So you admit that men do not face the same backlash?

Yes, because any country opting to use nuclear weapons won't face strict social and economic retaliation from the rest of the world. It isn't 1945. WMDs have quite the negative reputation world wide. Having them may be a great deterrent, using them is suicide.

This... would be a very advantageous philosophy for your enemy to employ if you are using guerilla tactics.

20? Since when has it been a good time to be in Afghanistan?

So you don't think that is what happened? The devolution and recruitment of misogyny. It's right in the titles of the subreddits. PUA to Redpill to Blackpill. Again, maybe you didn't watch the disenfranchised from PUA get swept into redpill, and redpill users get perverted into blackpill. But I really doubt you are making that argument in earnest.

Yes, please go through the links posted by the other user in this thread with male artists posing with their artwork and demonstrate that you and other redditors told them not to pose with their artwork, in numbers proportional to when women face it.

What evidence would you like me to demonstrate? Say a user posted disparaging comments about a woman posing with their artwork also posts in incel and redpill subreddits, and uses language associated with incel philosophy like bets males, Chads, Stacys, antifeminism etc. Would that satisfy you that they are linked? Again, I'm happy to show you the evidence, but I don't want to fall into a no-true-scotsman fallacy or moving goalposts if I have to demonstrate evidence for something that doesn't really need it, IMO. I think the misogyny is fairly obvious, along with its root causes. So please let me know what evidence would sway you so I don't have to waste time gathering something that you are going to argue against, as your argument isn't evidence-based but coming from someplace else.

Basically I had the mentality that abortion was NBD. Just cells.

Not that anyone wants abortions

I had thought that I did. I was a young dumb teen who did not realize how invasive and traumatic abortions were. I put it on the same level as using a condom, except after the fact and more expensive. Now I realize that that was a pretty stupid and simple view of abortion.

Pro-choice isn't quite as simple as that.

Now I'm gonna preface this next part by saying I've been banned from SRS, TrollX, FDS and a couple others for calling out misandry saying that it isn't a healthy response to misogyny. But you can't honestly think that FDS is the same as r/incel. That's false equivalency, a common logical pitfall that is seen everywhere because the human brain likes symmetry because it requires less brain power to process. Things like saying Democrats are the same as Republicans, the USA was the same as the USSR, Greenpeace is the same as the Klan, etc. Reddit has banned incel groups because they inspired active users to do things like shoot up women on college campuses, drive vehicles through women on the street, shoot women and girls at malls, rape women. I'm sure the next time an active SRS user actively quotes the subreddit's talking points before attempting to commit mass murder in their manifesto, reddit is going to ban those communities too. But SRS users haven't done that.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/p4g9zm/me_with_one_of_my_favorite_finished_pieces/

This is a guy who at the same time yesterday posted his acrylic art to the same community. There was one comment regarding the artist posing with their artwork, "I thought only chick's posed with their artwork." No one else commented on his appearance, gender, or that he posed with his artwork. Sure, he didn't get as many upvotes as OP, but the subject matter is vastly different as well. There was no added time-lapse of the art's creation, and abstract acrylic colors are not as publicly accessible as something like Anchorman, a pop-culture phenomenon with lots of quotable memes and references.

Still, the only comment regarding him appearing with his artwork was instead related to the misogyny women face when posing with his artwork. SRS users weren't brigading the subreddit talking about how men shouldn't pose with their work while trying to justify their misandry using him as a backdrop for their hatred, FDS users weren't hitting on him. People were just appreciative of his artwork. This shows again how those users and communities are not the same as the incel communities and users. But honestly I think the mass murder kind of makes demonstrating further lack of parallels unnecessary.

Celebrities open themselves up for criticism, but misogyny is still misogyny, and it is at the root of all the thirsty and hateful comments women recieve.

Reddit denkt dat je een eenzame jongen bent die probeert te flirten met de artiest.

We had a woman in one of our machine shops. She did good work, but was tiny, probably not even 100lbs. Definitely needed someone to set up heavier things for her. This however, didn't really single her out though, as we had two older retirement age guys who (also did good work) needed more help with heavy lifting than she did. And we had a couple of younger guys who did not ask for help doing heavy lifting when they should have aaaaand hurt themselves.

Yes, Redpill, SRS, FDS are all still active. While reddit has tried to ban blackpill and incel subreddits after they inspired mass shootings and reddit faced bad publicity, similiar subreddits still keep popping up and their users keep showing up everywhere. Their ideologies and talking points pop up everywhere as well.

