There appears to be a serious problem with suspicious or spam accounts. Below are a few examples from just the last few weeks. This isn’t specific to just GoneWild, but to all of the NSFW communities:
Example #1: Issue with people posting pictures of people who are not themselves, or pictures of people without their consent.
- Yesterday I noticed a picture that I had already seen posted multiple times. I looked at the user’s post and noticed that it was their only post. This was weird since I 100% had seen that picture posted already. I posted a comment asking OP about this and multiple people responded saying that they also noticed this. Then the post was deleted/removed.
- One user told me that the user who had uploaded this pic before messaged him claiming that “my wife loves your dick” (supposedly the lady in the photo) and that they could message her on Telegram. Clearly this was suspicious and clearly the OP had not obtained consent from the woman in the photo.
Example #2: OnlyFans Bait
- By OnlyFans bait, I mean posts that are clearly designed to drive traffic to a user’s only fans. I will not post the username to avoid calling anyone out, however there is one user that posts pictures with a watermark on every single picture that says something like “USING FREE VERSION OF THIS IMAGE SOFTWARE GENERATES THIS WATERMARK.” My suspicion was that this was done intentionally to drive traffic to their OnlyFans page (in their profile there is a link to their OF page.) I suspect that this is designed to have people subscribe to their OnlyFans page in order to see pictures without the watermark. I asked OP why she uses this software with a watermark, vs. any others that don’t have this, and the post was deleted shortly after.
Example #3: Posts saying “first time poster” when they’re not.
- Similar to #1, people often post pictures with titles like “first time poster, tell me what you think” when I have clearly seen the image posted like 8 times under different accounts. Whenever this is called out, the post is usually deleted.
Example #4: Sympathy-bait titles
- By sympathy-bait titles, I mean titles purposely designed to generate “sympathy and compliments” from users. For example, many times there will be a beautiful fit woman who posts a picture and the title is something like “my boyfriend said I looked fat. What does Lemmy think?” I think these types of titles are clearly fake and unhelpful. I don’t think titles should be allowed like this and just contributes to the overall sketchy issues that these communities are facing.
Example #5: Posts without gender tags.
- This one is self explanatory. I see it all the time though. Sometimes I see a mod tell the OP to add a tag, sometimes I don’t. It really depends on the community. This rule should definitely be enforced more consistently.
Just curious if anything can or will be done to combat this type of bullcrap? It’s turning a lot of these communities into straight up spam. Is there any sort of verification system that can be used? I hate to use the R word (Reddit), but Reddit requires verification for NSFW subreddits I am pretty sure. Can something similar be done here? Posting nude pictures of people without consent is a serious issue and it’s asking for trouble if law enforcement gets involved. I have to assume that no one wants this to happen.
I hope this was acceptable to post here as I support the purpose of these communities and I don’t want to see them turn into a cesspool of sketchy posts and onlyfans bait.
Edit: sorry if this came off as bashing mods. I didn’t mean for it to be like that. Just wanted to make that clear. I highly doubt moderating a Lemmy community is easy, given the limited tools available.
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The majority if not all of these posts are removed, if you see a post like that report it, additionally if you recieve messages like that and you think the posts they’re making aren’t OC, please report the messages too
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people are allowed to have watermarks, and to minimally advertise things like onlyfans, if you see something that breaks the rules, report it.
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First time poster means it is their first time posting in a community, if you think you’ve seen the images posted on other accounts before, please report it
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If you think a title like this goes against the rules, report it, otherwise, like many communities here, it’s mostly just the admins taking care of reports when they come.
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Once again report these posts when you see them.
We do verification behind the scenes. Unless I have a reason to ban someone, like them not showing verification when requested or posting known stolen content as OC, I can’t just ban every account I think MIGHT be suspicious.
Sometimes moderation takes time and verification of stories, even moreso when lemmy moderation tools are limited.
People have mentioned bots that could handle these things, and yes, we have some bot functionality added where we can.
- Known stolen images are slowly being catalogued in our admin automod bot
- We have a simple automod bot for mods, but it seems to, as of late, not be working correctly, and even so, all it can do is create reports for the most part
These are the only two publicly available mod bots to my knowledge. We on the admin staff are volunteers and don’t really have the free time to develop a full automod bot for lemmy, although it’s something I would like to do in the future.
