GRU and his spymaster
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u/OnionTruck Nov 07 '22
Russia by buying all their stuff, so they'll be using spears and animal hide shields soon.
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u/Art-Zuron Nov 07 '22
It worked for the Zulu. At least for a bit.
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u/Icy_Elephant_6370 Nov 07 '22
Worked for the Zulu because the Zulu people were insane athletes and also had an insane general in Shaka.
None of which North Korea or Kim have lol.
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u/TPrice1616 Nov 07 '22
Maybe it’s because I’ve seen this so many times, maybe it’s because there is an ongoing war that is way more likely to spiral out of control, but I’m legitimately not concerned here? Unless one of the missiles actually hits something, on purpose or by accident, this isn’t really news aside from them violating Japanese airspace.
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u/what_if_Im_dinosaur Nov 07 '22
You don't think it's news because it isn't. NK has been waging war on the pacific ocean for decades. They can't, and won't invade SK, ever. It's all Saber rattling. The joint military excercises, the missiles into the sea, all of it. A giant, and frankly asymmetrical dick measuring contest.
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u/meatsweet Nov 07 '22
Even if they could, what the fuck are they gonna do when SK and/or US invades? Pray that Russia comes to help? Their army sure as shit ain’t gonna do anything. They can barely feed their people, let alone wage a war.
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u/banananutnightmare Nov 07 '22
I have a dumb question and I'm feeling bold tonight. Are these missiles killing whales, dolphins, other ocean life? Every time I see these headlines I imagine dead whales :(
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u/Nightchade Nov 07 '22
If the missiles detonate, then yes, it would be lethal to anything within blast radius of the compression wave. Anything in there is likely jellified.
It's almost a certainty that these missiles have dummy warheads, though, and simply meant to simulate the weight of a live payload. So no boom, no dead whales... unless one is incredibly unlucky, anyway. Getting hit by a missile directly, live or not, would still ruin your day.
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u/Herpderpkeyblader Nov 07 '22
I would imagine they don't want to waste money to launch actual warheads and not use them for war.
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u/CowboyAirman Nov 07 '22
Just want to add that, while I don’t know for certain, they haven’t tested a medium or long range warhead detonation, they have used live warheads on short range missiles and long range artillery that they fire at some of their islands. But basically, they are detonating them on land…unless they miss, of course.
I can’t recall a live warhead test other than underground nuke tests.
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u/lallen Nov 07 '22 •
The ocean is big. BIG. And although whales are bigger than people (possibly except OPs mom), they are tiny and very much spread out when you compare it to the sea. The odds of hitting whales are astronomical.
What is actually killing a lot of marine life right now is the intense use of sonars in the Black Sea, combined with pollution from ships sunk there. If you want to get a bit depressed, look up the effect of sonars on whales.
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u/Art-Zuron Nov 07 '22
Yeah, I've got the impression that if they ever did invade SK, half their army would defect basically immediately. If they don't, they'll probably starve to death, or die from worms. All while being shredded by the SK military.
But, if they did attack, it'd be a worse massacre than even Russia, because South Korea's essentially armed to the teeth. NK is more likely to nuke themselves in their incompetence than SK I think.
They're opportunists though I bet. They'll wait until China goes after Japan,.Taiwan, Signapore, or even SK itself. China's in a rough spot, so they might risk it if they thought they could control NK.
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u/ChickpeaPredator Nov 07 '22 •
or die from worms
"Full moon calls thee, Shai-hulud"
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u/SonnyBallonDOr Nov 07 '22
And here I'm here serving military in Korea and freaking out lol.
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u/UnprofessionalGhosts Nov 07 '22
If you’re in the US, there’s no concern. They can’t reach us, despite claiming they can. If they tried, it’ll be intercepted.
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u/awaitingdusk17 Nov 07 '22
No. Fucking. Shit.
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u/isonlegemyuheftobmed Nov 07 '22
Yea I don't understand what there is to even discuss, you think they were practicing to bomb china? Lmao
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u/calumin Nov 07 '22
“Hey, pay attention to me! If you don’t act scared then Putin won’t pay me what he promised. Pay attention! I’m going to attack now!! I MEAN IT!!!”
