Well, if this causes a problem for Harris in Wisconsin, and Trump wins because of it, all their problems will be magically solved when Trump forcibly deports them regardless of legal status (or even citizenship status).
They will never have to worry about voting for the wrong candidate for President again!
I mean, to be fair to those folks, as they are citizens it’s highly unlikely that even that guy could get them all deported.
For all his talk on ‘remigration’ he doesn’t seem to have any more of a real plan on this than on healthcare.
I’ve already expressed my opinion elsewhere (but to reiterate - they should follow the example of Uncommitted and vote in a way to keep the GOP candidate from winning while declining to endorse Harris). The best hope here is that they are voting in the polls for Stein to show their displeasure with Harris but they’ll be more strategic at the ballot bot.
The thing is, in normal times it’s perfectly fine to withhold your vote or use it as a protest vote when you don’t like any of the likely candidates - while knowing that regardless our democratic institutions will be safe and sound and continue to carry on the day.
But at the same time, I’m reminded about Brexit. In particular,
some publicly admitted they intended to use a “protest vote” in the belief the UK was certain to remain in the European Union.
I mean, to be fair to those folks, as they are citizens it’s highly unlikely that even that guy could get them all deported.
Our Supreme Court just gave him a free ticket to do whatever the hell he wants, as long as it can be traced back to his official capacity. The only check on this is impeachment, which fails as long as 34 Senators are on his side.
Health Care was a bugaboo for him because he needed to get Congress to go along, and those people still need to win their own elections. But he would have all the things he needs to deport all the people he doesn’t like, without Congress: a pen to write Executive Orders, a Corps of Engineers to build camps, a complacent Judiciary, and a total lack of a conscience.
I disagree.
Apologies for asking, but curious as to the nature of your disagreement. Like, which statements do you explicitly disagree with in the above, and why? What’s your alternative take on the above?
That’s your prerogative, of course. But sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good. This is one of those times.
In your opinion. Which I support and respect your right to have. But I’m going a different way.
What way is that? In what world does Trump get any of this group what they want?
There isn’t, in short. Even the followers of Islam who are backing Stein seem to acknowledge this, as per the article,
“We know Jill Stein is not going to make it to the White House, but if she gets 20,000 or 30,000 votes in Wisconsin and Democrats lose, this will be a lesson for them to learn that next time they can’t ignore this vibrant and growing community.”
So it’s not so much about backing the GOP candidate because they think things will be better off with him - but about showing that they have enough power as a voting block to swing the election, so Dems better treat them seriously and listen to and address their concerns.
The article mentions, perhaps somewhat overoptimistically, that Harris’s Jewish support is much stronger. The implication I take away from that is that Harris should agree to the requests of this bloc and hope that the Jewish voters continue to turn out for Harris as well even if her ultimate position ends up being less friendly to them.
I though have some concerns here. The GOP candidate has a Jewish son in law, and also is very much in line with Netanyahu’s policy, more so than Biden or Harris. So I would worry that too strong a shift in position could deliver actual votes to the GOP, and hence sympathize with Harris’s very delicate balancing act here.
But that entire idea is foolish. If this is now turning into a race-based election, and you’re not voting for Harris against the obvious worst possible candidate just because she has a Jewish husband, then WTF.
You’re trying to make the case there is some racism here against Palestinians or Muslims, but it’s only okay if it works in reverse against Harris. That’s some extra fucked up logic right there.
Not only that, if this particular group would rather vote for the guy who has consistently denigrated them, threatened them, called them terrorists, said he’s going to “send them back to where they came from”, and THEN turn around and say it’s valid they do so because they’re trying to make the case that it’s simply about illustrating a point (a threatening one at that)…WOW. That’s is some A+ bullshit and mental gymnastics.
“Nice little country you got here. Would be a shame if something happened to it, unless you do exactly as I say.”
On principle I think it a MUST that if you’re suggesting this is the message, straight up tell those people to go fuck themselves, because they are not only harming themselves, they’re harming millions of others.
I’m voting third party. You can vote how you want. And Muslim Americans can vote how they want.
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She should have a problem everywhere.
Who would have thought the person that’s killing their families wouldn’t have support?
Kamala Harris is not killing anyone, nor is she in charge of US foreign policy. She doesn’t have executive authority, and she’s not the secretary of state. Even then, Israel is waging the war, not the US.
The Muslim and Arab population in the US is also not all Palestinian. I would bet a small fraction are.
To people outside your bubble, this is exactly the kind of intentionally misrepresented and extreme rhetoric that makes it seem like you and your cohorts are either stupid or working for a Trump win.
VP sits on the NSC as an equal to the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense. She has just as much influence as the rest.
She has taken the ‘fuck Palestinians we are fighting for Israel’ stance.
Israel is raging the war with US money and bombs, so yes the US does have the final say if the bombing stops or not. Reagan had that power, and Thatcher did in the UK.
To people outside your bubble, this is exactly the kind of intentionally misrepresented and extreme rhetoric that makes it seem like you and your cohorts are either stupid or working for a Trump win.
That’s not very nice. I mean, it could just mean that some people disagree with you. Actually lots of people outside this Lemmy bubble disagree with you. Which is why it’s may be an issue.
No, it means you refuse to face reality. And actually the voting record proves your opinion is extremely unpopular. On Lemmy it is probably overrepresented
According to news reports, the subject is definitely becoming an issue for her.
