says the troll

says the troll

Ok, so you know you’re wrong

oh, the lies you tell yourself… how funny

Yes, you’re really smart and you’re crashing this online argument. Your logic is impeccable and your arguments are flawless. I give up, you win!

it’s sad this is the only way you can see the world. it explains your trolling.

Changing the subject now

why would I engage in a discussion with a troll, knowing full well you have no problem lying, twisting my words, and using very logical fallacy in the book?

I’m pretty sure you understand what we’re talking about here:

I’m pretty sure I see through your logical fallacies and am not buying your mental gymnastics to cover for them.

this isn’t about “winning” just because that’s how you see the world, although I would categorically say that you’ve lost. lost time, lost face, and certainly lost your mind if you think you’ve won anything here.

Or you’re not actually interested in the topic and are here only to do some light trolling?

says the troll, lmao

note the dates. it was forcibly annexed by a coup government

the facts don’t support your assertions. even if they did, it’s irrelevant because….

the later vote to join as a state took place well afterwards

just as I said and the facts I gave support. since 94% of people voted to become a state, no rational person would call it an “occupation”.

I’ve been under huge amounts of stress and have been mismanaged, but it never turned me into a grabass bully.

systemic issues like this don’t just come from nowhere. likewise, they didn’t just appear, either. nor will they simply disappear now that they’ve been exposed or with some glib promise to “do better”.

workplace atmospheres like this take time to develop and… fester. From what Madison described, it’s been this what from, at least, the time she started, which means these behaviors, these patterns, were existing, likely for some time.

What Linus knew, when, etc. may important in a civil case, but it’s not to me— He failed at his job, and didn’t ask for help/hire help to fix the problems until faaaar too late. If it was this bad for Madison, it had to be at least as bad if not worse for others before her who simply did not (or could not) speak out, as well as other who are still there.

Systemic issues do not affect only one person, and they don’t appear out of nowhere. Expect more bad news and expect that any resolution/fixes will take time and major change. If you don’t see any major changes over a reasonable amount of time, don’t trust claims that they’re “working on it."

You said “[a yes vote on Russia annexing Crimea] never happened.”

YOU said that. keep your words out of my mouth.

I showed that it did.

you know everyone can see your comments and my comments, right? that is very much not what happened, as anyone with eyeballs can see. I’m sorry that you’re having trouble seeing reality. consult a physician.

You responded with “We’re taking about Hawaii here.”

because we are, despite your attempts to change the subject. are you lost again?

Perhaps it was you that didn’t pay attention to the title in the first place?

see, I have proof, you have madboi rage you can’t process like a healthy person, so you direct it outwards at the person who pointed out - with evidence - that you’re wrong. classy.

now that two different people explained to you that “people who live there” clearly meant “natives”

you mean “moved the goalposts when they could win an argument and on facts”. lying now when there’s plenty f evidence here proving that you’re lying is a pretty bad way to try to convince someone of something.

Perhaps now that you’ve been explained what “occupation” means

I don’t need a bunch of angry trolls who can’ open their mouths without lies, rage, childish insults, and logical fallacies falling out to “explain” anything to me.

Uhhh https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/16/290525623/crimeans-vote-on-splitting-from-ukraine-to-join-russia

there’s moving the goalposts, then there’s moving them 55 years into the future and to the other side of the planet.

We’re taking about Hawaii here. you’re so lost and hate the US and “The West™®©” so much that you think this is one of your Ukaine/Russia arguments. WOW….

I see the comment I replied to, the context and words used, and how it was changed to suit an argument once the facts became inconvenient.

perhaps you should pay closer attention to the conversation before you jump in unprepared.

I see you have reading comprehension problems

more insults not based in fact. just because I don’t fall for your countless logical fallacies and outright lies - all of which I’ve posted out and explained in detail - doesn’t mean I have any problems reading or comprehending. you’re just mad I keep calling you out. hence the insults.

and if you can’t even win an augment against “children’s pictures”… well, that’s certainly a self-own, as far as I’m concerned.

Sounds like you’re talking about yourself there colonizer.

“I know you are but what am I?” is not a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

I’m just making a basic observation

you’re hurling insults because you’re mad, and can’t make an argument based on the facts. but keep trying to convince me you’re “entertained” while throwing name-calling tantrums, lmao

You’re the one reducing possibilities. Your dichotomy is between staying a territory and becoming a state

I never made this argument, but several others here did. in fact, I, several times, pointed out that there were other possibilities.

clearly you’re confused.

YOUR ARGUMENT is that the result of this referendum matters

The FACTS bear that out. you’re attacking me because I pointed that out.

It doesn’t because, as you’ve identified, both options are the same

I didn’t say that, you did. keep your words out of my mouth.

As for Hawaiian resistance, they’ve been fighting continuously for a hundred years and, like every other liberation movement against the USA, have been ruthlessly suppressed by the fascist police and petty-bourgeoise militia of the “middle class”.

relevant to the argument, and a

you guys are addicted to logical fallacies

And, like every other liberation struggle, victory is inevitable as the empire continues to crumble beneath the weight of its sins.

cute story. also irrelevant

Also, neat how you’ve got five devoted followers upvoting you within two minutes on every one of your shitty empire-shilling posts for the last several hours

jealousy is an ugly look

So you don’t have an argument and have to make shit up.

“I know you are but what am I?” is not a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

Judging by your other responses in the thread, you’re a shill trying to astroturf support for the U.S., so Imma block you 💅

nah, just argue the facts, which I provide. you don’t like it and hurl childish insults in response. blocking me is doing ME a favor. bye!

The discussion is about US OCCUPYING Hawaii

WRONG. you changed the subject to a straw man argument when you couldn’t argue the facts in good faith. Right here:

going by your comment history, logical fallacies are something you’re an expert at wielding and often get comments removed and your account banned for it (and or your habit of throwing insult-ridden tantrums when your bad-faith tactics fail)

The fact that you don’t understand how idiotic your argument is shows what an utter imbecile you are.

oh, look, more childish name-calling because you can’t argue in good faith based on the facts, and I’m some idiot who will fall fr your little tricks.

If voting “yes” on a referendum to be annexed

inventing some history again are you? because this never happened. if you have to stoop this low to try to “score points” how much lower will you stoop?

your lack of ability to imagine another option (such as revolt, etc.) does not mean you “win” the argument. it just means you lose because you lack imagination.

sigh…

Should I kill you with my sword or with my gun?

Sorry, “I want to live” was not an option on the ballot

Alright I tried doing this on your terms, peace

if that were true, you would have argued honestly, with the facts, and in good faith. I have demonstrated, many, many time, how you have not. again, you lie to comfort yourself against facts you refuse to accept.

best of luck with that.