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A man who posses with their artwork faces almost no backlash for posing with their work, outside of "ironic" backash by those trying to mimic the responses women recieve. It is not proportional to the amount of extra attention women receive.

The reason women receive more objectifying comments and more vitriol are two sides of the same sexist coin. Incels and similiar misogynist angrybecausegirl and thirsty comments from those who view women as objects.

People will not stop posing with their artwork for the reasons I mentioned in my first post, it's a way of sharing a creation. I don't think the appropriate response is to get rid of people posing with their art work, but instead call out the sexist hate and objectifying comments when seen. Removing artists is akin to saying it's a woman's fault for dressing too slutty if she is raped, it's victim blaming. The women who pose with their artworks are targeted because of sexism. Removing the artists doesn't remove the sexism. Removing the sexist users pushes them to dark corners of the web where they start writing manifestos because they feel their behavior and thoughts are normal. They should be called out in public with the hope that eventually they will learn that their behavior is wrong.

You say I took a left turn at the PUA bit. I see you've been a redditor for 11 years. One can surmise that you were on reddit back in 2012 when the user RedPillSchool created the subreddit TheRedPill as a new offshoot of dating advice. Even in the subreddit's description, it still describes itself "Discussion of sexual strategy." Maybe you weren't really aware of the transitions from PUA to Redpill, but surely you can see the jump from redpill to blackpill within what they call the "manosphere." And how it relates to perpetuating a victimhood of Men, hatred of feminism, and misogyny.

If you just want to talk about exclusively about artists posing with their creations, I will openly concede that attractive artists recieve a boost when posing with their artwork (both men and women) but that women receive a greater boost in popularity in addition to objectifying comments (don't have to scroll too far to find someone with cringe worthy thirst).

Not to mention, you say that women don't suffer the same kind of virtrol that men do,

I assume you meant to type the opposite of that. My point is that the sexism that is prevalent in reddit culture and subcultures is the reason why women are more harshly called out on this than men are.

Oh? You don't need help with voice to text?

No offense, but I didn't think you would, it wasn't written for you. You don't really seem like the type. I wrote it to help explain to redditors who don't need voice to text to read comments on the page to them despite having working eyes.

I think that u/Rocky87109 was just making an effort to show that artists posing with their work was common for both genders. If I could hazard a guess, artists posing with their work is generally well received as it demonstrates the creation aspect of art, demonstrating craftsmanship and humanizing it. While some artists post their work looking for technical feedback and appreciation, others post to share in the accomplishment and progress. The latter of the two being more inclined to do things like add time lapses, progress pictures, earlier work comparisons and the like.

However, when an artist poses with their work, if they are young women often they are met with vitriol that isn't repeated when a young man does. The explanation for this is because the vocal group demeaning the artists echo the same misogynistic rhetoric everytime because it has infected reddit's culture.

Reddit, a long while back, had a community of pick up artists who took advantage of nerdy, antisocial, lonely and desperate individuals. The "pick up artists" pushed books, brands, and techniques in order to gain a social media following and the money that comes with it. The efficacy of such techniques they peddled was... doubtful. Attempting to use negging, peacocking and the like. It also dehumanized women and reduced them to sex objects. The rhetoric also encouraged their followers to attempt to be "alpha," and be or at least portray the type of man whom the antisocials were both intimidated by and jealous of. That rhetoric and technique was effective at drawing followers because it played off of the masses prejudices but more importantly, their insecurities. And, by playing with their insecurities, more and more looked for how to fix themselves. Testosterone supplements, protein powder, workout routines, etc.

However, the PUA techniques were not true relationship fixes, they didn't help change antisocial behavior, and obviously, did not produce results.

This birthed a much darker movement. Safe inside echo-chambers, whipers of discontent and frustration reverberated into "red pill" theory, a philosophical outlook of strict gender roles with a strong emphasis on removing the agency of women.

However, even Redpill theory didn't stop evolving. Inside online misogynistic echochambers, men who couldn't pay for an overseas almost underage bride were still frustrated still with what they saw as no results and no sexual gratification. And so black pill theory and involuntary celibacy communities sprung up.

Those communities went on to inspire public shootings of women, and murder. The misogynism birthed and raised inside those communities still permeates reddit's collective consciousness. Coming out if a woman cheats on her husband, gets hit in the face with a soccer ball, or even when she does something simple, like posing with her artwork.

