• Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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    3 months ago

    What is amazing is that there are some that are ever ready to quote numbers given by Hamas, when they can’t even track 40 hostages.

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      3 months ago

      CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.

      So…

      Even the source of the article you posted is wrong?

      Did you even read the article or just the headline?

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        3 months ago

        The look of a poker player that ran out of chips…

        They’ve found bodies of hostages all the time. One just yesterday. I suppose you could do some math to estimate probability of who is living. Only Hamas would know,except they claim not to.

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          3 months ago

          The look of a poker player that ran out of chips…

          Hamas made a statement like 1-2 months ago that said roughly said “If israel knew where the hostages were they would kill them all”

          You are endorsing israel doing exactly that.

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            3 months ago

            Ahh, yes, they aren’t even hostages. hamas took them so they would be protected from Israel.

            So would the argument then be if Hamas kidnaps all Israelis, Israelis would be better protected?

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              3 months ago

              The argument is that israel is intentionally killing kidnapped israelis to remove leverage Hamas has over israel. And that he was endorsing israel doing that.

              Hamas kidnapping all israelis would mean the IDF (somehow not being kidnapped) would try to kill all israels. Not sure how that makes them safer.

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    3 months ago

    Article is way better than the headline…

    The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons.

    Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said.

    CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.

    Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

    Most hostages are combatants, and that doesn’t meet the details for this requirement

    The majority of the almost 100 hostages who remain alive are believed to be male IDF soldiers or men of military reserve age.

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      3 months ago

      Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

      Totally untrue

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          3 months ago

          You only addressed half the statement. They are not saying that Israel doesn’t take civilian hostages. They are questioning the claim that Hamas doesn’t take civilian hostages. Follow the thread please.

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            3 months ago

            Is there any evidence that Hamas has taken new hostages since October 7th? Because AFAIK there isn’t.

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              3 months ago

              A temporal attribute has not been included in this statement:

              Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

              But you have added a temporal qualifier:

              taken new hostages since October 7th

              I think maybe that’s where the disconnect is? I don’t know. I don’t know who or what you’re arguing against.

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                3 months ago

                No you are changing the statement yourself. The statement is

                Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

                Israel is widely kidnapping mostly innocent civilians whereas Hamas very much targeted military for kidnapping.

                This is as obvious as the lower than 2/3 civilian casualty rate for Hamas whereas israel has a far higher civilian casualty rate.

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                  3 months ago

                  Sources? Do I even want your sources at this point…last time I asked for evidence you gave me a verbal statement by the prime minister and that was good enough in your book. You really don’t need much convincing when the evidence aligns with your bias, do you?