Haha, I feel like "just wow" isn't the specific type of "wow" they were hoping for. Or I donno, maybe they'll experience it differently.

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This is why true anarchists and libertarians convert their cash stash to unregulated, untraceable rare Pokémon cards. Prepare for trouble!

Indeed

Oh man, think about how well this would work with Canada's C-36.

"Oi, look at that racist post!"

"What? I didn't post... how did that get there?"

"Sorry there pal, had a secret trial about it already. Guess you're banned from the internet."

Trudeau: "I'm not your buddy, guy."

You've had 6 years to fix the problem and made it worse, get out of office

FTFY

Just, yikes...

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I don’t like that personal discussions between a doctor and their patient are being treated as though they should be debated on the town square.

Where did that happen?

It’s impossible to know the physiological intricacies of every single human being on earth, and for every rule of of thumb there will be exceptions.

I'm asking for the exceptions, scientifically backed ones. It is impossible to know the physiological intricacies of every single human. So, we collect lots of data in a transparent way and find out what is realistic and can be recommended based on science. If the doctors are not applying scientifically-backed practice anywhere in Canada they are no longer operating as General Practitioners and are out of line with their College regulations. Comparing rigorous, peer-reviewed recommendations based on science about contraindications to folksy "rules of thumb" is not a reasonable argument.

As soon as I first saw “except for people who can’t take the vaccine”

Except you did not see that because that quote is nowhere in this thread. You made that quote up entirely.

I had a feeling that, before long, nothing would be a good enough reason to qualify for an exemption.

As /u/RagingNerdaholic pointed out, there are good reasons to qualify if you are contraindicated for both anaphylactic reactions to ingredients in both mRNA vaccines AND have blood clots. So, like the quote above, you're imagining this nothing qualifying for an exemption thing?

TIL Harry Potter is actually a meditation on Social Darwinism. Weed out all the weak Firsties.

That sounded Furry, actually.

Don't they give you AZ if that's the case? Or is it different in every Provence?

Who is sweeping what under the rug?

This has a huge impact on me. People fighting good public policy that could lower the duration and severity of the pandemic has a massive impact my physical, mental, and economic health. Arguing with people about hypothetical situations as a reason to fight good public policy is even worse.

I'm sorry for your experience. And for whatever condition you have. Given the links I posted above and the comment from /u/RagingNerdaholic that it is almost impossible to be truly medically unable to have one of the vaccines, if you do not fall into one of those categories have you reported this refusal to administer the vaccine your local health region/authority and asked what your options are?

Cool story. Thanks for not addressing the factual impacts we are seeing due to rampant COVID on our HCWs, hospital capacity, economic activity, and VoC evolution.

But maybe the answer to our problems is just name calling?

They are not your pal, buddy.

Who pays your bills if the hospital systems collapse due to overflow and HCW burnout and you need hospitalization for COVID or something else but can't get timely treatment?

Who pays your bills if you/your loved-ones/enough of the general population increase healthcare costs and decrease economic activity due to post-COVID complications?

Who pays your bills if more broadly economic activity continues to fluctuate/starts to drop off again because more people decide to take proactive measures to protect their health during a prolonged global pandemic?

Who pays your bills if rampant transmission continues to create more variants that set us back as has happened, repeatedly, for the last 18 months?

I think these are questions we would all like answers to.

Michael Bublé shot it, maybe.

The only current medical contraindications for the vaccines in Canada and the US is allergy, and allergy can be managed clinically with prophylactic treatment or a different vaccine. I am getting my information from the best, public peer-reviewed science available. People who are immunocompromised, have autoimmune conditions, or are pregnant and breastfeeding are all not exempt medically because these conditions are not contradicted.

Given there are no medical contradictions currently listed in Canada or the US that would prevent someone from receiving the vaccine, one can logically assume that the nature of any hypothetical medical exemptions for the supposed people you refer to are vanishingly small, and very severe. Therefore, these hypothetical people are sufficiently fragile as to not be overly inconvenienced by restrictions on non-essential services anyway.

Now I've provided my sources, and my logic. You provide yours.

You've argued there are legitimate medical conditions contraindicated for vaccine that are also not so severe that people with them can be out in the world and harmed by the vaccine requirement. This on its face is illogical, hence the flat earth comparison.

I don't need to provide sources for your thus-far-imaginary medically-exempt patients, you do. Until you provide examples, it is reasonable to treat your argument as hypothetical and point out your faulty logic.

Internet person 1: "The world could be flat."

Internet person 2: "Logically that is impossible, look at how satellites work. The world must be round or satellites couldn't function."

Internet person 1: "I doubt either of us know enough about satellites to be sure of that."

No, per /u/mrhindustan it is about personal risk in this instance, due to the personal discrimination argument some folks are making about the mandate.

Hypothetically, if you're immunocompromised in such a manner that a COVID Vax is gonna mess you up, you aren't going into stores/bars/etc. anyway because there are so many common things that will roast you and your compromised immune system.

So claiming that mandatory vax for non-essential services is discriminatory against the immunocompromised-who-cant-vax-but-are-otherwise-normal is a non-argument. These people are a vanishing small number of citizens, if they exist at all. If they exist, their personal risk from the Vax is miniscule compared to their risk of dying because they were exposed to a strong breeze. Therefore, they are not likely complaining about the mandate. Or they don't exist.

This is the way./C'est le chemin.

WFH if possible and desired, employer must justify why an employee cannot WFH to the provincial labour standards authority or they must allow it.

Lower building occupancy, leave office spaces for those who can't work from home, AND reduce our carbon footprint. Can help address two crises with one policy.

if re-elected, we’ll introduce 10 days of paid sick leave

Provincial jurisdiction, and oh, they already failed to get it right on their first try. Also, only for federally regulated workers soooo...

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We’re going to train up to 50,000 new personal support workers and raisetheir wages, with a guaranteed minimum wage of at least $25 per hour

With what university? And in what care homes? I don't need a link to state both PSE and health care are provincial jurisdiction. They had 17 months of pandemic to do something about this and did nothing. What makes you think they will do anything now?

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we’re going to train 1,000 new community-based firefighters and help provide them the equipment they need to keep themselves and others safe.

How? Firefighting is provincial jurisdiction. Maybe focus on something federal like not building pipelines and subsidizing the fossil fuel industry that is causing the climate change increasing the likelihood these fires in the first place?

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Canada can’t go backward to the Harper days, when nothing was done to fight climate change and protect our environment.

HE LITERALLY BUILT A PIPELINE!

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Support for the hardest hit sectors

Not in either tourism or film sectors (most Canadians aren't so this promise isn't for them) so I don't know if the measures proposed will work or if the ones they already have have helped, however, in 2019, tourism activities accounted for about 2% of Canada’s GDP. GDP was $1,645.5B in 2019, so about $32B GDP. Tourism revenue for government was about $28B at the end of 2018, last year I can find stats. In that same link, taxes to consumers ($16.4B) and taxes to tourism businesses ($6.7B) make up $23B of government revenue (I assume the other $5B is direct revenue from National/Provincial parks?). $6B in support is literally just a tax rebate for a little less than was paid in business taxes in 2018. For a sector facing multi-year impacts of COVID-19 and climate change. Seems a tad skimpy, don'tcha think? Also, nothing for anyone in the industries that make up the other 98% of GDP?

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$10 a day child care for all Canadian families

Great idea! Why did they not follow through with it back in 2015? And how is this new or different than what they were promising in 2019? That childcare could have made a huge difference to the she-cession Trudeau is talking about. If only they had been serious about helping mothers and keeping their promises before the pandemic started, eh?

An elegant ride, for a more civilized age.