It needs to be called out when seen, and explained.

Lol. My dad was wary of vaccines for a long time because he was the recipient of one of the vaccines that contained active influenza virus. This has only happened a couple of times in US history, and decades of improvements in QA and manufacturing have made the chances of that happening negligible. But he got influenza really bad from the vaccine, hospitalized and almost died. Others who recieved the same active virus did due. Fortunately our mom still insisted all us kids get all of our shots and eventually got him over his (understandable) fear of vaccines.

My friend got the delta variant despite being vaccinated and still wearing a mask. And she gave it to her 6 year old too little to get the vaccine. More people being unvaccinated drastically increases the chance of breakthrough infections, which are happening. It doesn't matter if the unvaccinated are getting and dying from covid at a 12,000% + greater rate than the vaccinated, they are also still infecting people who are trying to do everything right, and children too little to get the vaccine.

Yup. 100% I didn't get the hate for pro-life people before I met "pro-life" people. He did make a lot of sense. Prior to the deep dive on Roe V. Wade I was solidly in the pro-abortion camp. Just a collection of cells, why not use it as birth control etc. After, while he didn't sway me to a pro-life stance, I understood that it is a much more complicated moral, biological, social, legal, philosophical and political issue than I had thought. The idea of when personhood started, the court cases where the murders of pregnant women were charged as double homocides vs. the dystopian ramifications of starting personhood at conception.

Definitely put me in the pro-choice camp instead of the pro-abortion camp as I realized for many parents, miscarriage is losing a child and there is a ton of grey area where making the decision legally for every case and person is a mess.

Where I went to high school there was a civics teacher who was religious and prolife. I remember when talking about Roe V. Wade he let some of his personal views come out while reading the decision and arguments. Him and his wife were foster parents, and adopted two children. He was pro-universal health care before it was ever talked about in the US. Thought it was a moral obligation Christians had along with feeding, clothing and housing the poor. He was anti-war, anti-nuclear proliferation, anti-death penalty and strongly anti-poverty.

When discussing the Supreme Court decision and the arguments the lawyers presented, he said that while he personally felt abortion was murder, it wasn't a classification that could be made legally. He had us go down slippery slope arguments of "could you abort a baby 2 weeks after it's born?" Or "Do you try to police the uterus and try to charge every woman who miscarriages with negligent homocide?" That was when I first learned how common miscarriages were. He did that to help explain why the court decided on the trimester model that they went with. He explained how women who were raped or were victims of incest would would often kill themselves instead of bring the baby to bear, and how virtually everyone in the US agreed that baring those women, or women whose lives were threatened biologically by pregnancy was seen universally in the US as the worse than abortion of two (and the reasons and polls behind it). He then explained how the 14th ammendment was interpreted that it wasn't O.K. to force the disclosure of the reasons behind abortion, so even if rape/incest/mother's life being in danger is a small percentage of total abortions, the government could not distinguish those abortions from the others.

He also showed us some statistics of women who died from and hospital wings filled with self-abortions or back-alley abortions.

He said his personal conclusion was making it illegal wouldn't change demand, only make it more dangerous and hurt more people. And that the best way to get rid of abortion was by making a world where having a child wasn't having a burden by making child care, health care and economic aid etc more readily available for everyone. While he didn't like contraceptives, he sill considered them the lesser of two evils when compared to abortion so figured they should be free and available to everyone.

Completely warped my view of what "pro-life" was. I assumed most pro-life people were like him. Working at their church food pantry on the weekends and all that bs. Nope. I have never met another pro-life person since then, only anti-choice people. I assume there are more pro-life people out there, maybe, but we only ever see or hear from the anti-choice people.

I was in a home of a man with down syndrome, installing his satellite a while back. He had people that came and checked in on him regularly, and needed help getting to and from, work but could do a lot of things by himself. He clearly knew right from wrong. Intellect of a child and yeah, he needed help with everything, but also cared enough about a tech working outside in 95 degree heat on a commercial building with shingles and in a hotter attic would probably need a couple of glasses of ice water. While his boxes were downloading software he even told me to sit down in his chair in front of his unit's window AC with a fan on me. I gave him every free upgrade I could. Other times I had been in wealthier people's homes and have been told specifically to not touch the furniture. I don't touch furniture in any home I go into (unless very specifically invited to do so), and wear covers over my shoes and a mask, but some people treat technicians like they are from some sort of low caste.