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It’s not in the interests of the ordinary person but it’s not a conspiracy either. A cashless society is a system run amok

cross-posted from: https://links.hackliberty.org/post/2932106

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WHAT WILL A CASHLESS SOCIETY MEAN?

THE PROS

CONVENIENCE — THERE WILL NO LONGER BE ANY NEED TO CARRY CASH AROUND

THE CONS

EVERY TRANSACTION YOU MAKE WILL BE TRACKED YOUR SPENDING HABITS CAN BE LINKED TO YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT

YOU WILL ONLY BE PERMITTED TO SPEND ON THINGS THE GOVERNMENT APPROVES OF. THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED TO BE LUXURIES — MEAT, FUEL, TRAVEL — CAN BE RESTRICTED

YOUR MONEY CAN BE PROGRAMMED WITH AN EXPIRY DATE — IF YOU DON’T SPEND IT BY A CERTAIN DATE, YOU’LL LOSE IT

THERE WILL BE NO ‘BLACK’ ECONOMY. IT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE TO AVOID TAX, BUT THEN YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE POCKET MONEY TO CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN AND NEITHER WILL YOU BE ABLE TO BORROW OR LEND MONEY TO FRIENDS WITHOUT THAT BEING TAXED BY THE GOVERNMENT

PARKING AND SPEEDING FINES WILL BE TAKEN AT SOURCE, WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CHALLENGE AND POSSIBLY EVEN WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE

IF YOU PROTEST THE ACTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT, YOUR MONEY CAN BE SWITCHED OFF. IF YOU THINK THAT’S UNLIKELY, IT’S ALREADY HAPPENED TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS WHEN THEY PROTESTED AND IT ALSO HAPPENED TO A BRITISH JOURNALIST

A CASHLESS SOCIETY MEANS THE END OF HUMAN FREEDOM

IF YOU WANT THAT, DO NOTHING

IF YOU DON’T, THE FIRST THING YOU MUST DO IS RESPOND TO THE GOVERNMENT’S PROPOSAL ON DIGITAL ID, UPON WHICH A CASHLESS SOCIETY MUST BE BASED

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/draft-legislation-to-help-more-people-prove-their- identity-online/consultation-on-draft-legislation-to-support-identity-verificat

Image Credit: Brett Scott

  • ReversalHatchery@beehaw.orgEnglish
    5·
    20 days ago

    “YOU WILL ONLY BE PERMITTED TO SPEND ON THINGS THE GOVERNMENT APPROVES OF. THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED TO BE LUXURIES — MEAT, FUEL, TRAVEL — CAN BE RESTRICTED” This is already true. Things that the government deems illegal are… not legal to buy? And luxuries are already taxed higher than necessities. This already exists as written.

    I don’t think so. I think they want to say that the restrictions can (and will) become “personalized”. You can’t buy this because you are like that, this costs more for you, etc.

    Things that the government deems illegal are… not legal to buy?

    you can still buy them. and when something is illegal, that unfortunately does not always mean that it’s harmful or otherwise bad

    And luxuries are already taxed higher than necessities

    equally so for everyone

    There’s a threshold for income that below that it’s a waste of EVERYONE’s time to track. So things like allowances and pocket money between friends is just not affected.

    it is a waste of time to track that because it’s manual work for relatively little gains. without cash it will be automated and much easier to tax that too. whether they want it is another question, but it wouldn’t be a waste of time anymore

    “PARKING AND SPEEDING FINES WILL BE TAKEN AT SOURCE, WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CHALLENGE AND POSSIBLY EVEN WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE” Why would they?

    which part do you mean? you might not be able to challenge it if it turns out as a system like google or facebook, where there are no human support personnel to be contact you might not be able to know it happened if you are not notified, and you’re just supposed to see it in a transaction history. maybe the writer was thinking about something else, though, because that’s already the case with bank accounts.

    IF YOU PROTEST THE ACTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT, YOUR MONEY CAN BE SWITCHED OFF. IF YOU THINK THAT’S UNLIKELY, IT’S ALREADY HAPPENED TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CANADIANS WHEN THEY PROTESTED AND IT ALSO HAPPENED TO A BRITISH JOURNALIST" - Is this about the Flu Trucks Clan? Well the way the Canadian gov’t handled that was pretty shit. I’ll give you that. But um. We still have cash in Canada.

    How fortunate. That doesn’t look like to be the case for too long, though, and that’s why we are in this comment sectioat

    And if they can turn off your ability to spend in a cash society then this is at the worst a net zero.

    how would they do that? in my understanding, they can’t disable your (physical, to be clear) cash, because the notes are almost indistinguishable (almost because of the serial number, however nobody looks at that), and not programmable either

    “A CASHLESS SOCIETY MEANS THE END OF HUMAN FREEDOM” What? The onus is on you to explain this one further.

    • by making you unable to use it for its intended purpose, and also - by surveiling you through electronic payments, which record when, where and how much did you pay to who and for what.

    surveillance alters people’s decisions, even of good persons who should have no reason for fear

    And if they want to track our movements all they need to do is ask apple and google or buy the data from 3rd parties

    that only worksif you don’t do anytanything against it for yourself. honestly, this phrase sounds pretty defeatist, while that’s not warranted.

    And you don’t need a warrant to buy data from a broker.

    nobody needs a warrant for buying data

    But these talking points aren’t actually the end of the world that OP would like you to believe.

    Technically china level surveillance isn’t the end of the world either, neither were communist dictatorships in eastern Europe.

    I wouldn’t want to live in such a world, however

    • Butterbee (She/Her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
      3·
      20 days ago

      I think I didn’t say the right thing when I wrote it isn’t the end of the world. Because I agree that level of control and surveillance is BAD. I really meant to communicate that it isn’t a future doomer scenario. It’s the world we live in RIGHT NOW. And if you don’t like that, it’s not just cashless society that should concern you. It’s not something we can prevent. It’s something we have to undo.