Yes I am aware that they’re somehow supposed to reduce plastic waste because the cap can’t get lost … unless you cut it off, of course.
Yes I am also aware that there are people with disabilities (shaky hands, weak grip, etc.) who are thankful for these and actually like the design. Good for them, and I mean that in a non-sarcastic way.
But personally, I hate these things with all the “first world problems” rage I can muster and go out of my way to rip / cut / twist them off on every single bottle I buy. I don’t like having the bottle cap directly in my face while drinking, or slipping in the way of the flow whenever I just want to pour milk, and on more than one occasion, I’ve actually cut my finger OR lip on these little sh*ts (not the same type as in the picture, but baldy-made longer “bands” that leave little plastic spikes on the cap and/or band).
No idea whether I should post this in the “unpopular opinion” section instead or if other people think the same, but to me, “mildly infuriating” describes them perfectly.
Just repeating my comment from the same topic a while back.
So okay the bottle ones like this are fine
It is these fuckers I have an issue with
I swear if I ever see the person who designed the new milk cap I will make them choke on a fucking tetrapak.
How come? Does it close while you’re pouring?
It makes you spill the milk everywhere when opening because you don’t twist it but pull it upwards.
Oh.
Yeah that’s fucking stupid
Normally/averagely abled people - how is any configuration of the cap an issue?
To even think about it takes more energy than any obvious solution (like holding the bonded cap whilst drinking or not ripping it off the seal ring in the non-bonded versions).
Is it just because we are old and any change is annoying af?
I pick up street litter, and having picked up thousands of pounds, I have never felt that loose caps are a problem, let alone one that requires such a solution. The number of littered bottles, with or without a cap, is greater than the number of loose caps, and the amount of plastic in every bottle dwarfs the plastic in a cap. Fixing the cap to the bottle will do nothing to improve the recycling rate of plastic if entire bottles are already tossed anyway.
I consider the idea of cap tethers as adversarial memetic warfare thrust upon us for some unknown ulterior purpose, possibly to make us hate the very idea of environmental consciousness. Same as paper straws. I like plastic bag bans though.
As far as picking litter is concerned, I personally prefer finding bottles without a cap. At least those are empty, all liquid having evaporated after the bottle has spent several months in the bushes. The capped bottles are often half-full and are just nasty. (Who even pays for a bottle of drink and not drinks half of it anyway?)
The number of littered bottles, with or without a cap, is greater than the number of loose caps,
That smells like survivorship bias. Your dataset is skewed by loose caps being way harder to find due to being smaller. It stands to reason that all those bottles without a cap you find will have also had their cap littered in the vast majority of cases.
Yeah, I concede that small caps are more likely to be carried away by rainwater than whole bottles :D. What I meant was that for every loose cap on the ground there is a bottle lying around somewhere, and also there are bottles with caps on. No one is tossing their cap into the bushes and then taking the bottle to the recycling center.
Am I the only person who’s literally never seen such a thing exist in the wild
Come to Germany for a visit.
Or Italy
I honestly like them. Those that “stay open”, of course… They just stay out of the way, never get lost, and works pretty nice.
At first I disliked them, but quickly found out they are actually… Very practical. Even not considering the “green” twist, why didn’t we adopted them before?
As an idiot who couldn’t remember where the fuck I put down the cap 5sec ago I really like them
This is some very short sighted thinking.
Caps attached to the bottles is very important to the recycling industry, so they can be more cheaply and efficiently shipped to China and thrown into the sea.
I don’t understand why caps coming with bottles helps recycle them?
Source on that? As far as I know China stopped importing plastic waste as they realized it was too expensive for the state as they are burdened with the externalities, i.e. cleanup.
I think a few years ago it was China. Now it will be anybody else who wants Western money and doesn’t mind burning plastic. Malaysia and Turkey seem popular for the UK. Not sure where the US sends it. It sure as shit isn’t recycled in any way that people would think of as recycling.
I’ve no idea why we make plastic bottled drinks when aluminium cans exist.
Aluminum cans also have plastic in them
Not nearly as much though.
Also steel cans exist as well.
I don’t mind them on soda, but during yoghurt is a mess. I have a beard and after drinking one of those I 8/10 times have a milky beard
milky beard
Good username
Naww look at the little lid trying to flip that bottle over, so cute.
They should make it so the cap doesn’t come off at all, so you have to buy a glass bottle with a metal cap that are both recyclable and won’t give you erectile disfunction.
If the cap doesn’t come off, we can stop worrying about spillage
I’ve scene water been titles that were made of the same materials as a soda can. The lid was even threaded so you could reseal it.
what i think when people struggle with the cap hitting their face
Yes, this is exactly it.
Is we just invented bottle caps for the fist time ever these exact same peeps would complain about it.