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u/BourboneAFCV Nov 07 '22
we can't go to WWIII, i gotta take care of my dog
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u/Infinite_throwaway_1 Nov 07 '22
Taking care of my dog is going to be the hardest part about ww3 for me.
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u/No_Poet_7244 Nov 07 '22
North Korea is like that amateur author who is worried people won't understand their extremely obvious subtext, so they state outright what they meant three paragraphs later.
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u/Clawoftherooster Nov 07 '22
To attack south US? what in tarnation did we do the them?
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u/1infinitefruitloop Nov 07 '22
Georgia chucked one too many rotten peaches over the demilitarized zone.
In all seriousness though, the US is legally still at war with North Korea, no treaty was ever signed.
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u/Lazy-Ad7063 Nov 07 '22
killed 20% of their population
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u/AFisberg Nov 07 '22
Could've saved 100% of the casualties by not attacking the South in the first place
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u/Literature-South Nov 07 '22
I don't understand what they think is going to happen? Maybe we shoot their missle out of the sky. Maybe we don't. But they definitely can't shoot ours out of the sky.
Bye Bye pyong-yang
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u/SolarMoth Nov 07 '22
The problem is that they can probably do some damage to our allies.... South Korea and Japan. If the US retaliates, they will probably go for those targets.
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u/Literature-South Nov 07 '22
I don't know much about war games, but I believe you. I don't think we can assume NK is a rational actor in such a situation.
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u/THElaytox Nov 07 '22
Yeah that's the big problem, they have a whole DMZ worth of ww2 era artillery pointed directly at Seoul. Can't be hacked, can't be intercepted, could easily kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people in a very short amount of time.
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u/meatsweet Nov 07 '22
I don’t think we’d use nukes though. So we’d have to shoot a lot more missiles. It’d likely be consistent bombings over the span of days and weeks
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u/Literature-South Nov 07 '22
All I know is we're not fighting another land war in Korea. It would be missile bombardment and bombers. Maybe a nuke eventually if it really, really got out of hand.
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u/ClintiusMaximus Nov 07 '22
Imagine of Biden just released the following statement: "Fuck around and find out, you bunch of pussy cunts"
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u/Beowulf33232 Nov 07 '22
Japan attacked America once.
The running joke is that America did not drop 100 bombs. They did not drop 1,000 bombs. They did not drop 10,000 bombs.
America dropped two bombs. One of them was (depending on who you ask) after the surrender of Japan.
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u/iMakeBoomBoom Nov 07 '22
It is obvious to the entire world that if North Korea were to launch a real attack on South Korea or U.S., Kim’s reign would quickly end. One way or another. It’s like a little toddler kicking an adult. What is his goal here? Just showing off to his subjects? Sure, he might kill some of his perceived enemies, but at what cost? He will be annihilated. How does he not know this?
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u/That-Dragonfruit-567 Nov 07 '22
I’ve seen a few situations where someone does something they knew they shouldn’t have.
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u/GMN123 Nov 07 '22
He does know this. He's just trying to stay relevant and look strong to his people.
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u/MrOnCore Nov 07 '22
I’m betting right now China is like “These A-Holes in NK better stop their shit talking. Got enough problems with the dipshits in Russia trying to ruin things already.”
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u/reallygoodbee Nov 07 '22
North Korea will never attack the US. They have a pact with China that if the US hits first, China has to defend them. If they attack first, China doesn't have to do shit.
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u/Animus0724 Nov 07 '22
"North Korea graciously shares intel about its capabilities to US and SK intelligence."
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u/TKRBrownstone Nov 07 '22
If North Korea shot a missile aimed at the United States, there would no longer be a North Korea.
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u/Apple_Pie_4vr Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
Why do I think it’s the fucking Russians mucking this shit up
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Nov 07 '22
North Korea really isn't doing itself any favours, isn't it?
I hope the people get rid of the intergenerational red monarchs themselves before it's too late.
