• yesman@lemmy.worldOP
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    11 months ago

    You know, when you advantage a hypothetical displacement over an ongoing one, the implicit argument is that Israelis are superior to Palestinians. You’re asking: wouldn’t it be horrible for the Palestinians to do to the Israelis what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians?

    If you think it’s unfair to displace one oppressed people in favor of another, then yea, I agree.

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      11 months ago

      I think it’s unfair to expect a people to just belly up and die because Jihadists are using their own people as human shields. There have been over 7 times where the Palestinian people have had a chance to establish an actual state. They refused each and every time. So I’m struggling to see a parallel between what Israel is doing (defending its people) vs what you are suggesting.

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        11 months ago

        I think it’s unfair to expect a people to just belly up and die

        This makes it sound like Israel’s existence depends on the Palestinian people NOT being free

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          11 months ago

          The Palestinian people have had many many options to accept a two state solution and “be free”. But they will never be free because their leaders only want the distruction of Israel and death of all jews. And, since the people and the rest of the world are intent on critisizing only Israel and making no moves towards freeing the Palestinian people from Hamas, they will NOT be free.

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            10 months ago

            I’m Palestinian, grew up in a Palestinian family, went to lots of protests, “Kill all Jews” is not something people say out or appreciate. The problem is with Zionists, not Jew.

            That being said, totally legal to march in Israel and chant “Death to all Arabs”

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              10 months ago

              Ok. I assume you don’t live in Gaza. Because then you’d be learning antisemitism in school: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/eu-study-confirms-incitement-in-palestinian-textbooks

              And I assume you don’t go to mosque because then you’d be hearing about gharqad

              And probably didn’t attend these protests: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/death-to-the-jews-chants-heard-at-berlin-pro-palestinian-rally/amp/

              https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjdkan0mp

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                10 months ago

                Yes, antisemitism exists. No, Palestinians as a collective don’t want to kill all Jews. The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement.

                And no, I did not go to those protests, and if I did I would have spoken up about it and not let people chant such bullshit.

                And no, I don’t go to mosques, I’m an atheist.

                Ah yes and the antisemitism in books claim:

                One religious studies textbook asks students to discuss the “repeated attempts by the Jews to kill the prophet” Muhammad and asks who are “other enemies of Islam.”

                This is a historical event, regarding specifically the Jewish tribes near Mecca. That being said, fuck Mohammed and fuck Israel just the same.

                A math text showed a picture of Palestinians hitting Israeli soldiers with slingshots to describe Newton’s second law of motion.

                LOL. What is the issue exactly? Doesn’t say “Jews”, says specifically hitting an Israel soldier, as one should when all means of resistance have run out.

                Another textbook “promotes a conspiracy theory that Israel removed the original stones of ancient sites in Jerusalem and replaced them with ones bearing “Zionist drawings and shapes.”

                Yes, good example of antisemitism, haven’t double checked this though and don’t really know what it refers to 🤔 pretty sure Israel ruined all sorts of historical Palestinian sites anyway.

                About Dalal Al Maghrebi, yeah, that’s bad, I agree, she should not be hailed as a hero.

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                  10 months ago

                  The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement. - please show your proof. And please don’t give me quotes from several outliers which unfortunately have been brought recently into the Israeli government. They don’t represent the majority of Israel as apperantly the multitudes cheering in the streets while the October 7th hostiges were paraded through Gaza streets represent the people of Gaza.