Pretty much. Whenever I see these type of posts I can only think of some cavemen failing to figure out the most simple contraption. Those caps are literally not a problem at all, assuming you’re not a complete moron.
ooooh. It’s IN the computer.
Its often the little things like this that make it clear for me who is indeed a moron.
Like oh, omg, that explains so much about that person.
That poor thing.Now, I def need to not equate that with ‘capabilities’ of someone, even morons can brute-force achieve things I could never. They do it despite the handicap and I respect that.
Dont want to discuss problems or brainstorm when them but respect nonetheless (them and their work).
Most of us are in fact not what it’s commonly considered neurotypical (I beehive they are a smol but just the most vocal group). And just like with folk on introverts/depressed/ADHD/autism/etc spectrum it’s best to recognise, acknowledge, respect, and adapt to that (ie work and communicate a bit differently with each one of us, it doesn’t take all that much, and the learning curve is just so unbelievably good at the start).
I think the people complaining about this stuff fall into several categories. One of them is depicted well by that GIF. A second group is just upset about environmental regulations existing. There’s probably a third group out there with some kind of hypersensitivity for things touching their face. And maybe a fourth group who hates it when things change even if there are good reasons for it (can relate, was diagnosed as autistic).
I feel bad for the people with hypersensitivities but the rest should just suck it up already. Maybe some bamboo or metal straws can help these folks get used to the new bottles? They’re available online for cheap.
It doesn’t have to touch your face.
Then you should tell that to the several brands that leave their caps sticking forward partially no matter how much you bend them backwards. I don’t care, but there are plenty of brands with much shittier bottle designs than the ones that stay out of your face like they should be designed to.
bamboo or metal straws
Silicone. Silicone is the perfect straw material. Bamboo I guess works for disposable ones but I’ve never used one. Definitely too short for 1.5l bottles though.
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This is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. What even is the point? This is just so dumb. Maybe you could break off the cap?
If you are worried about environmental impact ts they could just make them out of aluminum. We already have aluminum cans. Adding more plastic to the bottle will just create more waste.
The bottle cap folds out of the way. If you have it “in your face”, it sounds like a skill issue
Yeah, only some bottles do that
What a total noob
Except they don’t fold but spring back to a position where the tension is low enough. Sadly that’s in my cheek.
Skill issue.
Certainly.
Fuck plastic bottles in general, back to glass.
Yep, I can taste the fucking plastic. Back to glass!
This generalization is a problem. Assessing the whole life cycle, the carbon footprint of glass bottles is problematic and plastics is a viable alternative.
You have to consider the significantly higher weight of glass increasing carbon emissions from transportation.
While plastics bottles can only be reused about half as often as glass bottles, their production is far more energy-efficient (glass production is done at temps of 1400-1600 °C or 2500-3000 °F while plastics use temperatures from 160-300 °C or 320-600 °F) which also reduces carbon footprint in basically every country.
Of course recycling has to be taken seriously and properly organized to prevent plastics just ending up in nature. But we have to balance the micro-plastics problem against climate change. We need to solve both.
You have to consider the significantly higher weight of glass increasing carbon emissions from transportation.
If the transportation was electrical renewable sourced this wouldn’t be a factor.
their production is far more energy-efficient (glass production is done at temps of 1400-1600 °C or 2500-3000 °F while plastics use temperatures from 160-300 °C or 320-600 °F)
If manufacturing was electrical renewable sourced this wouldn’t be a factor.
I don’t want micro plastics in my nutsack. I don’t care that it’ll be a long time before we get there. We should start getting there now. I don’t want to hear perfectionist fallacy arguments about why I should be happy to have plastics swimming around with my sperm.
I don’t want to hear perfectionist fallacy arguments
You mean like the ones you gave if there was a 100% renewable power grid and transportation was 100% electrical glass would be carbon neutral?
Well, both aren’t and we are a long way from either, so that argument stands. You may care about your nutsack, as do I about my own, but climate change is the more critical problem.
It used to be done a lot more before and some places still do it in Europe. You return the glass bottle intact, they reuse it as is. Only carbon spent is in transporting it.
Well, you also have to clean them which I assume also uses energy. And they need to be fulfilling “food-grade” cleaning requirements since you want to drink out of them, so that’s probably more energy needed than a simple wash in soap.
This is done regardless of the source of the glass. IE fresh or reused glass gets the same cleaning treatment.
It’s done less and less because recycling plastic bottles is better.
Yes (I actually live in Europe), but it cannot be reused indefinitely and needs to be recycled after about 50 uses (that’s why I mentioned the whole life cycle of a bottle). Also, glass breaks.
There’s a good reason why many carbonated drinks stopped being sold in glass bottles. When you go over a certain volume, they become bombs. There are videos online or 2L soda bottles falling over and sending shards of glass flying everywhere. I’d rather not have that back.