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u/FlightAble2654 Nov 07 '22
They couldn't reach the mainland. Missiles would be taken out as soon as the trajectory was determined. I am sure we have the capability but don't want to display it yet. Remember Star Wars and Regan?
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All these dictators stirring shit up is so obviously to direct attention away from russia and the war they started but now are losing. Putin called his buddies and went "plz Kim, do a little dance so the bad west looks at you a bit. Also, got any weapons? We wre totally not running out of weapons btw, just want to take a look at some of your that you can spare".
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u/Umbra_Dark_Wing Nov 07 '22
North Korea should learn from Russia what happens when you fuck around. You find out.
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u/Similar_Candidate789
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North Korea is fucking around and about to find out why I don’t have universal healthcare.
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u/MajesticRat Nov 07 '22
It's funny because it's true
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u/Ballute Nov 07 '22
It's not though, in fact universal healthcare would be significantly cheaper than the US's current system.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416416/single-payer-systems-likely-save-money-us-analysis-finds
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u/TheChiefRedditor Nov 07 '22
NK General: US and SK are sending bombers in a preemptive strike in response to our missile test launch drills.
Kj Un: Holy shit! Launch all missiles now! For real this time!
NK General:We are out of missiles, sir.
Kj Un: what u mean we out of missile!?
Nk General: We shot them all into sea, sir.
Kj Un: FUCK!
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u/Smitty8054 Nov 07 '22
Hey Kimmie perhaps START working on a way to feed your people and quit flexing.
The world has seen how effective the weapons of the west and Europe are without any boots on the ground.
Something tells me his army’s training and equipment may even be laughed at by Russia at this point.
Maybe stop with the missiles going into the sea and help out a couple of your people.
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u/xxpact Nov 07 '22 edited Nov 07 '22
No country is stressing North Korea and their endless battle with the city of Atlantis.
Kim damn well knows if he strikes a single country under Americas iron shield, it will be the end of NK as a whole.
Go back to practicing your Juche and stfu
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u/merit33 Nov 07 '22
/sigh
Like why pretend you want to pick a fight you're guaranteed to lose?
Focus on feeding your people!
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u/Fnulle87 Nov 07 '22
When is North Korea going to stop with this bullshit?
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u/diaryofsnow Nov 07 '22
My guy this is like their entire thing
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u/HutSutRawlson Nov 07 '22
They’re like the geopolitical equivalent of an aggressive homeless person that we just give money to so they don’t bother us.
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u/RubiksSugarCube Nov 07 '22
When he gets a call from one of Xi Jinping's cronies telling him to knock it off.
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u/Kraka2 Nov 07 '22
What a relief. Thought they were practicing an attack on the whales.
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u/autotldr BOT Nov 07 '22
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot)
SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea's military said Monday its recent barrage of missile tests were practices to attack its rivals' air bases and warplanes and paralyze their operation command systems, showing Pyongyang's resolve to counter provocative U.S.-South Korean military drills "More thoroughly and mercilessly."
North Korea fired dozens of missiles and flew warplanes last week, triggering evacuation alerts in some South Korean and Japanese areas, in response to massive U.S.-South Korean air force drills that the North views as an invasion rehearsal.
ADVERTISEMENT. Even before the "Vigilant Storm" drills, North Korea test-launched a slew of missiles in what it called simulated nuclear attacks on U.S. and South Korean targets in protests of its rivals' other sets of military exercises that involved a U.S. aircraft for the first time in five years.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: North#1 military#2 missile#3 Korean#4 drills#5
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u/s4t0sh1n4k4m0t0 Nov 07 '22
So, basically they justified South Korea and the United States doing the drills in the first place, got it
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u/chonk312 Nov 07 '22
Can someone ELIA5 what would happen to North Korea if they attacked the US in any capacity? In my limited world view I would imagine the US would just wipe them off the map in like a weekend. But I’m sure the situation is far more complex than that.
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u/zzzUNDOXABLEzzz Nov 07 '22
Depends on the attack but yes, they would be wiped off the map in a weekend. If it was a small attack on a civilian ship or something than likely little response outside of no more government aid, if it was something like a ICBM shot at LA then probably destroyed beyond repair.
