• LotrOrc@lemmy.world
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        Getting mad at people for not being willing to condone a genocide is a really wild take to me.

        If you’re saying that genocide over there is okay so that genocide over here doesn’t happen as quickly then I don’t really know how to argue that.

        We got to this point because the Democrats themselves have been toothless for much of the last 25 years, and prop up the same system that the Republicans are fast tracking even more. The dems did not lose this election just because of the Gaza vote, they lost it because they wouldn’t listen to or support the regular people on the street. Dems had the chance to enshrine things into law - they controlled senate and house for the first two years of Biden. They did not codify any protections for trans rights or abortion rights, then used both as a fundraising event.

        Over 50% of white men and women voted for Trump this time around.

        So instead of getting mad at people who could not conscientiously condone a genocide, why not get mad and dismantle a system wherein a few billionaires get to buy the entire world and commit genocides on a massive scale? The US has been bombing half the world for almost its entire history. That doesn’t change because Republicans are in power or Democrats are in power.

        The current system is between ultra rich and everyone else. If everyone else keeps shitting on each other that won’t change.

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          What people get mad at you about is your insistence that checking the box next to somebody’s name on a ballot is a gesture of 100% support for everything on their agenda and everything they have ever done.

          The genocide over there and everywhere else is not okay. The fact that the US supports it and does tons of imperialist shit is not okay.

          I voted for Harris and genocide is not ok. But you know what else? I have a smart phone and exploited foreign labor is not ok. I have to drive my old car to work and fossil fuels, greenhouse gas emissions, unwalkable towns, and microplastic pollution are not OK. I eat food, and both exploited underpaid migrant farm workers and corporation produced ultra-processed foods are not OK.

          The fact that the US is imperialist and supports Israel was simply not on the presidential ballot in the general election. That is not OK, but it is true. Changing that part of the world for the better means working to make the next election’s choices better, whether that means the peaceful rise of a charismatic progressive candidate or a bloody revolution accelerated into being by shot Trump is doing.

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          You seem to have forgotten your previous post where you said, “It’s the same amount of genocide.”

          No it isn’t, now there is more genocide. Of brown people, of queer people, and apparently they’re coming for the indigenous as well.

          But arguing about the election is far more important than acknowledging that, isn’t it?

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              You’ve had two chances to acknowledge that there have been several domestic genocides added in the U.S. and you have not been willing to, so I think you should be asking that question of yourself.

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                How have I failed to acknowledge that? I said genocide there vs genocide here. Seems to be an acknowledgement

                However by your own logic, you have not said you don’t support genocide.

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                  No, you never said that.

                  This is the closest you got to saying that:

                  If you’re saying that genocide over there is okay so that genocide over here doesn’t happen as quickly then I don’t really know how to argue that.

                  (Which is not something I said, by the way. You just want me to claim I’m in favor of genocide for some reason I cannot fathom.)

                  So you are now admitting that it is not the same amount of genocide like you originally claimed? It’s actually a lot more genocide?

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      Technically it’s actually less, there’s an ongoing ceasefire. Hope it lasts, but no hope tbh, Trump definitely doesn’t care about Gazan lives.