This meme is from 2004. History repeats itself.

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    If civilians are civilians…

    "Amongst Israelis, 69% of those killed were civilians and 31% members of the IDF. The number of Israeli civilians killed, from attacks by Palestinian armed groups or individuals, has declined steadily, peaking in 2002 at an average of 22 deaths per month, and dropping markedly to an average of one civilian per month in 2007. 6/

    In contrast to Israeli figures, however, Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month."

    https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/

    Both sides kill civilians with abandon, and Israel is markedly better at it. Major media doesn’t seem to care very much about Palestinian civilians though.

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      But it’s not because of a lack of trying. Israel has the iron dome. Since then the death’s declined. They protect the civilians, that’s why the deaths declined.

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        Fair, but the point is that there is no side here playing by the no civilians rule, yet only Palestinians are called out for it.

        The headline of the newest chapter in this shitshow for some reason is “How could Hamas attack Civilians?! Civilians?!” When the reality is that hasn’t really been a red line to the Israeli government or Hamas. Never has been.

        Its evil all day, don’t get me wrong. The twisted thing is that somehow Israel is somehow perpetually marketed as being the good guys playing by the rules of engagement in spite of being no different with regards to killing non-enemy combatants.

        Why are israeli civilian concert goers a global tragedy, while Palestinian civilian casualties past and present just another thursday? Why doesn’t the world lose its shit at 10 Palestinian civilians killed a month? Are Palestinians somehow universally recognized as having less value as human beings than Israelis?

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          Are Palestinians somehow universally recognized as having of less value as human beings than Israelis?

          Yes, at least among Western media and its consumers

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          “Animals, vermin, savages, beasts” are common terms used by Israel goverment officials, military and mainstream media when referring to Palestinians, they’re not even trying to use dogwhistles at this point.

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          Because the terrorists are specifically targeting civilians whereas Israel is targeting military targets that the terrorists put a bunch of human shields around

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            It is the exact opposite. Israel continuously brutalizes even Palestinian civilians in their own territories, without any military supporting them whatsoever.

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                  The one where specifically civilians are targets. The one that that uses hospitals and elementary schools and civilian apartments as rocket launch sites. The one that explicitly calls for the complete destruction of the other state in its charter. Need I go on?

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                    The one where specifically civilians are targets.

                    Ahh, so Israel then. I thought you meant Hamas.

                    The one that that uses hospitals and elementary schools and civilian apartments as rocket launch sites.

                    Hmmm that’s very highly specific of a definition, and still happens to be Israel.

                    The one that explicitly calls for the complete destruction of the other state in its charter.

                    Ok well I guess this one is Hamas alright. Not really terrorism to seek the downfall of an apartheid state.

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            This is the correct take. Hamas deliberately built their bunkers underneath schools and hospitals.

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              I’m sure the cutting of water and electricity to an entire population was something the Israelis were forced to do too…

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          Because it’s not that easy. billions a year go into Gaza as a humanitarian aid each year. So the world cares. The sad thing is, the 24h news cycle isn’t interested in a thing that happens regularly but at outlier. You also don’t get a report every time the iron dome successfully repelled an attack. The death of the people in Gaza is also „planned“ by Hamas to use as a tool to get support from the people and other Arab states, and to get footage to paint Israel as the most evil, to justify their dschihad

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        How is cutting water, electricity and bombing houses and hospitals “protecting the civilians”? Think a little bit please.

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        That’s a funny way to say “Israel has continued to fire at defenseless civilians”