I’m in the process of switching my machines to Linux Mint from Windows and on my network drive I have a bunch of folders that are sorted with the help of preceding underscores (like this “__folder1” “___folder2”)) so that folders appear in a specific order.

When my Mint machines access the drive they sort by the first letter skipping the underscores and I’d really like to have that functionality back rather than having to rename a bunch of folders to try to sort them again. (I’d like to avoid a preceding ‘A’ workaround if possible as there’s a bunch of folders)

Any suggestions? A setting I’m missing (very likely) or something?

Edit: The more I look the more it looks like I’m going to have to make a custom locale to be able to get the sorting I want from the default Mint file manager.

  • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
    2·
    7 months ago

    Are you using Caja file manager? If there’s no setting, it could be that the authors of that file manager just wanted it that way. You can try other file managers like thunar and see if they are different?

    • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
      31·
      7 months ago

      The default file manager on Mint in Nemo

      But I’ll do some more trawling in the settings and look into a new file manager if I can’t find a setting for it

        • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
          5·
          7 months ago

          add export LC_COLLATE=C to your “~/.profile”, log off, log back on.

          I’m not sure if this is a good idea to add it to .profile, which would affect every Bash session and program. Global variable like these should be set for the applications you want to affect and not more to avoid side effects, if possible.

          • Papamousse@beehaw.org
            3·
            7 months ago

            yup, my ll alias is like this for yyyeeaaarrrrsssss because of this

            alias ll='LC_COLLATE=C ls -alFh'
        • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
          3·
          7 months ago

          It’s kinda worked

          Now the underscores appear between uppercase names and lowercase names

          So it’s a step in the right direction for me for sure now that they’re at least bunched together

          • s38b35M5@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            7 months ago

            Not a fix, but a workaround I use when symbols and punctuation are treated this way: I use lowercase letters to precede folder names to get the sort I want.

            aFolder1
            bFolder2

            Not elegant, but it works in your case. You could also try other file managers, like Thunar to see if they manage sorting differently

            • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
              2·
              7 months ago

              Honestly I think I’m just going to have to go through and rename the folders as faffing about with locales isn’t my idea of fun lol

              I was going to install Dolphin file manager (which has a sort option that does it the way Windows does) until I saw a known bug of “sometimes crashes without error and just loses the files you were moving” which is an absolute deal breaker for me. I do photography as one of my hobbies and I’d lose my shit if I lost the pictures I took in the process of making backups.

              • s38b35M5@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                7 months ago

                Yeah, that sounds like a better long-term solution for you. Once you change your workflow, you shouldn’t have to do it again anyway!

                • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  Plus I wouldn’t have to worry about the issue again on other distros

                  It’s just going to really really suck renaming all those folders

                  • s38b35M5@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    2·
                    7 months ago

                    If you dare, you can automated it with some simple scripting. If I had more than 20 or 30, I’d probably go that route.

          • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
            21·
            7 months ago

            That’s exactly what the last 2 comments from the previously linked issue thread is saying too. According to a comment from Stack Overflow, the LC_COLLATE=C environmental variable setting is dependent on the system locale, which will

            This is likely caused by a difference in locale. In the en_US.UTF-8 locale, underscores (_) sort after letters and numbers, whereas in the POSIX C locale they sort after uppercase letters and numbers, but before lowercase letters.

            -- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1184268/unix-sort-treatment-of-underscore-character

            So either way, this setting is wrong for your use case. And it shouldn’t be set in .profile all applications by default as well, unless you know what you are doing. You can use this variable with specific applications only too. But as explained, this would not solve your issue anyway.