The $15 minimum failed in the senate 42-58, 40 Dem + 2 Inde voted yay, in March 2021
AFAIK, nothing passed the house for sub-minimum wages
Ensuring everyone has strong benefits might be difficult when they’re barely holding Republicans back from stripping Medicare and Social Security. They’re at least holding the line.
How many democrats in the senate?
I’m not American just trying to understand if any voted no or it was all republicans.
47 at the moment but there’s 2 independents (Bernie Sanders and Angus King) that caucus with the Dems, and 2 more that are “aligned” with the Dems (Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin). So currently 51ish.
But at the time of that vote it was 50ish but Manchin and Sinema were officially part of the party then. If a vote is a tie, the VP (Kamala Harris) gets to vote. So it needed 50 votes to pass.
Here’s an article on the eight Dems that voted against it: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541860-the-eight-democrats-who-voted-no-on-15-minimum-wage/
Note that Manchin and Sinema voted against it and have left the party since then. This is largely because of them voting against this and similar legislation created a general disdain for them within the party. They won’t be back after the next election.
All 50 republicans voted against it.
Remember to vote blue no matter who!
That’s how Sinema got elected…
And she’s out of the Democratic party now.
The seat belongs to the individual on the ballot, it doesn’t belong to the party. That means someone holding a seat can go against their party which is generally good as it prevents the party from having too much power. But the downside is when you get a lunatic in a seat and all you can do is get rid of them in the next election.
Which is what’s happening. Sinema was going to be challenged in the primary and likely to lose. She decided to go independent, but last I heard, after seeing her polling numbers she’s dropped out completely.
As I said elsewhere, the Democratic Party is the 42/50 party while the GOP is the 0/50 party. You probably shouldn’t vote for a party no matter who’s elected, but even if you took this naive approach, the Dems might potentially become a 50/57 party. The GOP will always be the 0/50 party.
Ideally you’d check the platforms of every candidate at the primary stage through to the general and vote accordingly. If most people did that the Dems could be a 50/50 party.
But most people aren’t that involved politically. Blue no matter know, while isn’t ideal, is still better than voting GOP or not voting at all.
It’s a choice between the 42/50 party or the 0/50 party.
And people vote for Republicans? Are they retarded?
Yes. The GOP only survives because of poor education.
It really is sad to see the same crowd talking about how great things were back then, and suck now, when they’ve spent the last four decades voting in the people who have spent the same time diminishing public education’s effectiveness. My parents are some of those voters…
B-but it’s the Democrat’s fault!
Says the people who
a) Are secretly Republicans trying to act like insecure Democrats
b) Try to find any reason to blame Biden, even if it’s adjacent blame
c) All the above
Banned from the news communities so they take their propaganda to other ones where people might not know them. A majority of people don’t like Biden, he’s hit an all time low in popularity. You on the other hand have an anti Biden agenda. Hopefully mods of other communities catch on. Tired of calling out this bs in every thread.
Which rule are they breaking or just want being anti Biden to be against the rules?
News and politics made a new rule that it’s fine to post negative articles, but when it’s all you post about one politician multiple times a day they consider it propaganda and pushing an agenda. The mod team has a better explanation than me but that’s the basic gist
It’s literally a tweet about Biden’s campaign promises from Biden himself.
Biden isn’t a king. Again I am not a fan of him either but let’s not pretend that he can just snap his fingers and make these things happen. He’ll need support of the house and senate, which we know isn’t likely. I don’t see any critical posts about the voting system in America from you which would actually allow you to vote for someone you liked. It’s just anti Biden.
Not sure it’s just anti-Biden but people do need to understand on matters like this, they need to mentally apply an asterisk that says “subject to approval by Congress.”
You know I used to feel this way too about that user. But when you start looking at their posts, you’ll notice they just post a shit ton of stuff all over the place. I think it’s less targeted than you think it is. The vast majority of their posts are innocuous and just plain news based.
If they have a bias, well so do most of us. If they’re using absurd sources that’d be one thing I guess, they’re not however. They’re mostly posting mainstream news articles or direct Tweets in this case. That’s not against the rules. If you don’t like what they’re posting just downvote it and move on.
