What is amazing is that there are some that are ever ready to quote numbers given by Hamas, when they can’t even track 40 hostages.
CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.
So…
Even the source of the article you posted is wrong?
Did you even read the article or just the headline?
The look of a poker player that ran out of chips…
They’ve found bodies of hostages all the time. One just yesterday. I suppose you could do some math to estimate probability of who is living. Only Hamas would know,except they claim not to.
The look of a poker player that ran out of chips…
Hamas made a statement like 1-2 months ago that said roughly said “If israel knew where the hostages were they would kill them all”
You are endorsing israel doing exactly that.
Ahh, yes, they aren’t even hostages. hamas took them so they would be protected from Israel.
So would the argument then be if Hamas kidnaps all Israelis, Israelis would be better protected?
The argument is that israel is intentionally killing kidnapped israelis to remove leverage Hamas has over israel. And that he was endorsing israel doing that.
Hamas kidnapping all israelis would mean the IDF (somehow not being kidnapped) would try to kill all israels. Not sure how that makes them safer.
There are supposed to be 136 hostages in Gaza.
At one point both Israel and Hamas seemed to agree that there were approximately
200250 hostages.https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-do-we-now-about-hamas-hostages-2023-10-19/
HOW MANY HOSTAGES ARE THERE?
An estimated 200 people, including 30 teenagers and young children and 20 people over the age of 60, are being held hostage in Gaza, Israel’s public broadcaster Kan said on Thursday, citing military sources.
Hamas says it has 200 hostages and that 50 more are held by other armed groups in the enclave. It said more than 20 hostages have been killed by Israeli air strikes, but has not given any further details.
Edit:
Wikipedia cites a slightly higher numberhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange
In November 2023, Palestinian militants held around 250 people from Israel, including Israeli nationals and non-Israelis following their capture during the Hamas-led attack on Israel.
Edit 2: my mistake, they corroborate their numbers (250)
Article is way better than the headline…
The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons.
Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said.
CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.
Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.
Most hostages are combatants, and that doesn’t meet the details for this requirement
The majority of the almost 100 hostages who remain alive are believed to be male IDF soldiers or men of military reserve age.
Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.
Totally untrue
You only addressed half the statement. They are not saying that Israel doesn’t take civilian hostages. They are questioning the claim that Hamas doesn’t take civilian hostages. Follow the thread please.
Is there any evidence that Hamas has taken new hostages since October 7th? Because AFAIK there isn’t.
A temporal attribute has not been included in this statement:
Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.
But you have added a temporal qualifier:
taken new hostages since October 7th
I think maybe that’s where the disconnect is? I don’t know. I don’t know who or what you’re arguing against.
No you are changing the statement yourself. The statement is
Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.
Israel is widely kidnapping mostly innocent civilians whereas Hamas very much targeted military for kidnapping.
This is as obvious as the lower than 2/3 civilian casualty rate for Hamas whereas israel has a far higher civilian casualty rate.
Sources? Do I even want your sources at this point…last time I asked for evidence you gave me a verbal statement by the prime minister and that was good enough in your book. You really don’t need much convincing when the evidence aligns with your bias, do you?