That being said, we are open to mods to having new mods for this specific community, I’ll probably make a post about it in the near future.
Thank you for the followup and information! Yes I report posts that seem suspicious. Lemmy is pretty bare bones so not surprising that it’s hard to catch everything. Appreciate it! Keep up the good work.
Lemmy being bare-bones is kinda by design.
This is only my opinion, but Reddit moderation got very heavy handed in many subs. Many mods got over inflated ideas of what their role was in the community. I see myself as a Facilitator of my community first, and Enforcer only when rules have been violated. I try to consciously avoid having a Gatekeeping mentality.Ah yea. It’s a hard line to tread. You can be hands off but things get crazy. Or you can be very invovled but then accused of abusing mod power. I totally get it. It’s often hard to find a middle ground.
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I understand the sentiment, but frankly the mods and community as a whole do a very good job of policing to ensure shady things are removed. Please understand that there’s been a larger number of new users than usual because Reddit has been up to shenanigans recently. There will always be growing pains.
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#1: Without forced verification, which isn’t even a thing except in the largest subs on Reddit, you aren’t going to be able to fully combat people catfishing. Standard internet safety rules are always going to be necessary no matter what rules are in place and mods do a good job of responding to reported posts.
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#2: That’s not Onlyfans bait. Literally almost 80-90% of OC posters are advertising the links to their sites in their profile. The very act of posting is hoping to drive traffic to their paid content. Don’t be naive and please don’t shame someone for their choice of using a free image editor over a paid one, especially when their images are very high quality(although I do agree that their posting habits do classify them as a spammer)
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#3: Generally when you see the “first time posting” message, what they mean is that it’s their first time posting in a community and not on the instance. Remember that a lot of new content posters who are advertising don’t take the time to understand that this place is smaller than Reddit and we see every post regardless of where it’s posted because there’s less noise. It’s not malicious.
Replying to your replies. I also upvoted your reply since I appreciate the candid conversation.
#1. Totally fair.
#2. I would agree but the fact that the post was deleted directly after I asked about it is extremely suspicious. I absolutely had no intent to shame someone for using a specific image editor. However the deletion of the post was weird. And my comment on her deleted post was not combative. I merely said i was curious why she used that image editor over others and that I wasn’t a photographer and I was unfamilar with different editors.
#3. I would agree however often times when you go to these users profiles, the post is their ONLY POST across any community, when everyone has clearly seen it posted before. This is suspicious.
You only had the 3 examples when I responded initially, but the other two that I see I also want to point out are almost always addressed by mods. It just takes time. Mods are people too and also volunteers - they aren’t online 100% of the time.
Gonna keep the numbering just so we can keep track of what I’m responding to.
#2 A lot of the Onlyfans accounts aren’t being posted by the women themselves. They are managed by external agencies posting on their behalf. It’s how the industry works now. They would almost always rather delete a post than deal with negative attention to their client. It’s really not that suspicious to me.
#3 This is a sex forum. People get cold feet and delete their accounts once the horny wears off all the time. The horny comes back and they make a new account. Yes some of these posts are phishing, but a lot of them are just people thinking with their horny brain and then regretting it later.
Just to add a follow-up, I feel like there should be a separate community for OnlyFans advertising, and that it should be kept separate from actual user communities. That’s just my opinion. I have no idea if people agree.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
My replies:
Agreed on your reply to my added examples. Sorry, I was still working on the post after I posted the initial 3. Appreciate you replying to those too. Totally agree. Just wanted to point it out.
#2. It seems kinda wack if we’re getting flooded with posts that are basically corporate Onlyfans posts in that case? Idk. It doesn’t sit well with me. I didn’t think that that’s what these communities should be about. It makes it seem like yet another corporatized space, which is what I thought Lemmy was trying to avoid. But if others disagree then I’ll concede.
#3. Yes definitely agreed, lol. It’s just extremely hard to tell if that’s the case, or if these are people posting women without consent, then deleting the posts when being called out. It’s just very suspicious to me.