I just always thought the upvote and downvote buttons sorted posts out. There’s been a few very vocal users on here that really hate whenever I post any news that’s critical of the Biden administration. I’ve received DM death threats over the posts. I just don’t understand it because all anyone that posts does is just paste a URL and post it. It’s not like I wrote the articles.
It’s very weird to want strong benefits from your employer and not simply as a separate thing. Maybe that’s not what he meant but the way it’s listed is vague.
Systems like that are very hard to change for some reason, so it can be impossible for one politician to rewrite the whole system. It’s a lot easier to modify the system slightly so people can get closer to the bare minimum when total reform is off the table.
The reason is money.
The reason is limited time and attention
I can’t live on $15/hr. I’m barely scraping by at $18. Minimum wage now needs to be closer to $25-30/hr.
I’m 38. Make 29/hr. I’m fortunate enough to own my home, well rather renting from my bank for the next 16 years. Anyways, I’m barley getting by as well. Between my car payment and the mortgage it’s nearly impossible to get by as a single income household. I can’t even imagine how bad it would be if I had kids.
It’s to the point where I’d consider dating someone just to cut the bills in half.
Lol… not seriously, but definitely maybe
Poly lifestyles are gonna get more common, since soon you’ll need three incomes just to survive!
You should consider it. If I didn’t have a girlfriend, I would be homeless cause nothing is affordable at $18/hr when you’re alone.
Don’t get me wrong my guy, I’m trying. Dating apps are tge worst. I go through cycles of meeting someone on apps, dating them for a year then they dip out. I’m not so niave to understand that I need to work on myself so I can eventually be a good partner to someone, and I’m doing just that. Therapy yoga meditation etc. However, unfortunately I fear the only way to meet a genuine partner is to meet them while emerging myself in my interests and meeting someone while doing so. However it’s tough out here
Not trying to sound conceded but I’m handsome and have no problem finding dates, but I’m tired of one nighters. I know the issue of me not being able to settle down with someone lies within me. I’m working on it and hopefully I’ll rope in my forever partner someday soon
that sub-minimum wage really hurts right about now
This will be unpopular:
Before or at the same time as we fix sub-minimum wage, we need to also address the disability benefits cliff. I personally know multiple disabled people that limit how much they are working so that they don’t hit the cutoff where all the benefits disappear, not tail off. Generally these people enjoy their work and are capable of working more, but if they earn a dollar too much, they are screwed, loosing access to a number of subsidies and medical care.
I recently read an article describing how when disabled people have too much in their savings accounts or try to pay off outstanding debts, they are ordered to repay years worth of benefits. We can fix this! Peer-reviewed study after per-reviewed study (in theory and practice) has shown it costs less to just do the right things and look after each other (whether we think it’s deserved/earned/insert other term here) or not. We can fix it. It’s a matter of rolling up our sleeves and consistently apply pressure in proper spaces.
Direct action, mutual aid in the meantime. For everyone.
Another thread trying to encourage not voting/voting Republican.
Today I Learned that official statements and campaign promises from Biden are in fact now Republican propaganda. My favorite one is when Republicans made Biden said he would fight for abortion rights and queer protections.
Like mate, is calling out “Hey they didn’t even push for this once in office to the same political party” propaganda? Or is it just going “Don’t believe everything you hear from a politician, even with they are the lowest bar of ‘Not Dipshit Trump’”?
we can push him left once he wins
He won 4 years ago this is pushing him left after he won.
Still vote, but keep pushing him to do what he promised.
This is why POTUS elections are less important than congressional elections. They make the laws and they hold the checkbook. But fewer and fewer seem to understand that. And assume that the POTUS can just dictate those types of policy at their whim.
You want domestic change? You want free healthcare? Cheap education? Better infrastructure? A better judicial system?
Then vote for the people running for the institutions that can actually can make those things happen, and that ain’t supposed to be the POTUS. But evidently many, (majority?), of people can be all that arsed to bother much about the ‘Downstream’ elections.
