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      • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        3 months ago

        Discord, slack, bitwarden, steam, Microsoft teams, visual studio code, balena etcher . Anyone else know of any electron apps or heavily modified version of chrome?😄

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      What pisses me off is how many websites don’t work right with Firefox now. There’s been several times where I’ve had issues with a site functioning on Firefox and had to switch to a chromium browser.

      • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I read that most sites work just fine if you spoof your user agent to windows and standard chrome

        • ayaya@lemdro.idEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          This breaks any site that uses CloudFlare’s Turnstile for me. It will loop forever and never let me through if my user agent is set to Chrome.

          • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            The point was that some sites neglect to develop for Firefox, and simply tell Firefox users to get chrome instead. Meanwhile Firefox works in most cases perfectly fine without any doing on the website’s part if it is simply duped into believing that the firefox user is just a plain old chrome user as expected. Doesn’t work for everything, but almost.

  • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
    71·
    3 months ago

    Adblockers are the largest consumer boycott in history.

    Google isn’t just disabling an extension, they’re attacking a boycott comprised of 200,000,000+ people, all around the globe, standing up to forced manipulation of our beliefs and habits by profit-hungry corporations.

    • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      You’re correct, and now people will boycott Chrome. Firefox and Brave are good / accessible / easy to get for most people so…

    • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      3 months ago

      If Google presented me with ads for things I might be interested in and in a non-invasive way, wouldn’t mind looking at them at all.

      Instead I get ads for the seemingly random shit I have absolutely zero interest in buying. How they are consistently wrong about my spending habits is unbelievable. I have two fucking hobbies! I don’t see ads for anything relating to them. Ever.

    • Shatpoz1288@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      3 months ago

      The more people use Firefox, the more web devs will be forced to ensure their website works on Firefox.

    • Enekk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      I’m showing my age, but back when IE was basically the only browser and Firefox (Firebird back then) launched, people often lamented that things didn’t work in Firefox. The solution? People used Firefox and web developers were forced to make their shit work in Firefox. When Chrome came out, suddenly we had three real options and the way to make everything work? Open Standards.

      Now, Chrome is in the position IE was back before Firefox came around. How ever will we make sure things work in Firefox??? Use Firefox. If enough people dump Google’s malware browser, the web has to go back to supporting multiple browsers through open standards.

      • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        3 months ago

        Thing is Google’s influence on Firefox is making it a worse company and browser as AI and privacy invading features take over.

    • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Have you reported issues for them? It’s in the menu somewhere. If Mozilla get a lot of reports for particular sites, they reach out to the webmaster and try to work with them to improve Firefox support - usually by removing proprietary Chrome-only features or by removing reliance on Chrome bugs that don’t exist in Firefox.

      You can also report the issue at https://webcompat.com/, just search to see if it’s already been reported first.

  • Angel Mountain@feddit.nlEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Let this be my warning to Google that I will never go back to their browser when they do. Challas! ✌️

      • nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I already know a few people who were just marginally digitally literate, and now they can’t read things like news articles and access several kinds of services anymore, unless someone helps them, because they don’t property know how to close invasive popups and solve captchas.

        The internet is literally becoming unusable for some people.

        • RufusFirefly@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 months ago

          I’m in my mid 60s and know a few people that never even heard the term “browser extension” before. How they tolerate using the web with no ad blocking is beyond me.

    • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Got my boomer mom to finally install an ad blocker. She was tired of looking at a webpage, having an ad give some kind of script run error, and then it reloads back at the top. It’s a big problem on the cooking websites she goes to.

      I would rather go back to the days of shitty pop-ups you can just close. These ads are far worse, and none of them even make sense.

  • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I honestly can’t wait to see how this plays out. Only Chrome, chromium and edge in their pure forms have dedicated to doing this. Most of the Chrome forks have said they’re going to fork and keep it running. It’s certainly going to give Firefox a shot in the arm, but there’s no lack of other competition either.

    • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I don’t know how long the forks will be able to backport new features to their forked codebase.

      I think the only sensible solution is to just switch to Firefox.

      • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Eventually Firefox will switch to V3 anyway so it’s kind of just delaying the inevitable.

        It sucks that this is the future of the Internet.

        • mint_tamas@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Manifest v3 is already supported in Firefox (they must support it to keep the extension ecosystem alive), but they implemented it without the user-hostile restrictions.

          • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Oh, I wasn’t aware of that, I thought the user-hostile restrictions were inherent to Manifest v3 and they were unavoidable.

            Okay, maybe just maybe Firefox squeaks by unharmed then.

            edit: I literally just had someone else tell me just now that “It’s not something that can be worked around. It’s specifically a design feature of manifest v3 to restrict these types of things.”

            So which is it? I’m kind of getting mixed signals here.

            edit 2: Oh, it sounds like Google has additional arbitrary restrictions on content blocking functionality, beyond what Manifest V3 itself has.

  • irish_link@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    3 months ago

    Glad I have firefox as well but also looking forward to a cool new project called Ladybird. https://ladybird.org

    Not sure if its the right one but glad there are more projects out there trying to jump into the game. (I know extensions are a long way off for it but i see it as hope.)

    Also please consider running pihole or adguard home. Or any other full home DNS add blocker. It will help.

    • Ace T'Ken@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Looks like what I’d want to use, but to reach broad support it needs a Windows client as well.

    • Jarmer@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Ladybird looks great! Very much looking forward to an alpha linux release so I can use it and give all kind of feedback.

      • Chozo@fedia.io
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        3 months ago

        Yeah, it’s strange just how readily the blinders go up wherever Mozilla is concerned. They’re a corp, just like any other; if they had the money and leverage, they’d be just as aggressive as Google. Have people already forgotten that time they laid off 200+ employees and then gave all the execs bonuses?

