I wish Apple hadn’t abandoned so many devices to rot on an old version for no good reason and then made their “One” service only work on the latest version as a blatant push to make people buy a new iDevice when the one they have would work just fine otherwise.
Literally what are you talking about besides the handful of gimmicks they restrict to new models?
They have phones that get consistent major updates for like 5-6 years. The 6S came out in 2015 and only stopped getting major updates like two years ago. And if you had iOS 12 on a phone you still got a security update this year. Which means the iPhone 5S, which came out in 2013, got an update a decade later. Not a single Android device I have ever owned has that unless I flash my own rom.
What he means is that typically after 5v years your iPhone won’t get a system update. Lets say you’re on iOS 10. Then next year Apple will tell all Devs that their apps may not longer support iOS 10 and below and all apps must use the ios 11 SDK.
Immediately all those folks stuck on iOS 10 cannot upgrade their apps and eventually they may stop functioning.
Whereas on the Android Play Store most apps require Android 5 and above. We’re about to get Android 14. That means that an 11 year old Android can still install the very latest apps and games.
if you bind the web browser to the system update you can have as long updates on Android as iOS. Considering how old devices get a washed down version of “updates” and everyone claiming that’s the holy grail of system support when google can push browser and security updates through Google Play Services. But keep repeating the only talking points you’ve ever known. You don’t have to wait for a system update for a browser vulnerability like a caveman on Google supported Android. And if Apple has to release the patch for the same vulnerability, it has to push a “system update”.
woo hoo, I had to use the Apple system update, Apple is the GOAT.
jeezus. 🤦♂️
Android by no means is perfect, is fragmented beyond control and Google is shit but these “consistent major updates” is apple fed bs. but you do you
Wow what a shit comment. It’s like you ignore things like API and feature updates across major releases that apps beyond the stock Apple ones get to take advantage of. Which again, are averaging 5 years of support.
Idgaf what OS someone uses. I love tech, I use a bit of everything. I fucking love Android and all the flexibility it gives me. Grow the fuck up.
Indeed this is a strength of Android and something most tech websites don’t understand: on iOS to get a bug fix the entire OS needs to be updated. On Android this is not the case. Google can just push out the update via the Play Store.
Security updates have to come from the vendor, which is exactly the same on iOS. Apple has to update the entire OS to issue a security update. Whereas on Android the OEM can just send out a small security fix
In both cases the OEM is the weak point because they need time to push it out. Whether ios or Android.
One nice thing on Android is that you don’t need to wait for an os update to add features to your device. You can just install an app.
For example, my LG V30 running Android 9 did not have gestures. So I downloaded an app called NG Gestures (needs an adb command for permission) and I had full gestures as if I were running Android 10 or higher.
Same thing with Dynamic Island. iPhone 14 user’s have to buy the iPhone 15 is they want dynamic island whereas on Android you can just install one of the many dynamic island apps and instantly have that functionality,. And that typically includes phones running Android 5 and higher.
If Apple has to release the patch for the same vulnerability, it has to push a “system update”.
And they do, quickly, and at worst it takes me 5 more minutes to reboot my phone. Meanwhile on the Pixel 6 Pro, my phone maybe couldn’t have called 911 for a week.
I was talking about iOS updates for things Apple doesn’t have de bundled from os updates. Since iOS updates are controlled by Apple and not carriers, it’s not similar to Android.
@phillaholic@ink if it takes a week for an update to get to you, you can blame your carrier for that. Google pushes updates very quickly to unlocked phones.
It’s a phone Google makes, with Software they make, a security vulnerability that Google discovered, which they alerted Google to 90 days before going public, a deadline they set, and I should blame AT&T for being responsible for this situation? Uh huh.
Meanwhile the carrier has nothing to do with anything iPhone related other than carrier settings.
@phillaholic carriers have to “approve” updates; Google, Samsung, or whoever is your vendor can’t actually push an update because the carrier must sign it with their key. Was it Google’s fault for the vuln? Yeah. Was it AT&T’s fault for your update to take 1 week longer to roll out to you? Yeah.
You see that as the carrier waiting too long, I see it as Google having 90 days and waiting until the last minute. Regardless, Google allowing a third party to handle is a defective design.
This seems to be a US only issue. I’ve lived in several countries and my Android phone got updates direct from the OEM. Nothing at all to do with the carrier.
My old iPhone 7 (manufactured Sep 2016-2019) received a security update last month. Meanwhile, I bought a Samsung Android tablet new a few years ago only to find that the currently selling model wouldn’t upgrade to the current very of Android.
I’m not an iPhone user, but they have better long-term updates than the vast majority of other vendors. Five years of support, I don’t disagree with them wanting to push their newest device - they are a business and want to make money. Most features work except for things where there are hardware limitations.
Your example didn’t really make any sense, as you can use Apple One on iOS 14 or newer. So the oldest supported iPhone would be the 6s from 2015, which at the point iOS 14 came out was already 5 years old.
What happens when you try to use it? That’s very at odds with the documentation so I’d wonder if you’d need to log a support case with them or something.
I wish Apple hadn’t abandoned so many devices to rot on an old version for no good reason and then made their “One” service only work on the latest version as a blatant push to make people buy a new iDevice when the one they have would work just fine otherwise.
Literally what are you talking about besides the handful of gimmicks they restrict to new models?
