• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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      28 days ago

      You chickenhawks are always so loud and self-righteous, until someone wants to force you or your kid to actually go fight in the war.

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        28 days ago

        On the contrary, I would rather NOT go to war. You know what’s the best way to get that to happen? Have a strong enough military that bullies like Putin and Xinnie will think very very carefully before launching a ‘special military operation’ into your country.

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          28 days ago

          You know what’s the best way to get that to happen? Have a strong enough military

          History, at least in the US, does not support your position on this. Hell, the US has rebranded what war means so we can get involved in even more foreign conflicts and kill more civilians. (“Enemy combatant” and “peacekeeping actions”)

          At one point under Obama and Trump the US was at war in seven different countries. (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.)

          And people call it a bad thing that Trump got us out of Syria and Afghanistan, lol.

          Our military is not a tool of peace. It’s a weapon for corporate interests to brandish throughout the world.

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            26 days ago

            Oversimplification:

            Actually, it’s both, at different times, in different places, sure, but it isn’t just-1 or just-the-other.

            Never has been.

            Politics has ALWAYS been this way, through millenia.

            Read Sunzi ( formerly Sun Tzu, aka Master Sun ), about how the supreme general never has to get into battle,

            simply because the entire region’s too busy prospering, for anybody to be digging-into battle…

            As machiavellian as some of that book is, that final principle’s right right right.

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      29 days ago

      Don’t forget the postcard to Russia inviting them over for tea

      You must have confused me for a german politician

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            29 days ago

            There is no “both sides” here. Russia invaded Ukraine, repeatedly since 2014, salami slicing it. It interfered in elections. It killed multiple people on foreign soil, using highly dangerous, banded methods, that could easily have killed many others than the target. Putin has completely destroyed any democracy in Russia and murders his opponents.

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              28 days ago

              Both west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers

              This is a fact and has nothing to do with sides or teams. Both the west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers

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                28 days ago

                Countries joining NATO to get protection from Russia, or the EU, to get trade deals, is not remotely the same as Russia invading Ukraine in bloody war. Or any of the murderous shit Putin has done.

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                  26 days ago

                  The person you’re arguing-against has a valid point…

                  https://www.npr.org/2021/12/25/1067966116/u-s-air-strikes-have-killed-thousands-of-civilians-nyt-magazine-investigation-fi

                  & that is just 1 source I was able to find in mere-seconds, as this issue has had entire books written on it.

                  BOTH sides commit imperialist narcissist machiavellian psychopathic nihilistic sadistic shit, while gaslighting the entire-world about it.

                  The difference is a difference of degree, not a “1 does it, the other doesn’t do it” difference,

                  & that has been true for … the last 8+ decades?


                  This is actually a fundamental problem with “politics”:

                  IF a particular machiavellian-operation is established,

                  AND a “new government” is elected,

                  Do you try resetting everything, in order to align with the temporarily-in-power new-electorate?

                  XOR do you just keep everything underhanded going as S.O.P, while letting the “politicians” play in the polls?

                  ( this is intentionally a false-dichotomy: the right-answer is somewhere between, & keeps dynamically changing, as the country’s morality devolves/evolves )

                  Without periodic-review, there won’t ever be any accountability, & evil can just continue growing, endlessly, until the “deep state” really is the primary enemy of the country’s civil-rights…

                  With periodic-review, however, then … done by whom?

                  when?

                  At what intervals?

                  With what authority?

                  etc.

                  Therefore, the default is for evil to just continue growing…

                  As a collector-of-knowledge told me, years ago, the more he understood what had actually happened in the US molesting Nicaragua, via the CIA, & drug-cartels, etc…

                  the more he couldn’t figure-out who the bad-guys were supposed to be.

                  That is normal.

                  Spook stuff does everything it can to eradicate true-good & true-evil from all frames-of-reference!

                  that is by-design.

                  which is what makes it & some-people so … utterly-incompatible.

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