Glass bottles are also great at starting fires when they’re left outside by trashy people. Looking at how often I still find plastic trash in the woods, I’m not sure if switching to glass would make that much of an improvement.
Plus, you’d still have the same problem with the bottle cap.
Have you ever heard about the Exota affair in the Netherlands? In 1969, journalists uncovered the glass bottles of Exota soda were explosion hazards and their scathing TV episode about it drove the company to bankruptcy. It became a whole ordeal after the journalists and broadcaster were sued.
I think what I saw was the full version of this segment: https://youtu.be/Z9PM14qKhe4 Although, I think it may have been about the 1.5L/2L bottle as well, and this video is about the dangerous bottles that remained after a bunch of them got off the market.
The shots in the video you linked seem rather fake (and kind of artsy, I love old Dutch television sometimes), the video I recall had bottles treated rather normally.
Glass bottles are much much worse for the environment.
If everyone had either stopped buying bottled beverages or cleaned up after themselves, this wouldn’t be an issue.
Also, y’all sound a little whiny. This isn’t even a first world problem.
I haven’t bought a plastic bottle beverage in forever*. I just get metal cans or glass bottles. Or nothing.
*I bought a lot of PET bottled beverages in Japan but I was just visiting.
stopped buying bottled beverages
What’s the alternative in your opinion? I don’t think barrels and glasses are viable in every case. Serious question.
You could get a reusable water bottle
Dihydrogen monoxide
You’re coming up with a sarcastic exaggeration (barrels and glasses), followed by “serious question”. So which is it now?
Anyway. How about refillable cups, travel mugs, returnable bottles? Stop buying bottled water if your tap water is fine. Get a soda maker if you like sparkling water or Spritzer. Clean up after yourselves, return or throw away bottles with the lid on.
And first and foremost: stop buying packaged and bottled sh*t at every possible occasion. Things like single-use / to-go cups or bottles shouldn’t even exist.
We all created the landfills and ocean garbage patches and now we complain about our own stupidity, unable to drink from a bottle with a lid attached to it like we’re toddlers.
If you seriously ask me for an alternative: stop creating waste. Stop complaining about your waste. And stop complaining about regulations that try to limit waste that shouldn’t even be there. Big part of the problem stems from our own laziness and consumerism. Everyone is part of the problem, nobody wants to be a part of the solution. What did you even expect?
I hardly want to reply for your aggressiveness. I don’t see how that’s been called for.
But yes, I was being serious because you explicitly excluded all bottles by “bottled beverages”. So I thought, water can be replaced by tap water (I do that personally because I don’t want carry crates that are unnecessary) but what about beer, for example? I could order kegs (no sarcasm, they start at 5 liters) but can hardly take them with me.
So, by “bottled beverages” you don’t count “returnable bottles”. Apart from that differentiation not being obvious, it didn’t occur to me because in my country almost all sold bottles are returnable, even single-use ones.
Hope that clarifies my question. Maybe next time don’t immediately jump to conclusions and make assumptions about other people’s lifestyle.
Sorry, it’s aggravating to see people complain about bottle lids and not seeing what the bigger problem behind is.
We created this mess and now the least bad thing in this literal pile of garbage gets labelled ‘mildly infuriating’.
Your solution to people wanting to buy some specific drinks is “don’t buy the thing you want, buy something else”. Hardly an answer.
Why is it “hardly an answer”?
Getting everything you want at any time is part of the reason why the planet’s dying. Consumerism is not sustainable. Just one example: one wants a coffee and isn’t at home. Solution today: get a single-use plasticcy paper cup of coffee with an optional packaged portion of sweetener and / or cream, a plastic stirring thingy, and a plastic lid. All that goes to waste because people were led to believe that a “paper” cup is good for the environment. It isn’t.
Perhaps becuase you’ve only opened it half way, you need to lift it back over again and clip in under the rim.
this is not doable with all caps and even with those designed to do this it doesn’t work sometimes :(
Maybe they make them better here in Denmark. Plus we have “Pant” where you pay more for the bottles but get money back when you return them so it’s a “belt and braces” approach I guess!
Your pant is actually a deposit.
And we have it in Germany as well called “Pfand”.Last time I bought something in such a bottle it was atrocious and stabbed me.
True, true it is just a deposit, but it certainly helps. Compared to England where I lived until I was 38 there are far fewer bottles littering the streets here in Denmark, although a lot of that can be put down to general public attitude probably. Never had a bottle stab me! Sounds like a case of bad quality control.
Without the belt and braces, your pants fall down?
Normally one or the other is enough. Wearing both is 'more than needed" but does work as a safety net. :)
Oh wait… PANT & pants… So was being a bit slow! 😂
