• Count Regal Inkwell@pawb.socialEnglish
    117·
    5 hours ago

    I think saying Tankies aren’t Communists is a bit like saying Sword Art Online isn’t an anime.

    Just because they suck doesn’t remove them from the category. In fact acknowledging the sucky parts of a <thing> is part of being grown up about that thing.

    • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      132·
      5 hours ago

      Communism is stateless and classless. How are STATES with authoritarian unanswerable leaders/classes in any way communist?

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      5 hours ago

      Well they’re more like Authoritarian “Communists”, the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms.

      But the only examples of communism in practice, and the only ones they praise and defend fervently, are places with authoritarian regimes like China.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

      Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.

      • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldEnglish
        39·
        4 hours ago

        the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms

        Communism is a political ideology predicated on murdering a group of political enemies in the name of a pseudoscientific economic theory which is given the same reverence that Catholics do to church dogma. Communism is, and always has been, a cult.

        • Belgdore@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          8 minutes ago

          Whoever told you that had an agenda.

          First, communism is an economic theory. A very stripped down version of the theory is this: It proposes that the rich have obtained their wealth through the exploitation of workers. They justify the exploitation by “owning” the raw materials, tools, factories, land, and other apparatuses that the workers need to produce things. But without workers those things could not be converted or used to convert raw materials into goods. The theory suggests that the workers should own those things instead of the rich people. The idea is that the workers would then share amongst each other because, being of the same class, they are naturally more likely to care about the needs of the others in that class. Whatever your opinion or critique of this general idea, it is an idea not a cult.

          Like all theories that have some level of popularity it has a lot of variations and sub theories. Some are more idealistic than others. These factions have a lot of history with one another a review of the Russian revolution and lead up show the kind of factionalism that exists with the movement. If you study revolutions you know that this is common.

          Second, people have used virtually any ideal to justify atrocities. We should not throw out an idea only because someone somewhere used it to justify violence.

          Third dogma is a problem. It is used in communist communities in the same way that it is used in the Catholic Church, to try and prevent descension. As noted above communist movements tend to have a lot of factions but the one that gains the most traction always tries to force the others into line. This is common wherever there are new ideas being implemented as policy.

          This is likely why people think communism is intent on murdering its enemies. However, every revolution, Russian, French, Haitian, United States, etc. used violence and murder to achieve its goal.

          Communists also say that capitalism murders people every day, and they die with a smile on their face. A pittance of a paycheck goes in their widow’s purse while they have died without realizing that they were exploited to death.

      • SmokeyDope@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 hour ago

        Its generic slop by anime standards. Like yeah anime is meant for teenagers and young adults so you can’t be too critical over fanservice or flat YA novel Gary sue tier character writing or forgetting to write an actually compelling reason for the villain doing the bad thing at the start by the time the story wraps up. But you can at least try you know?

        Anime in general is not meant to be high art but SAO goes the extra mile to be uninteresting bland slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Young nerdy teenage boys dont care because all they want is the hot anime girl harem and flashy epic gamer op superpower eye candy sakuga battles but the older you get the more apparent the poor writing gets.

        The isekai genre has done a lot better over the decade since SAO initially released things like rezero or even Overlord blow it out of the water in terms of actually interesting plot and suspense. The only reason SAO is still popular is the high quality porn.