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u/tikifire1 Nov 07 '22
They're gambling China would probably come to their aid like they did the last time at the very least. At this point I'm not so sure they would. They do like having a buffer state there but I'm not sure they would want to be involved in a war there at this point.
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u/buttholefluid Nov 07 '22
I don't think Kim Jong Un quite realizes how easy it would be for the U.S. to turn that entire country into a nuclear wasteland.
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u/iMakeBoomBoom Nov 07 '22
Let’s be honest. The use of nuclear weapons by any world power is extremely unlikely. The world would immediately turn against any nation who did that. That being said, the US would still blow the entire nation to smithereens with traditional missiles, drones, and bombers. Kim has to know this. Unless he thinks that China will back him up. In which case we have WW3. Which neither China nor US want. China and U.S. should work together, behind the scenes to “address the issue”. This would benefit both nations greatly.
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u/Gruffstuff2021 Nov 07 '22
Kim wants a candy bar and he's going to launch missiles until he gets one.
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u/garren_teed Nov 07 '22
Meh. North Korea can’t do shit correctly. Kim’s just pissed nobody takes him seriously. Go ahead and try, little man, you’ll find out pretty quickly your country isn’t shit.
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u/Verryfastdoggo Nov 07 '22
China has to be happy that the US forces in the region will turn their watchful eye away from Taiwan to look at good ol evil North Korea for a minute.
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u/wheely-overhead Nov 07 '22
NK can't feed their own people. Waging a war against SK or anyone else will simply destroy NK completely.
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u/JessSuperSub Nov 07 '22
How they even have so many missiles to waste? Every few days they keep firing those stating some stupid reason.
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u/Major-Phrase5668 Nov 07 '22
North korea got nothing better to do. They can waste so much of resources on such idiocies. Wonder who funds them so much !?
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u/Ok-Worker5125 Nov 07 '22
So nk has like a few nukes. And? They nuke us like 2 times, most likely on our cities, and they expect what. Us to just back down? We can destroy the entire peninsula if we really wanted to.
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u/Clueless_Questioneer Nov 07 '22
We can destroy the entire peninsula if we really wanted to.
You already have, that's actually part of the problem
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u/Ok-Worker5125 Nov 07 '22
We’ll do it again if they dont fuckin stop
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u/Clueless_Questioneer Nov 07 '22
Problem is you might do it again even if they stop. I think Libia is a very instructional example here
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u/Ok-Worker5125 Nov 07 '22
We didnt even go to libya. The lybian people wanted a better guy, we wanted them to use USD. We helped them take their guy out. Now they buy and sell oil in usd. Its a fair trade, north korea however is just a tiny country, with no farm land and no resources. The reason they suck ass isnt because of the US.
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u/ChanceTheGardenerr Nov 07 '22
Stupid headline. What else would they be ‘practicing’?
They do this literally all the time.
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u/EvidentlyEmpirical Nov 07 '22
LOL Kim has to realize that if he tried he'd fail... AND that he'd become naughty but ash soon after.
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u/Nekomiminya Nov 07 '22
You can't fool us, Kim.
Thank you for your service in defending world against Gozilla
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u/mctoasterson Nov 07 '22
"Tomorrow, at 4pm... I'm gonna sneak attack ya!"
NK is literally Eric Matthews in the later seasons.
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u/Negative_Band183 Nov 07 '22
NK literally will no do shit. While the relative militaries need to take it seriously, Kim knows a single shell inside a SK city will end his life and dynasty. As always, all bark for a bone and no bite.
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u/NarcolepticKnifeFite Nov 07 '22
What I’m not getting is that would be an absolute fucking pointless move. All it would do is get your whole entire country wiped off the fucking map. They hit South Korea, North Korea will cease to exist.
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u/JimHFD103 Nov 07 '22
NK "We're actively practicing to nuke SK and US... and we're flying our mssiles over Japan because we can"
Also NK: "Those exercises between SK and US in SK no where near the border are a clear and direct threat, why would they do such a thing??!"