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    History is written by the winners. And they decide what was a crime and what was self defense.

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    What a rubbish take on history.

    Pray tell, name ONE historical war criminal, one who basically everyone agrees was a war criminal. You know exactly who I’m alluding to. Everyone knows his name, and I literally don’t need to say more than this because everyone already knows who I’m talking about.

    Now, what was his skin colour?

    I can think of more counterexamples but I’d just be wasting my time at that point.

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        “War criminal” is not a term applied liberally to describe people who presided over bad things. It is a term defined by treaty in international law.

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            as a method of warfare

            A war or something resembling one must be fought in order for something to be a war crime. Otherwise, you could classify the Irish potato famine or the Holodomor as “war crimes” as well.

            Think seriously about whether the court would really accept this interpretation of the Rome Statute. Think long and hard about it, don’t just reply with whatever knee-jerk response you come up with in the first five seconds. Think of the possible defences and why they would succeed in addition to why you think they might fail. And before you attack its impartiality, consider the actual composition of the court and what type of countries criticise it in the first place.

            This is not to say those events I mentioned weren’t horrific, but the term “war crime” does not fit. You’d be better off arguing a case of genocide instead.

            History is nuanced and any attempt to fit it into a snappy five-second sound byte is necessarily not just a crude simplification, but an inaccurate one. History ain’t simple and nothing’s black and white.

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              the colonial occupation means a continuous state of war, so it makes it a war crime. maybe you should stop being a debatebro.

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                I would suggest you return to Lemmygrad where you’ll find more people who will share this definition of “war”. Everyone else seems to define it a little differently but you do you

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              You’d be better off arguing a case of genocide instead.

              You mean… that thing people who know better have been accusing Israel off since the very start?

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                Yes.

                I will say it flat out. I agree with the notion that the State of Israel is perpetrating genocide against Palestinians.

                Many Palestinians, if given the chance, would do the same against Israelis. There is so much hate going on against each other in that region. Nobody is in the clear right and nobody is blameless.

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                  Nobody is in the clear right and nobody is blameless.

                  No matter what anyone has done - it is Israel (and it’s western backers) that carries full responsibility for what occurs here. Period.

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                  if a state was perpetuating apartheid (a crime against humanity), ethnic cleansing, and a genocide against your people, where you have most likely personally known/were related to someone who was killed or severely injured by that state

                  don’t you think you’d be just a little bit teeny tiny little bit more radical?

                  also, do not equate colonizers to the colonized, one is there to displace and oppress, one is the indigenous population that was ethnically cleansed and massacred.

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                Exactly what I’m saying. And no, I don’t find it wrong at all to think this way. I’m sorry if you were angered or offended in some way by my previous comment.

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        Nope, just that Hitler is one notable counterexample. There are plenty more European war criminals.

        Don’t forget Hideki Tojo too. Not white, but still a light-skinned war criminal.

        Vladamir Putin is wanted for crimes against humanity right now. There is a warrant out for his arrest.

        And are we just allowing the current situation in Israel to slip our minds voluntarily?

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      Man these people are so lost in their stupid ideology lmao

      There’s a shit ton of white war criminals that everyone knows about. And literally every war criminal justifies their actions in some way, usually defense.