• cygnus@lemmy.ca
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    Can someone who identifies as a leftist explain to me what “neoliberal” means? I have no fucking clue at this point.

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      ‘Free market,’ market-oriented reform capitalism; think Reagan, Bill Clinton, any moderate or conservative before the trump era.

      It has been the sole economic theory in power in the US since the 1970s, with more or less a sliding scale between more neoliberal (republicans before 2016) and less neoliberal/more classical liberal (Biden’s and Harris’s campaign messaging, not Biden’s actual actions).

      The reason it sounds confusing, especially in memes, is because you think dems and republicans have different economic theories behind their actions, when in actual legislative reality they’re just more or less neoliberal, and the minute differences get overblown in campaign rhetoric.

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        The reason it sounds confusing, especially in memes, is because you think dems and republicans have different economic theories behind their actions, when in actual legislative reality they’re just more or less neoliberal, and the minute differences get overblown in campaign rhetoric.

        The funny thing is that it’s Trump, of all people, who represents the first genuine shift away from neoliberalism for the US in 50+ years. That fucker is downright mercantilist.

        Too bad it’s a shift away from neoliberalism in the opposite of the direction the leftists wanted to go.

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          That fucker is downright mercantilist.

          Also a fake populist. He says things that seem like he will work to benefit the working class, but completely lies to them and screws them over at every opportunity.

          The imminent $6T tax cut for the rich and corporations will be Trump’s magnum opus.

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            fake populist

            AKA “demagogue.” That’s the essential difference between Trump and a populist like Bernie Sanders: Trump is a demagogue; Sanders isn’t.

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        It has been the sole economic theory in power in the US since the 1970s

        I’m not American so I may be missing something, but I find it hard to say that, for example, Carter and Reagan shared the same economic policy, or Obama and Trump. Only by flattening away any nuance whatsoever would those be called identical.

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          First of all, Trump really is very different. All these tariffs are decidedly not neoliberal.

          Trump aside, though, Carter, Reagan and Obama really did share broadly similar policy with regards to free trade treaties and whatnot. The Democrats were better on support for unions, but not so much better that they weren’t willing to throw them under the bus of cheap foreign labor.

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            Their idea of the rightful role of the state in everyday affairs was rather different though, wasn’t it? If support of free trade were all that’s needed to be a neoliberal, anarchists would be neoliberals too.

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      White Karens who drive around with awareness ribbons on their prius and chastise you for calling black people black instead of “African American” and really think that someone needs to do something about the current social crisis as long as it doesn’t upset anyone or anything and as long as everything stays exactly the same, and as long as nobody messes with their investments. They secretly cannot stand people different than themselves and want to retire on a golf course.

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    I don’t believe for a minute neoliberals would hold to that half women thing.

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      Yeah you’ll get one board member, maybe, if they feel like it. The steps needed even just to reform capitalism to eliminate gender inequality are considered way too radical by neoliberals.

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      They sure love to pitch men against women and vice versa deliberately to silence worker rights movements and they’re doing it in more ways than most people are willing to admit. Ask them to close the gender pay gap and a neoliberal will tell you about their women quota and how they placed a woman in a “leading” position (she has no power and didn’t get a raise) and how progressive they are already. Ask them for a raise and a neoliberal will tell you how women have it worse than you. You’re right in a way of course. It’s a convenient diversion for them and nothing more.

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    I always say neoliberals will affirm your identity and support your right to be who you are!.. As you die in the gutter of exposure and capital defense force brutality. Sorry, free market forces! 🤷

    You can’t eat pride ribbons. You can’t live in pride ribbons. A neoliberal is better than a scapegoating fascist, but so is an empty soda can. Neoliberals are also equally as effective as an empty soda can in opposing fascism, the inevitable outcome of capitalism when left to run amok instead of straightjacketed to serve society as it must be.

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      Look, what matters here is that everyone is included equally under oppressive capitalist movements which aim to drain of us of our lifeblood and monetize our very cells.

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      I do wonder what the makeup of 100 people would have to look like to be perfectly (or as perfect as possible) representative of all demographics, every way we chop them up. Race, nationality, gender identity, sexuality, permanent disfigurement, financial class, whatever.

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        There’s more than 100 possible combinations of race, nationality, gender identity, sexuality disability, etc, so you couldn’t accurately represent the whole human population with 100 people.

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    I’m convinced that 95% of people that use the word neoliberal don’t know what it means.

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      Well it doesn’t show the libs at all, but liberalism and neoliberalism are basically the same thing. Libs think a free market is all that’s needed, NeoLibs think a market needs state intervention.