They have phones that get consistent major updates for like 5-6 years. The 6S came out in 2015 and only stopped getting major updates like two years ago. And if you had iOS 12 on a phone you still got a security update this year. Which means the iPhone 5S, which came out in 2013, got an update a decade later. Not a single Android device I have ever owned has that unless I flash my own rom.
What he means is that typically after 5v years your iPhone won’t get a system update. Lets say you’re on iOS 10. Then next year Apple will tell all Devs that their apps may not longer support iOS 10 and below and all apps must use the ios 11 SDK.
Immediately all those folks stuck on iOS 10 cannot upgrade their apps and eventually they may stop functioning.
Whereas on the Android Play Store most apps require Android 5 and above. We’re about to get Android 14. That means that an 11 year old Android can still install the very latest apps and games.
if you bind the web browser to the system update you can have as long updates on Android as iOS. Considering how old devices get a washed down version of “updates” and everyone claiming that’s the holy grail of system support when google can push browser and security updates through Google Play Services. But keep repeating the only talking points you’ve ever known. You don’t have to wait for a system update for a browser vulnerability like a caveman on Google supported Android. And if Apple has to release the patch for the same vulnerability, it has to push a “system update”.
woo hoo, I had to use the Apple system update, Apple is the GOAT.
jeezus. 🤦♂️
Android by no means is perfect, is fragmented beyond control and Google is shit but these “consistent major updates” is apple fed bs. but you do you
Wow what a shit comment. It’s like you ignore things like API and feature updates across major releases that apps beyond the stock Apple ones get to take advantage of. Which again, are averaging 5 years of support.
Idgaf what OS someone uses. I love tech, I use a bit of everything. I fucking love Android and all the flexibility it gives me. Grow the fuck up.
Indeed this is a strength of Android and something most tech websites don’t understand: on iOS to get a bug fix the entire OS needs to be updated. On Android this is not the case. Google can just push out the update via the Play Store.
Security updates have to come from the vendor, which is exactly the same on iOS. Apple has to update the entire OS to issue a security update. Whereas on Android the OEM can just send out a small security fix
In both cases the OEM is the weak point because they need time to push it out. Whether ios or Android.
One nice thing on Android is that you don’t need to wait for an os update to add features to your device. You can just install an app.
For example, my LG V30 running Android 9 did not have gestures. So I downloaded an app called NG Gestures (needs an adb command for permission) and I had full gestures as if I were running Android 10 or higher.
Same thing with Dynamic Island. iPhone 14 user’s have to buy the iPhone 15 is they want dynamic island whereas on Android you can just install one of the many dynamic island apps and instantly have that functionality,. And that typically includes phones running Android 5 and higher.
And they do, quickly, and at worst it takes me 5 more minutes to reboot my phone. Meanwhile on the Pixel 6 Pro, my phone maybe couldn’t have called 911 for a week.
huh? my Pixel 6 update yesterday took 2 minutes
I was talking about iOS updates for things Apple doesn’t have de bundled from os updates. Since iOS updates are controlled by Apple and not carriers, it’s not similar to Android.
@phillaholic @ink if it takes a week for an update to get to you, you can blame your carrier for that. Google pushes updates very quickly to unlocked phones.
It’s a phone Google makes, with Software they make, a security vulnerability that Google discovered, which they alerted Google to 90 days before going public, a deadline they set, and I should blame AT&T for being responsible for this situation? Uh huh.
Meanwhile the carrier has nothing to do with anything iPhone related other than carrier settings.
@phillaholic carriers have to “approve” updates; Google, Samsung, or whoever is your vendor can’t actually push an update because the carrier must sign it with their key. Was it Google’s fault for the vuln? Yeah. Was it AT&T’s fault for your update to take 1 week longer to roll out to you? Yeah.
You see that as the carrier waiting too long, I see it as Google having 90 days and waiting until the last minute. Regardless, Google allowing a third party to handle is a defective design.
This seems to be a US only issue. I’ve lived in several countries and my Android phone got updates direct from the OEM. Nothing at all to do with the carrier.
My old iPhone 7 (manufactured Sep 2016-2019) received a security update last month. Meanwhile, I bought a Samsung Android tablet new a few years ago only to find that the currently selling model wouldn’t upgrade to the current very of Android.
I’m not an iPhone user, but they have better long-term updates than the vast majority of other vendors. Five years of support, I don’t disagree with them wanting to push their newest device - they are a business and want to make money. Most features work except for things where there are hardware limitations.
I gave an example that has absolutely nothing to do with hardware limitations.
Your example didn’t really make any sense, as you can use Apple One on iOS 14 or newer. So the oldest supported iPhone would be the 6s from 2015, which at the point iOS 14 came out was already 5 years old.
Tell that to my iPod Touch 7 on iOS 15 that refuses to then.
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What happens when you try to use it? That’s very at odds with the documentation so I’d wonder if you’d need to log a support case with them or something.
It claims to be unable to connect. Support is full of people with the same complaint, Apple doesn’t care to fix it.
Yep
It is a tough decision…. On one hand you screw older devices; relegated them to second tier status and leave them abandoned and at risk
On the other hand you have a more consistent install base and better support and the ability to drop older systems and their bugs.
Someone gets screwed either way
Yeah, but not the same amount or scope of “someone”, though.
You’re saying you either make several hundred million devices into ewaste overnight versus “had to wait for a bit for the latest update to propagate”.
Not the same scale of problem right there.