• Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I find that title to be wholly innaccurate.

    There were also women on the force, so it was 376 boys and girls in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die.

    Well, 375. There was that one asshole who shouted “Do you need our help?” to which a hiding child responded “Yes we need help!” and was subsequently shot by the gunman

    That person actively caused a child to die.

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      3 months ago

      Don’t forget the one cop that wanted to help but was held back and prevented from entering (I think his wife was a teacher or something)

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        3 months ago

        Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school

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          The only reason they even started evacuating was because one of them opened a classroom and saw it was full

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      3 months ago

      Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There should be no more question that it’s a cult.

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        Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there

        Sadly, the kids weren’t allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.

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    What’s the point of all that military gear they’re wasting tax payer money on then? Fascist cosplay?

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    Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.

    Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.

    The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.

    I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.

    All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don’t work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.

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      As much as ACAB, I can admit that sometimes an armed response is necessary. It sounds like you danes have a well trained force, rather than some 6 week academy psychos with a hard-on for violence.

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        Cops aren’t really bastards in Denmark. Oh sure, you’ll find anti establishment types everywhere; there certainly is no love for the police in Christiania. However, the overall opinion of Danish citizens towards the police is positive. In Denmark people genuinely feel safer seeing a policeman on the street.

        Police in Copenhagen are also friendly; unless they’re in the middle of something, you can, as a citizen or a tourist, walk up to one and ask them questions.

        Police do carry pistols in Denmark, but someone just starting their career in law enforcement isn’t immediately given a gun until they’ve had a good job record and proper training for a few years. The amount of paperwork a cop has to go through for even suggesting they’ll pull their gun is staggering.

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        It isn’t any more complicated than that ACAB is an obvious US-centric exaggeration and that there are police forces out there that doesn’t suffer from the same systemic problems that according* to American media is pandemic in their country.

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            I stand corrected on that part then, it was wrong assumption based on the fact it seems like 99,9% of all negative news in regards to police I see is from USA. I’ll strike it out.

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              Well tbf our cops do kinda suck a lot and we have some glaring systemic issues with our policing system lol, it’s not like the assumption is unreasonable!

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                It’s maybe not unreasonable, but as someone living in Norway with only neutral/positive experience with police, it certainly rubs me the wrong way when people speak of it as if it is an universal truth. Especially as American online culture inevitably affects Norwegian kids’ view of society, which is very different from the American society.

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      It’s exactly because our police are a cult that we need armed citizens.

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    From all my internet lurking I discovered that America is a country almost beyond redemption, or at least some states.

    I always wonder if it is really that bad or am I just hearing the usual ‘my country bad’ talk like anyone does but the news point to the first one basically every time. I can only assume it is mostly true and sympathise.

    As someone who lives in middle eu capital city and has proverbial 4 houses it is all quite mind blowing. I feel like I live in completely different reality and I am grateful for it every day.

    It’s however very painful to hear all you just plain suffering. Maybe that’s why my mind goes ‘it’s probably exaggerated’ it can’t be that bad can it be?

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      It’s a strange contrast living in the US sometimes. My personal life is pleasant and I work to keep it that way. I like where I work and I see multiple good doctors on a regular basis. But I’ve had plenty of my own troubles over the past 5 years too.

      …but I also have eyes. I see the same crazy shit you do, and furthermore I have enough personal acquaintances to know that the crazies we both read about are fully serious and indoctrinated.

      So, I wouldn’t say that the suffering is exaggerated, just that it isn’t ubiquitous. It’s a big place. Millions are doing OK while millions of others are getting beat down by life.

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      Yeah none of those guns were actually “in the school” because thin blue line means cops cowards above anyone else. They won’t risk their lives for you.

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    Too bad the shooter wasn’t black. The cops weren’t trained for this.

    This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter’s. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.

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    Good thing cops are not legally required to help you in the US, even if you’re about to be killed by a criminal.

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        It was super apparent with j6. After months of watching protesters get beaten, teargassed, and arrested en masse (among other things) it was absolutely mind blowing to watch the police do the (almost) bare minimum to stop y’all-qeada even when they killed a cop. You would think they were trying to break up a bar fight and not an armed mob.

        I expected them to at least treat this violent mob (chanting death threats to the *vice president) attacking the capitol the same as they had every single BLM protest the previous summer, and realistically take that event as more of an attack on our nation and respond in kind.

        All summer we saw police around the country absolutely fuck people up, mass arrests, immediate crowd control, but on j6 all of the sudden they weren’t an all powerful, super coordinated crowd stopping machine.

        It was infuriating

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    Cop’s first priority is themselves. If it’s convenient, they might help others.

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    I scoff every time a cop on a TV show is like “I joined the force to save lives and make a difference” because it’s painfully obvious that this is pretty much never the case in reality.

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      They joined the force because it has the best job security next to CEOs in the US.

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    Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?

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      How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?

      Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.

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    I recall a conservative news segment where the “jounalist” and “expert” had discussed that the kids should have rushed the shooter and overwhelmed him. Doesn’t matter they were 6-7 they should have stepped up and stopped it all.

    Meanwhile, the actual people gained to do that wouldn’t, despite overwhelming numbers

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    Cops refuse to show up on my methhead neighbors - they have weapons. But when my (then) husband wanted to evict my little unarmed 5’3” butt from the house I’d lived in for the past seven years, after physically beating me to the point I wasn’t really cogent, they sent a whole riot squad to pick me up.

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    Final proof that more guns in our schools will not keep our kids safe.

    What does the issue of the inaction of law enforcement have to do with the idea of “guns in our schools” (presumably this is inferring armed security or arming other school staff)? I am of the opinion that a lot of these issues could be solved adding armed security to schools. There are quite a number of sensitive locations like that which would benefit from that sort of security, imo.

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        Regarding that, I found this:

        The school district also has its own police force with four officers and partners with local law enforcement, according to the document. Secondary campuses have staff who patrol door entrances, parking lots and perimeters of campuses. [source]

        If that’s what you are referring to, it isn’t exactly what I meant. I was more referring to a dedicated static armed security force that watches entrances to the school.

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      Have you met a security guard? you do not want a guy who failed the extremely low bar to be a cop, and who likely can’t handle the tiny bit of authority granted to them to be around kids.