Sure thing. I’ve been around for a very long time on the instance and the OF issue has been rehashed many times. I don’t enjoy OF myself either, I’m the type of person who despises being advertised to in general and the dynamic of paying for attention isn’t my cup of tea, but I accept that it’s necessary in the current landscape to ensure there is a constant stream of content. It’s a symbiotic relationship between professional and amateur posters. If there were no OC content being posted then there would be fewer users and the environment would be far more uncomfortable for amateur exhibitionists to post to. It would scare most people off and the ones that did would get less of the attention they want.
Individual communities can choose to allow advertising in various ways with their rules and overwhelmingly they decide to allow it. This is for a reason. As a prolific commenter around here I choose who I’ll engage with based on their behavior. If they spam or don’t engage with their content at all after posting and just want to drop it like a billboard and leave, then I also won’t engage with their content(which does ultimately affect the visibility of a post if enough people share the same opinion). If the behavior is bad enough, that’s why the block button exists. When you lump every content creator together you’re also doing a disservice to the ones that do it respectfully and well. Like everything in life, it’s a spectrum.
Thanks for your input. I appreciate you engaging with my post and I understand your perspective on the matter. No community will be perfect and everything you’re saying makes sense! I was just interested in other people’s opinions and wanted to share my view. So thx.
I wasn’t going to call out any specific post but here’s an obvious onlyfans bait example lol. Quite possibly THE example to use for this. This person’s posts across all the communities she posted in are getting downvoted so I have to assume I’m not the only one bothered by this.
Downvotes are disabled and not federated on Lemmynsfw. You will only see downvotes on posts that originate from your local instance.
I agree that this user’s posting behavior is in poor form, but she isn’t violating any of the community or instance guidelines on spam. She’s paying the price for her poor etiquette by having all of her posts perform poorly and she won’t receive the the advertising she desires by posting. I don’t see any problem with this and the system is working as intended.
Oh wow thank you for explaining that. I never understood how that works. So to confirm, if i see like 5 downvotes, that means that 5 users from my instance downvoted this? But anyone else from other instances who downvote it will be invisible to me?
What about upvotes? I’ll see those from everyone?
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A bot could handle the duplicate images and missing gender tags.
I don’t have a problem with the OF bait, so long as there are decent nudes posted.
Seconding this, there was a ton of it on Reddit, and some of them were annoying because they were basically spamming a rotation of a few pics on all the subreddits under the sun, whereas I feel like the Lemmy user that immediately comes to mind regarding this is actually posting new stuff fairly often, and also not spamming too much (And I do think they qualify as decent nudes)
Are you talking about April Fruity? She has great nudes. I’ve seen a few dupe spammers, but they get shut down pretty quickly.
I was thinking about Alisha but they both have great nudes and are not too spammy
Haha fair enough. Fair enough.
1, 3, 4, and 5 are pretty bad things. But 2…
What I mean is that this is no different than the same sex work that has existed since Victorian Britain. Despite me appreciating free sexy pictures, people need to make a living. It’s not that this is the way the world always works, but the way it works under capitalism, much like how supermarkets may have buy-one-get-one-free deals, but they ultimately have to turn a profit–and food banks are constantly under attack by lobbyists and libertarians. Or how someone would make indie comics, or set up their own store, but they still need money to keep their business going. Under capitalism, everything becomes a commodity, from the gold and oil of the Earth, to the paintings of Jackson Pollock, to the beaver pelts of Oregon, to the Internet itself–and its pornography. Hence the quote of Marx that “everything, commodity or not, is convertible into gold. Everything becomes saleable and buyable. The circulation becomes the great social retort into which everything is thrown, to come out again as a gold-crystal. Not even are the bones of saints, and still less are more delicate res sacrosanctae, extra commercium hominum able to withstand this alchemy. Just as every qualitative difference between commodities is extinguished in money, so money, on its side, like the radical leveller that it is, does away with all distinctions.” (Vol I, Ch.3, Sec. 3A)
Not that I necessarily agree with each and every one of these complaints but I’ll also add the one with the girl wearing a white corset at a concert which was then edited to fully topless and posted again without comment. I don’t know what that’s about but it seems pretty fucky to me.
That said no complaints about the mods. They do pretty good overall.
Edit: was going to go look for it to link it but it’s already gone as far as I can tell. They are doing good pretty much I think.
Sorry if the post came off as bashing mods. That wasn’t my intent! Just wanted to bring up the issues I see and check to see if 1.) people agree, and 2.) if anything can be done.