        E: Apparently y’all have forgotten. In 2021, Mozilla laid off a few hundred employees. CEO’s salary doubled that year. Fuck Mozilla, they’re no more your friends than Google or Microsoft; they’re the same evil, just smaller-scaled evil, is all.

        • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Chromium (Google Chrome’s base) is also open source.

          And yet, we’re still at a corporation’s mercy as to whether everything Chromium-based gets ruined by Google’s fuck-what-the-users-want policies. Like with Manifest V3. And JXL support. And extensions on mobile.

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          3 months ago

          This is the first I’ve heard of LibreWolf. Is it compatible with Windows 7? And also, why is it good?

          • jrgd@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            https://librewolf.net/

            A summary from its site and known technical details:

            • no telemetry by default
            • includes uBlock Origin
            • has sane privacy-respecting defaults
            • prepackages arkenfox user.js
            • relatively well-maintained fork of Firefox that keeps up with upstream
            • No major controversies AFAIK

            As for Windows 7, nobody should really need to install Librewolf anyway on such a device. No device running Windows 7 should have access to the internet at this point. If you are asking about compatibility intending this use case, you have bigger problems to worry about than your choice of browser. If you just need to view HTML files graphically, even Internet Explorer or an older firefox ESR will do.

          • ivn@jlai.luEnglish
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            3 months ago

            You really shouldn’t connect windows 7 to the internet.

            • AWildMimicAppears@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Main features: … Continued support for NPAPI plugins like Silverlight, Adobe Flash and Java

              Picture this in your minds eye: a Windows 7 machine running a browser with still working Flash and Java plugins, connected to the internet in 2024.

              what do you see?

              i see a flourishing ecosystem of worms, viruses and rootkits, all trying to be the one species to get to be the one who does the most damage to the prey species, the common user.

              • can@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Sounds like an interesting experience to me. Admittedly I hadn’t looked that far into it. If Win 7 is a must I’d say just go with latest Firefox.

      • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yeah I’m using Fennec, which doesn’t have that. But as long as it’s a flick of a switch to disable, I don’t really mind. Still a million times better than manifest v3.

      • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        You’re overreacting. Firefox knows their users. I am a huge “stan” for Firefox, but I will delete it like a time traveller if they make it impossible to ignore ads. I will salt the earth and poop on Firefox’s grave and actively avoid it everywhere… However. If I’m wrong, there will be a Next Thing…

      • TerkErJerbs@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        If you use a DNS solutions you can block all the telemetry shit. Frankly FF has been phoning home in a lot of undesirable ways for many years even before this, like most browsers.

  • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    3 months ago

    What I’m scared is publishers taking this as a reason to simply start banning Firefox and other browsers.

    • WhatYouNeed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      An ecom site decides to block 5% of web traffic and potential sales?

      Now tell the marketing team you are turning away 1 in 20 potential customers because (well, not really sure why) and see what they have to say.

    • Jarmer@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      There’s already plenty of business web apps that require chrome. I specifically use a business focused web app that not only requires Chrome, but ONLY CHROME ITSELF and no chromium derivatives. That’s the first time I’ve come across that. I had previously seen chrome requirements, but they worked just fine on ungoogled chromium. Not this one, nope. Regular Google Chrome and nothing else. wtf is that garbage.

      • jabjoe@feddit.ukEnglish
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        3 months ago

        You can get past these with a user agent, lying about which browser it is. However, they aren’t testing for other browsers, so their site maybe as buggy as hell. As yet Firefox doesn’t do a WINE and match Chrome, bug for bug, so sites work as intended. Google have cause IE6’s return.

        • Jarmer@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          3 months ago

          It was indeed buggy, which was when I reached out to support. They immediately asked if I was using not Google Chrome itself, but a Chromium offshoot like Brave or Vivaldi. I was using ungoogled chromium, so they told me it won’t work. I switched to regular google chrome and it worked great. I wonder what on earth they’re using that’s part of Google Chrome that makes it work and not part of any other chromium projects.

      • Fashim@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yeah I’ve got an extension for it, it just changes the user-agent string.

        I use it on YouTube because for some totally not suspicious reason Firefox won’t play videos but when I spoof it to Chrome everything works fine.

        • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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          3 months ago

          User-agent is being deprecated, so it won’t work forever.

          Also note that if people keep their UA as Chrome permanently, hit counters will count them as Chrome users, and the number of Firefox users will go down.

            • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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              3 months ago

              The comment I replied to was mentioning user-agent. User-agent is being deprecated (replaced by client hints) so changing the user agent will eventually stop working.

              At the moment, the stats for browser usage rely on user agent as recorded by stats software used by various sites, so if you make Firefox pretend to be Chrome, you’ll be contributing to the Firefox user percentage going down.

              • SendMePhotos@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Right but why is that relevant? What good or bad does a number going down do? If Firefox wanted to keep track they could just count the number of downloads right?

                • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  The issue is that sites will have even less reason to support Firefox if the number of people using Firefox goes down.

        • TJDetweiler@lemmy.caEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I’ve noticed significant YouTube quality degradation when using Firefox, but no issues with Chrome.

          Got a link for the extension by any chance?

      • dan@upvote.auEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Not always doable as they could be relying on non-standard features that are only in Chrome.

        Not exactly the same thing, but my employer requires us to use Chrome for all internal stuff, as they’re using Chrome Enterprise Premium as part of their endpoint security solution, and of of course that only works in Chrome.

      • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        3 months ago

        It takes more than changing your user agent to msk which browser you use. It’s trivial to know which browser you’re really using if they really want.

        • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I’m pretty sure it’s much easier to mask your browser than detect the correct browser. In the end you’re just hitting a server for data, you fully control the call that is made.