Nope, personal opinion. It makes sense to me that for-profit prison systems would lobby to make homelessness a crime, to gather more workers, and to get more money from the government. I don’t have a source that says “Yes, this is the reason why.” but you can follow the money and make your own opinions from there.
Of course, I don’t see why you’re getting downvoted so hard. I think that asking people to back things up with sources should be standard practice.
In this case, I don’t have concrete proof, but I let you know that it’s an opinion influenced by certain facts, like private prisons generating profits and them using lobbists to further their interests.
Some people, however, make wild claims or assumptions that they’re pushing as pure facts, but can’t produce any kind of verifiable source.
Some people are saying they don’t want to do your homework for you, and just to google it. To be fair, that’s all I did to get those links. But their thinking is backwards. The one who makes the claim has the burden of proof, not everyone else.
If someone makes a claim, but can’t support it at all, it can be disregarded. But if someone makes a claim, and provides proof, and someone else is able to provide proof contrary to that point, now we have a debate. More proof and evidence will be required to see who is correct.
Otherwise we end up with people just firing off unverified claims, backed up with ad hominem and defended with strawmen and slippery slopes.
So keep asking people for proof and sources, more people need to be checked on their shit.
a) go get your own sources I just met you I’m not taking homework assignments from you
b) the primary argument is philosophical anyway; it should be illegal for a wider society to profit off of incarcerated people. They can be made to care for their own space, grow their own food, sew their own clothes, whatever, but the moment you allow them to make license plates for the rest of us, grow food for the rest of us, or clean up after the rest of us, that’s slavery, it’s wrong, and it doesn’t belong in a free country.
And no, I have no further interest in continuing to argue with someone who the most they can coherently manage to contribute is “source plz” especially when there has been a huge body of media made already on the United States Prison-Industrial complex to the point that Netflix made it into a fucking soap opera. Go look it up on duckduckgo it would’ve taken you less time and effort than making this comment.
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re absolutely right. The only valid argument against your comment is that you’re being a bit of an ass, but even that doesn’t make you wrong. If a person can’t handle a tiny bit of assholery, then they shouldn’t be on the internet.
I’ve no patience for sealioning. Also the incarcerated have been one of my all-time favorite patient populations to work with. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty of pedos and other unsavory types, but there’s also a lot of just relatively normal decent people who just got steamrolled by the society we live in, and a lot of it does come down to housing like in the OP article. Their creativity also continually inspires me (even when they’re mostly getting up to no good, but if you can’t at least step back and appreciate the ingenuity of some of this shit you’d never cope otherwise). I had to stop working with that population even though I love them so much because I couldn’t stand watching them get abused. That broke me.
A subtle form of trolling involving “bad-faith” questions. You disingenuously frame your conversation as a sincere request to be enlightened, placing the burden of educating you entirely on the other party. If your bait is successful, the other party may engage, painstakingly laying out their logic and evidence in the false hope of helping someone learn. In fact you are attempting to harass or waste the time of the other party, and have no intention of truly entertaining their point of view. Instead, you react to each piece of information by misinterpreting it or requesting further clarification, ad nauseum. The name “sea-lioning” comes from a Wondermark comic strip.
I think the term is silly and there should be a better one for this concept, but lacking a better one I guess this will do. I’m sharing my learning so that others may learn from my experience.
also, now I fucking hate sealions, and I’m not happy about it. They used to be fucking cute.
Maybe if I asked for a source rudely, people would have taken my request legitimately instead of assuming “sealioning”. Can’t win, never mind being polite.
It’s sad that (judging from this comment thread) people seem to agree that it’s ok to make unsubstantiated claims and get pissy when you challenge them. Oh jeez I wonder why a US president can get away with spouting nonsense all the time.
In the city where I grew up in Canada, it was illegal to sleep on the streets. The punishment was a single night in a holding cell with no record.
This way, on cold nights, police would forcibly give people a warm meal and a place to sleep - there was a real danger of those folks freezing. The system worked most of the time, but if course, it really inconvenienced the purple who just want to be left alone.
There were shelters throughout the city, but many chose not to go or marry have been in the wrong part of town. This way, police could forcibly take you away from the dangerous cold even against your wishes.
It was a problem with a particular homeless family that lived under a bridge, they fought to stay in their camp and it created a big discussion surrounding the issue
So whats the punishment a fine? Prison time where u use tax payer money to give them a bed and food?
The purpose is to push people into the for-profit prison system, which rakes in billions in slave labor.
