After decades of attempts to develop new birth control medications for men, scientists are more hopeful than ever. With new abortion restrictions, demand is growing, experts say.

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    rubbed a clear gel on his shoulders, waited for it to dry, then went about his day as usual

    Blimey that’s a surprise innit. His shoulders??

    • nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works
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      I must be doing it wrong

      Edit: “In this issue of Cosmo: Ladies, Your Man’s Biggest Erogenous Zones are Actually His Shoulders”

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      I mean it’s not that much of a surprise, it’s called a reproductive system for a reason. At least, it makes about as much sense as taking a pill by mouth to affect the functions of the uterus.

      Same reason the birth control patch for women can be placed anywhere, below the belt just being the easiest to conceal (though too close to the groin has been known to cause cramping).

      It’s like how some people load a dishwasher, it doesn’t really matter where you put stuff cause the hormones just go all over in there.

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    I mean this is just “sperm suppression”, of course it lowers the risk of pregnancy considerably, but not 100%. I’ll still get my tubes snipped at this point. As a guy you simply don’t have a lot of options if you want to be safe. Condoms and vasectomy, that’s it. And condoms can fail too if you’re unlucky.

    As soon as the girl is pregnant all you can do is pray she doesn’t decide to keep the kid :-/

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      I got a vasectomy and it was crazy easy. Had a meeting with my doc just so he could make sure I knew it was permanent, I asked if I could have something extra for the pain and dude was like “I can give you vallium is that alright?” Showed up day of, took like 30 mins and didn’t feel a thing. Only thing was the smell of burning flesh was a little much but that was literally it.

      My partner wants some form of permanent BC herself but literally no doctor will allow it.

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      RISUG works by an injection into the vas deferens, the vessel through which the sperm moves before ejaculation. RISUG is similar to vasectomy in that a local anesthetic is administered, an incision is made in the scrotum, and the vasa deferentia are injected with a polymer gel (rather than being cut and cauterized). In a matter of minutes, the injection coats the walls of the vasa with a clear gel made of 60 mg of the copolymer styrene/maleic anhydride (SMA) with 120 μL of the solvent dimethyl sulfoxide. The copolymer is made by irradiation of the two monomers with a dose of 0.2 to 0.24 megarad for every 40 g of copolymer and a dose rate of 30 to 40 rad/s. The source of irradiation is cobalt-60 gamma radiation.

      Sounds simple and fun lmao

      Also I’m reading it’s irreversible. Why wouldn’t you just get a vasectomy instead of injecting your junk with styrene and exposing it to radiation?

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        I’ve never heard that before. The only thing I knew was that it didn’t get much traction in India because men weren’t interested. If you have an article or something, I’d be interested in reading about it. RISUG is in some sort of testing in USA right now under the name Vasalgel, but as far as I know it’s the same thing

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        No. Late at night, in bed, long day, curious but not overly committed to finding out, and I don’t want the bright white of Firefox loading in boost on my phone.

        Accept that people are lazy, and stop moralizing when they lazily ask for specifics about new science. Not everyone is having your day or has your commitment.

        It’s a community, so I didn’t have to this time… And I’m still not interested enough to verify your answers.

        Thank you.

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    Why do they always use the phrase “safe and effective”. Almost as if they are programming people by repeating the same phrase everywhere…

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      Nah, it’s almost as if proving a treatment is “safe and effective” is the entire purpose of a phase ii clinical trial.

      If you want pharmaceutical conspiracies to chase, follow the money. The point at which they are trying to “program” you is when the drug hits the market and commercials come out. It’s not that these products are ineffective at this point, just that they will do just about anything to capitalize on them.

      Pharmaceutical companies are by no means clean and trustworthy, but your conspiracy is literally just a description of marketing and advertising, which I agree is a plague upon our society.

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      There are things that are safe but not effective.

      There are things that are effective but not safe.

      There are things that are neither safe nor effective.

      For example: There was some drug to stop morning sickness (im lazy and not going to look up the drug’s name) that was really effective but absolutely turned out to not be safe as it caused all sorts of birth defects in the developing fetus.

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    We’re going to trust men with an invisible daily birth control? I don’t think so.

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      As with any invisible or otherwise difficult to monitor birth control method, this is really only for people in dedicated relationships.

      It goes both ways. A man shouldn’t trust a women he just met to be on birth control. A women should have the same reservations.

      This is for people who can trust a long term partner, and who wouldn’t be destroyed by the failure of the product. And that’s still a huge market.

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          Why not delete the comment and respond to the right person? Not that you should at this point, but it would have taken less time than explaining it in an edit so I’m curious

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            I would guess because people get a notification with the comment. If that then gets deleted without explanation then you leave someone confused.

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      I’ve several ex girlfriends who fuck up taking their daily birth control and needed plan b… IDK why men would be worse tho, please explain?

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        They knew they missed it, chose to have sex anyway, and took steps to prevent pregnancy. You probably saw that plan b is not really fun and not something you want to do often. That’s different than someone not telling you they’re inconsistent with the med or telling you afterwards.

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          Biases and more biases. More way to prevent pregnacy is good and a male one(finally) is even better. No one is forcing you to stop using yours? Why are shitting on extra protection?

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          My ex gfs also did the same, also told me to cum inside. Fucking horny 19 year olds girls were crazy. Well even when we got older they still be thirsty for that jizz

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      Such a weird argument. Look beyond that one use case.

      In my case, I, a male, don’t want kids. I would get this. I’d still use condoms, because STDs. But in the event that they don’t work (because it can happen), at least I know that I won’t get anyone accidentally pregnant. It’s great!

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        it’s not an argument. it’s a belief

        women = good, men = bad.

        it’s a cultural bias called ‘women are wonderful’ effect. we are culturally biased to think men are bad and women are good.

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          It’s a protective response. People don’t generally do what is good for you unless it’s also good for them, especially at a time when ‘emotions’ are running hot.

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            Sooo you would say that “man wants to get woman pregnant and lies about it” is somehow more likely than “woman wants to get pregnant and lies about it”?

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              Man wants to get laid and no condom is pretty common. Woman wants to get secretly pregnant happens.

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                No, both happen equally often. It’s not “men want to make everyone pregnant and women are saints”.

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                  Men want to have sex at the same frequency that women want to get pregnant? I’m pretty sure that’s not accurate.

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      It’s for relationships. if you’re with a new partner use condoms.

      This is why Grindr has a Stat for when you were last tested. Straight dating platforms should have it too imo

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        If you‘re sleeping around it’s a good thing, in addition to condoms. Condoms do fail sometimes. The probability of a condom and hormonal birth control failing at the same time is much lower

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        You can walk away. What if this were a medication that prevented HIV? Would you trust someone else without protecting yourself?

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            And it’s awesome how well prep works! If you were not on it and met someone who told you they were, would you trust them and risk it?

    • Scratch@sh.itjust.works
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      I understand the upvotes, but I also understand the downvotes.

      Boys are, in general, dumb. But some are malicious.

      Be careful out there.

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          You’re right, but this ignores the disparity of risk that’s associated between sexes when it comes to birth control. Males don’t get pregnant.