• MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    the left are the real antisemites?

    Wow, tell me you’re a fucking pathetic “enlightened centrist” without telling me you’re a pathetic enlightened centrist. Seriously. If you think the left are closer to Nazis than the political party who literally runs Nazis on their ticket… You are beyond fucked. Fucking brainwashed and fucking stupid.

    Next you’ll be telling me, “nuhuh, the Nazis were socialists!” No, the Nazis CALLED themselves socialist, but something tells me you’re too stupid to understand the basic fact that Nazis lie.

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      A nazi is an antisemite, but an antisemite is not necessarily a Nazi. Downpunxx never used the word “Nazi”, and the two are not the same. Plenty of non-nazis over the years have persecuted or tried to kill us. Hitler didn’t invent the idea.

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        11 months ago

        They are an easy example to demonstrate how stupid OP is. He is using language that is LITERALLY defending Nazis. He is saying the political party that actively, literally runs Nazis on their ticket, is LESS antisemitic than leftists… A group that doesn’t even have a political party in the US.

        Am I being a little hyperbolic when I call some Republicans Nazis? Yes, but if you think progressives are more antisemitic than people who literally own Nazi memorabilia, something is fundamentally wrong with your brain.

        Nazis are the quintessential antisemite, so if you cannot agree that they are the bigger antisemite… that’s a STRONG indication of pure dumbassery.

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          11 months ago

          You are so wound up in a rote shutting down of OP that you aren’t listening.

          • Nazi = antisemite
          • antisemite ≠ nazi

          One can be antisemitic and not be a nazi. The pogroms that harried my ancestors were not practiced by nazis. The expulsions of Jews from various countries over the centuries were not practiced by nazis. The “no blacks, no dogs, no Jews” signs my grandfather saw were not put up by nazis.

          Antisemitism is a thing we’ve been living with for a long, long time. I would appreciate it if you didn’t condescend to tell us how you know better about who does or can hate us.

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            11 months ago

            You are right but also wrong at the same time. People might be able to be antisemitic without being Nazis, but if they are in this way afraid or in rejection of ‘the other’ they’ve certainly at least been taught this kind of thinking by a fascist that tries to exploit both them and ‘the other’ for their own gain. In this way the Israeli right wing Government as well as IDF and police are thoroughly fascist just as much and in exactly the same way as Hamas are. “no blacks, no dogs, no Jews” can not be put up by a person that hasn’t been taught to reject others in this way, this rejection is the fascist lie they have internalized, and it is the reason why we call them a fascist.

            The splintering of this concept of rejection into, antisemitism racism homophobia Islamophobia patriarchy … isn’t useful when trying to reject the ideas of their suppression, it only muddies the waters. They are the same struggle against unjustified oppression, in parts of which we may be a benefactor, and in other parts we may be oppressed, this shouldn’t make their existence any more justifiable.