Can you please provide a source for this
Nope, personal opinion. It makes sense to me that for-profit prison systems would lobby to make homelessness a crime, to gather more workers, and to get more money from the government. I don’t have a source that says “Yes, this is the reason why.” but you can follow the money and make your own opinions from there.
Thank you (sincerely) for going half-way. I did not know that prisons make money.
Of course, I don’t see why you’re getting downvoted so hard. I think that asking people to back things up with sources should be standard practice.
In this case, I don’t have concrete proof, but I let you know that it’s an opinion influenced by certain facts, like private prisons generating profits and them using lobbists to further their interests.
Some people, however, make wild claims or assumptions that they’re pushing as pure facts, but can’t produce any kind of verifiable source.
Some people are saying they don’t want to do your homework for you, and just to google it. To be fair, that’s all I did to get those links. But their thinking is backwards. The one who makes the claim has the burden of proof, not everyone else.
If someone makes a claim, but can’t support it at all, it can be disregarded. But if someone makes a claim, and provides proof, and someone else is able to provide proof contrary to that point, now we have a debate. More proof and evidence will be required to see who is correct.
Otherwise we end up with people just firing off unverified claims, backed up with ad hominem and defended with strawmen and slippery slopes.
So keep asking people for proof and sources, more people need to be checked on their shit.
a) go get your own sources I just met you I’m not taking homework assignments from you
b) the primary argument is philosophical anyway; it should be illegal for a wider society to profit off of incarcerated people. They can be made to care for their own space, grow their own food, sew their own clothes, whatever, but the moment you allow them to make license plates for the rest of us, grow food for the rest of us, or clean up after the rest of us, that’s slavery, it’s wrong, and it doesn’t belong in a free country.
And no, I have no further interest in continuing to argue with someone who the most they can coherently manage to contribute is “source plz” especially when there has been a huge body of media made already on the United States Prison-Industrial complex to the point that Netflix made it into a fucking soap opera. Go look it up on duckduckgo it would’ve taken you less time and effort than making this comment.
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re absolutely right. The only valid argument against your comment is that you’re being a bit of an ass, but even that doesn’t make you wrong. If a person can’t handle a tiny bit of assholery, then they shouldn’t be on the internet.
I’ve no patience for sealioning. Also the incarcerated have been one of my all-time favorite patient populations to work with. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty of pedos and other unsavory types, but there’s also a lot of just relatively normal decent people who just got steamrolled by the society we live in, and a lot of it does come down to housing like in the OP article. Their creativity also continually inspires me (even when they’re mostly getting up to no good, but if you can’t at least step back and appreciate the ingenuity of some of this shit you’d never cope otherwise). I had to stop working with that population even though I love them so much because I couldn’t stand watching them get abused. That broke me.
I’m asking for a source that prisons rake on billions, you assholes. I did not know that, and thought that prisons were a net loss.
I didn’t know what sealioning is, so I looked it up on urban dictionary.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sealioning
I think the term is silly and there should be a better one for this concept, but lacking a better one I guess this will do. I’m sharing my learning so that others may learn from my experience.
also, now I fucking hate sealions, and I’m not happy about it. They used to be fucking cute.
The term comes from a webcomic, I doubt real sea lions act like this.
Now that I’ve seen the context, I really hate sealions, and I’m no longer sad about it.
fuck sealions, and I’m glad I now have a word for some shitty behavior that has annoyed me to no end for years.
It’s the responsibility of the person who makes a claim to substantiate it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=prison+industrial+complex&ia=web
I wasn’t the one asking for a source. [email protected] was. But just for the record, a search engine isn’t a source. These clips would’ve been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjqaNQ018zU
Maybe if I asked for a source rudely, people would have taken my request legitimately instead of assuming “sealioning”. Can’t win, never mind being polite.
It’s sad that (judging from this comment thread) people seem to agree that it’s ok to make unsubstantiated claims and get pissy when you challenge them. Oh jeez I wonder why a US president can get away with spouting nonsense all the time.
In the city where I grew up in Canada, it was illegal to sleep on the streets. The punishment was a single night in a holding cell with no record.
This way, on cold nights, police would forcibly give people a warm meal and a place to sleep - there was a real danger of those folks freezing. The system worked most of the time, but if course, it really inconvenienced the purple who just want to be left alone.
Why not just fund high quality shelters
There were shelters throughout the city, but many chose not to go or marry have been in the wrong part of town. This way, police could forcibly take you away from the dangerous cold even against your wishes.
It was a problem with a particular homeless family that lived under a bridge, they fought to stay in their camp and it created a big discussion surrounding the issue
It’s not cruel enough to provide sufficient fear to the lower classes.
But we all know that in America, that’s sadly not gonna happen.
Does happen