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COMMENT 1d ago
That's not general aid, that's a type of military aid used by the US.
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COMMENT 2d ago
What specifically makes you think that a trailer park is better? Do you not understand that having a MIF where we can't enforce basic rules is bloody big danger to public health.
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COMMENT 2d ago
If you were to design a purpose built facility it would look nothing like one of these hotels
Are you aware of how long it would take to build a 'purpose built facility'? I disagree, they would look like hotels.
A lot of these hotels have elevators to access the smoking area. Hypothetically: Bobs on day 2, he returned a negative day zero test, as well as a negative predeparture test at his origin location, but was exposed to covid at his departure airport. It is unlikely he would produce a positive result or show symptoms by day 2. Bob went for a cigarette (he was an extra good boy and wore gloves, but didn’t replace them after his durry), pressed the necessary lift buttons to get to his floor, these lift buttons are not sterilised after every guests uses the lift, the next person to use that list is Sally only a few minutes later, she’s on day 14, heading downstairs to check out after producing a negative day 12 test, she’s not wearing gloves because returnees aren’t mandated to. She touches the same buttons as Bob did. Now I understand that’s a small chance, but you do this with thousands of people a day, and throw in a dozen covid positive returnees per week, it’s going to happen eventually. Thats just one example of the MIQs shortfalls.
You do know that they sanitize their hands before and after touching the buttons specifically to stop that from happening?
Every single one of those staff with in those MIQs are at high risk
90% of people are designated as low (but not nil) risk. High risk (such as assistants) are and carry out the high risk tasks as opposed to lower risk roles such as NZDF security group.
And it’s not because of the risk
That is contrary to my firsthand experience.
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COMMENT 2d ago
One thing to keep in mind here is that a major part of this is making sure that guests aren't just walking around facilities without mask and bubble breaching. Hotels work because you can have cameras on every floor and for returnees to say, have a smoke, they have to call first and we can manage it in a way that people coming down for a smoke don't bubble breach.
If we were to set up a massive caravan park, we would need a massive amount of staff to enforce the rules, enforcing rules would be a lot harder, and to actually make this trailer mark MIQ actually sanitary, I would imagine that it would take years to build.
In short: hotels aren't perfect, but they make managing returnees a lot easier, they already exist, and allow us to make use of economies of scale.
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COMMENT 2d ago
I swear that every other week this gets suggested not just on reddit, but also by public health experts. The government responds by telling them the realities of the situation and why that wouldn't work, but nobody listens.
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COMMENT 2d ago
I'm pretty sure that it's closer to 30-40%.
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COMMENT 2d ago
They are 4-star hotels (not isolation facilities)
They are both. The hotels are MIFs.
Day 14 guests can be exposed to day 1 guests
Incorrect. They are not.
Staff that work in them return home at the end of their shifts, after being in (potential) contact with (potentially) covid infected returnees.
Returnees who have either not been tested yet are treated as infected. Staff wear gloves, gowns, M95 masks, face shields, stay at least 2 meters away from guests when around them until day zero tests come through and they are issued a blue band which indicates that they have tested negative which means that they can go into outside areas.
When in outside areas (even when they have been issued the blue band, are separated from the public by two meter tall barriers with mesh over them, they are also kept two meters away from these barriers by barriers on the inside.
When staff may be around guests with a blue band, we either need to have a plastic shielding barrier up or have goggles preferably with a face shield as well on top of an M95.
Staff that work in them return home at the end of their shifts
Staff who are at high risk quite literally live in the hotel.
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COMMENT 2d ago
Ahh, excellent.
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COMMENT 2d ago
One question, why in particular do you think that foreign investors buying stakes in our companies is a bad thing?
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COMMENT 2d ago
To what extent has MIQF remained unchanged in your view?
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COMMENT 2d ago
Fair enough, I have unfairly characterised you.
One issue, however, is that we need to have a viable alternative industry which can see results in the export market if we want to move away from those industries.
They mightn’t be the most productive industries, but industries such as agriculture, tourism, horticulture and education do get us export dollars.
Finding out ‘what is the alternative’ is the million dollar question for a country like NZ.
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COMMENT 2d ago
Does ‘see people arguing that we should be picking our own fruit’ not imply that we should be picking our fruit?
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COMMENT 2d ago
Fruit picking, tourism etc are low productivity and have low productivity growth potential.
Then why did you say that 'New Zealanders' (because apparently immigrants cannot be considered New Zealanders) should be doing those jobs?
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COMMENT 2d ago
I don’t mean to be rude, but diverting workers from more productive areas of our economy to pick fruit (a lower productivity profession), would probably lower our productivity.
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COMMENT 3d ago
Fair enough, IIRC, it is having somewhat of a negative effect on productivity. I don’t remember off the top of my head though, but it was discussed in a report by the productivity commission a while back.
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COMMENT 3d ago
I don't think you quite understand what you are talking about, but that's fine. This is reddit, and I'm not quite sure why I expected anything more.
In short, there is ample economic evidence that fiscal stimulus has caused tight labour markets and it's corresponding effects on LSI, but little to suggest that it is 'actually' the result of immigration changes.
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COMMENT 3d ago
What's not pictured is our house obsessed culture. Our housing supply has quadroupled in the past 10 years. Property seems to be the go to investment here, and since everyone wants in, the entry bar is set quite high.
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COMMENT 3d ago
Instead you like to taunt strangers on reddit when there's "nothing ye can do about it either lol", by saying that you "love seeing you guys crying about it"?
I'm not trying to 'own' you,
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COMMENT 3d ago
Really? Is there economic evidence to suggest that these are due to changes in immigration?
The rich world has undergone a massive fiscal stimulus, and if this were purely due to immigration, wouldn't we expect NZ to see especially good labour market improvements in comparison to other advanced economies?
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COMMENT 3d ago
no government has taken it seriously
You see, we're a Small Advance Economy (SEA), and there are things that SAE's can do to mitigate our comparative disadvantage, but not all of these are options for New Zealand. Some advanced economies are apart of the EU, others are tax havens. New Zealand is capital shallow, geographically isolated, isolated in terms of trade, have a small population (and thus market size), lack frontier firms in the numbers we need and large firms in general.
Again, there are things that we could do, and even if we did all of those things we'd still lagg behind.
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COMMENT 3d ago
Say what you like about the military, but despite this specific case seen in this article, military personnel have the highest covid vaccination rate out of any profession in NZ.
12/16,000 is a pretty negligible number.
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COMMENT 3d ago
I don't quite see what part of this is cool. I get that you might struggle to empathize with people suffering around the world, but it's not a very 'cash money' situation.
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COMMENT 3d ago
Given that the result of a global minimum tax not taking effect would deprive many governments of, IIRC, around 50 billion which would likely be used in a way which would disproportionately help disadvantaged communities, for me at least know that does make me quite sad.
That being said, the last time I even mentioned a global minimum tax being a good thing, an Irish redditor got offended and decided bombard me with messages making fun of Maori culture for about 12 hours.
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COMMENT 3d ago
I'm sorry, are we going to just ignore the vast array of economic journals which label Ireland as a tax haven? When it comes down to, I'm going to put a lot more weight behind their opinion than redditors, but that's just me.
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COMMENT 1d ago
Why would they 'just retire' them because the F-35A is better? I think that it's quite clear that a newer aircraft made with far more advanced tech generally is better.