• catloaf@lemm.ee
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      Yup. The media is framing this as antisemitism, but it’s not, it’s anti-shitheadism. It’s in this article, but they’ve buried it:

      Amsterdam’s police chief said that Maccabi supporters set a Palestinian flag on fire and attacked a taxi a day before the match was set to take place.

      Ahead of the game, a Palestinian flag was ripped off a building in the city centre and riot police blocked pro-Palestinian supporters from marching toward the stadium, according to Dutch broadcaster NOS.

      Yeah, that’s what started it.

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        We’re the same people that attacked the taxi and the flag the same people who were attacked? If they were the same people, it’s anti dickehead behaviour. If it’s other supporters, connected only by their nationality, then calling it antisemitism is not a stretch.

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        A day before the match

        So a whole day later, and people organized an indiscriminate attack against Israelis…

        Sorry, you can’t support this unless you believe that violence is an appropriate response to another person’s national origin.

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            You can’t just start hitting a random person of the same origin and claim this to be justified.

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              The victim mentality is just in your head. Others just see an asshole who is burning down your flag and abusing you with death threats.

              You pretend as if your nationality is visible to people like a banner… but it’s not. It’s just your behavior.

              When you behave like an asshole and indulge in violence and spew hatred you expect people to respect your origin?

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              Also: you should look at yourself in the mirror. These so called football fans were saying “Fuck Arabs”. You’re a hypocrite if you think this is ok, but then shomehow think Jews are targeted for being jews but not the threatening of Arabs and burning of flags.

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                One person tore down a flag.

                The next day, dozens of Israelis were attacked, regardless of their association with this person.

                They were attacked for being Israeli. Most Israelis were born in Israel and have no other citizenships. Generally you don’t get to choose what country you were born in…

                Every day, the pro-palestine left proves that it has fallen for antisemitic propaganda. You have an excuse now for committing violence against any Jew or Israeli that you want.

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                  Every day, the pro-israeli right proves that it has fallen for anti-Palestinan propaganda. You have an excuse now for committing violence against any Palestinian or Arabs that you want.

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                Sorry, but the news text read as if this was retaliation for acts which happened a day before. You are telling me instead, they were attacked while chanting and ripping flags, which would make this a different story but still an act of violence.

                Edit: could we just stop this whole bullshit and act decent to other sentient beings?

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                  I don’t see people calling for decency when it’s brown people on the receiving end. I only see people calling for decency when people call out/fight back against the agressors.

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                    Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are not the ones bombing Gaza. The only logic you’re following here is that being Israeli means you’re fair game.

                    Remember how in post-9/11 America violence against Arabs residents and businesses skyrocketed, despite their only connection being country of origin, ethnicity, or religion? That’s what Jews around the world are experiencing because of Gaza - because of people like you.

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                    I am sorry, if my words somehow offended you. I never intended them to be interpreted in such a way, nor am I limiting my compassion by skin color or species.

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      Yes they attacked an arab taxi driver and ripped down flags, as well as chanting genocidal songs

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        I have seen one video where someone tears down a Palestinian flag, but mostly I’ve seen videos of people on mopeds attacking people on foot.

        I am not ruling out that Israeli fans were the initial agitators, I’m just waiting to see more than one video of vandalism before I try to justify what happened here.

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          Cool downvotes, but anyone actually got any evidence that the claims I am critical of are true?