Please read the entire article and don’t just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US’s similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn’t you quote them?
Read the UN’s definition of genocide and tell me this doesn’t fit the bill.
Why are you trying to argue the semantics of what’s happening to the Uyghurs? It’s a brain dead thing to argue and is also as you say “moving the goalposts” from your original claim which was “there is no genocide taking place.” + you’re wrong
I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
A mental element: the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they’re are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7” “there are no innocent civilians there”
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
- Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
I’ll repeat I don’t deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it’s current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
Also bro you sound like an 8th grader who thinks they’re the shit cause they watched a YouTube video about Mao. You talk all pseudo intellectual and try to use modifiers like “I concur” as if that strengthens your argument somehow. It doesn’t and it makes you sound dumb and like you have no ground to stand on.
Let me make sure I’m reading this right, but the only way for you to accept a modern day genocide if the perpetrator of the genocide comes out with the same statements as Israeli leaders? That’s awfully narrow and rather off topic tbh.
The UN is reporting that the “anti-terrorist” laws in China are being abused in order to target a specific group of people and make their lives horrible. But I guess since their genocide is under the guise of “anti-terrorism” and China’s Minister of Defense didn’t call Uyghurs animals it doesn’t count.
And what “fabrication” are you talking about. Are you trying to deny that the Uyghurs aren’t being targeted?
For one condition could you provide a source that shows how Uyghurs are living perfectly peaceful lives without any genocidal intentions against them.
You’re clearly intentionally misinterpreting me in bad faith
To the same point I’ve held throughout this entire conversation i.e that the actions of the Chinese government in the Xinjiang province do not constitute a genocide, I have literally used the definition you provided to illustrate how by that standard and using the evidence from the goverments accused themselves you can see how a real an active ongoing genocide such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza meets this definition, and that although the Chinese government has committed human right abuses in Xinjiang by the definition you provided they do not constitute a genocide
Please read the entire article and don’t just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US’s similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn’t you quote them?
Read the UN’s definition of genocide and tell me this doesn’t fit the bill.
Why are you trying to argue the semantics of what’s happening to the Uyghurs? It’s a brain dead thing to argue and is also as you say “moving the goalposts” from your original claim which was “there is no genocide taking place.” + you’re wrong
Get a grip man
I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they’re are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7” “there are no innocent civilians there”
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” - Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
And here’s a database of 500 statements of genocidal intent from Israeli government leaders
I’ll repeat I don’t deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it’s current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
Also bro you sound like an 8th grader who thinks they’re the shit cause they watched a YouTube video about Mao. You talk all pseudo intellectual and try to use modifiers like “I concur” as if that strengthens your argument somehow. It doesn’t and it makes you sound dumb and like you have no ground to stand on.
Go touch some grass you loser
And you sound like a salty 9th graded who just got proven wrong by an 8th grader lmao
“Go touch some grass you loser
”
Good intel on Israel, thanks?
Let me make sure I’m reading this right, but the only way for you to accept a modern day genocide if the perpetrator of the genocide comes out with the same statements as Israeli leaders? That’s awfully narrow and rather off topic tbh.
The UN is reporting that the “anti-terrorist” laws in China are being abused in order to target a specific group of people and make their lives horrible. But I guess since their genocide is under the guise of “anti-terrorism” and China’s Minister of Defense didn’t call Uyghurs animals it doesn’t count.
And what “fabrication” are you talking about. Are you trying to deny that the Uyghurs aren’t being targeted?
For one condition could you provide a source that shows how Uyghurs are living perfectly peaceful lives without any genocidal intentions against them.
You’re clearly intentionally misinterpreting me in bad faith
To the same point I’ve held throughout this entire conversation i.e that the actions of the Chinese government in the Xinjiang province do not constitute a genocide, I have literally used the definition you provided to illustrate how by that standard and using the evidence from the goverments accused themselves you can see how a real an active ongoing genocide such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza meets this definition, and that although the Chinese government has committed human right abuses in Xinjiang by the definition you provided they do not constitute a genocide