Looks like it would be a good idea to reelecte him and give him a Democratic senate and house in 2024
and give him a Democratic senate and house in 2024
He had that in 2020 and it still didn’t pass.
There’s always some obstacle that prevents the Democrats from delivering what they promise.
There’s always some obstacle that prevents the Democrats from delivering what they promise.
I mean, it’s just so weird, isn’t it? Like how it keeps happening every. single. time. Oh well, maybe if we try getting the Dems a majority, plus the Presidency, one more time we’ll get a different result. That’s a totally sane course of action, right?
vote for trump. get what you deserve.
I’m not gonna waste my time reading a screenshot of someone else’s conversation like it’s an actual argument.
convenient. also I guess reading is hard for some folks.
I read enough to recognize a bullshit strawman argument. At least don’t be so lazy you’re unwilling to type it out yourself.
shut up and vote for trump already
Barely. Manchin and Sinema kept torpedoing just about any legislation that would have been actually beneficial. Though with this specific topic it appears that eight Democrats voted against it, which is still far fewer than the number of Republicans that voted against it.
That’s not to say I’m some Democrat apologist or shill, I have so many problems with the party, but for issues like these it seems like they are the lesser of two evils and if their majority margins could increase it would likely have an effect on issues like these.
and if their majority margins could increase it would likely have an effect on issues like these.
If their majority margins increased, they’d find new excuses to not pass it.
The trend would suggest otherwise, but only one way to find out. Let’s get a higher majority in there to prove me wrong!
When Obama had the supermajority for a brief time in 2008 (70ish days IIRC) we got the ACA. It was watered down a little but but it still helps a lot of people.
Yarp, and if memory serves it was watered down because he and the Dems were attempting to engage with the Republicans in good faith and after the Dems made the concessions the Republicans asked for they still voted against it.
He had that in 2020 and it still didn’t pass.
… except he didn’t have that in 2020… which is why it didn’t pass… what lmfao?
He did. Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate in 2020.
The bill failed to pass because a bunch of Democrats voted against it.
From the first paragraph of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_elections :
Despite losing seats in the House of Representatives, Democrats retained control of the House and gained control of the Senate. As a result, the Democrats obtained a government trifecta, the first time since the elections in 2008 that the party gained unified control of Congress and the presidency.
… And two independents torpedoed it because they ran as Democrats despite being from essentially Republican areas with one being a giant lying sack of mega shit know as Sinema.
If you didn’t pass legislation, then you didn’t control the government. This is not a hard concept to understand. It’s one of the very few black and white ones since there is only a binary outcome lol.
And two independents torpedoed it
As well as eight other Democrats who voted against it.
Don’t worry he’ll make an executive order for this soon which will go into effect next year.
Can’t do much if the majority rule is blocking all of that.
He should be getting in front of a camera every day and saying “here’s what we’re trying to do. Here’s why it helps you/society. And here are the assholes standing in the way”. And if those assholes are Democrats, kick them out of the party and support a better candidate to run against them.
Yes! This is what strong leadership looks like. We haven’t seen it from POTUS in far too long.
It wouldn’t matter. It wouldn’t get coverage in half the media in the country. And most people don’t even watch the media, anyway. It’ll be bullshit stories and anti-liberal memes as per usual.
You can stop promising things you don’t have control over.
Don’t make promises you can’t keep. Especially, if people will take you up on these promises.
I’m very confused. The president can’t know the composition of Congress during the campaign because all of the Reps are on the same ballot as the president. Are you saying prospective candidates should always say “If I’m elected and we have the house and Senate I will…” to cover their asses? I think most people understand those ramifications.
I think “most” people do NOT understand those ramifications. Maybe 33% of the population does, 33% think and want the president to be a dictator, and 34% don’t pay attention to anything at all.
Failure to pay attention in civics class cannot possibly be the fault of a presidential candidate.
Also, presidents and presidential candidates do a ton of campaigning for both their own candidacy as well as for down ballot candidates in an effort to achieve these things. They’re only advertising their intentions and priorities. That’s your it has worked since the beginning of American democracy
Yeah but making promises abojt things you’ll do as President, that you can’t do as President, is the fault of a Presidential candidate.
