I know this isn’t the point of the comic, but the barista isn’t just handing you a cup of coffee. They’re brewing it and making specialty drinks too.
The not-tipping argument really only works if you’re ordering a black coffee, but if you’re getting black coffee from Starbucks, you’re already paying way more than you should, so just tip.
Coffee makers are hella cheap if black coffee is all you want.
The not-tipping argument really only works if you’re ordering a black coffee
Why? It’s their job to make coffee. The company should pay them enough to not have to beg for additional money on top of the compensation they already receive. This is the way it works in other parts of the world.
Agree. In the US the tipping culture has gotten out of hand. Tipping is meant to cover situations where it’s legal to pay your staff under minimum wage and thus tipping evens that out (I still hate it but that’s the current law). I only tip in those industries, or industries where the person providing the service is self-employed/subcontracting in most situations (salons, spas, etc), or where the service is above and beyond or very specialized. Otherwise, it only encourages a culture where it’s expected that the consumer subsidize wages.
I do understand that tipping gives more $ in the pocket of lower wage workers, but I feel too strongly that it will lead to an eventual shift of tipping for ANY service I the long run and I cannot encourage that. I own a small business and I pay my employees very well. It is the responsibility of the employer to do this not the consumer/customer/client.
Again, if you are concerned about money, you can get cheap coffee at home. If you want someone to make it for you, you should understand the actual cost in US capitalistic society.
Until the company pays a living wage, buying coffee without tipping is agreeing that the business paying less than a living wage is acceptable.
In the meantime though, protesting the current system by not tipping directly harms the person who is doing work you could have easily done at home yourself.
I agree that we should have livable wages as the minimum wage, but your anger is misplaced. I’m mad at the government, and have solidarity with my fellow working-class citizens. If I can’t afford to tip somewhere, I can’t afford to be a patron there, and THAT directly impacts the company instead of the workers.
and have solidarity with my fellow working-class citizens. If I can’t afford to tip somewhere, I can’t afford to be a patron there, and THAT directly impacts the company instead of the workers.
Guess I’ll starve 🤷
I get what you’re trying to say. But it is unfair to expect everyone to give a tip. Everything is incredibly expensive already. Expecting people to give a tip on top of it is just not going to happen.
If you go there daily and can easily afford it, then go ahead. But expecting everyone to tip severely limits peoples ability to get anything outside a supermarket.
But if everyone did it, people wouldn’t be able to afford to work there. There would be no staff and the business would be forced to increase their pay to retain labour, or shut their doors.
“Having the mass majority of the population trapped in jobs that pay just enough that they put up with it, while giving away all their time and energy to a corporation is exactly why the average person has no power. They’ve had the will drive to force real change sucked out of them.” You can’t be real with a 180 from this comment lmao.
If they pay just enough, with tips, then what is it without tips? Not enough. Statistically, more people would move to another just that put y back into ‘just enough’ category.
I know this isn’t the point of the comic, but the barista isn’t just handing you a cup of coffee. They’re brewing it and making specialty drinks too.
The not-tipping argument really only works if you’re ordering a black coffee, but if you’re getting black coffee from Starbucks, you’re already paying way more than you should, so just tip.
Coffee makers are hella cheap if black coffee is all you want.
Why? It’s their job to make coffee. The company should pay them enough to not have to beg for additional money on top of the compensation they already receive. This is the way it works in other parts of the world.
Agree. In the US the tipping culture has gotten out of hand. Tipping is meant to cover situations where it’s legal to pay your staff under minimum wage and thus tipping evens that out (I still hate it but that’s the current law). I only tip in those industries, or industries where the person providing the service is self-employed/subcontracting in most situations (salons, spas, etc), or where the service is above and beyond or very specialized. Otherwise, it only encourages a culture where it’s expected that the consumer subsidize wages.
I do understand that tipping gives more $ in the pocket of lower wage workers, but I feel too strongly that it will lead to an eventual shift of tipping for ANY service I the long run and I cannot encourage that. I own a small business and I pay my employees very well. It is the responsibility of the employer to do this not the consumer/customer/client.
Tipping has recently come to the Netherlands too. First place i noticed it was Dominos. i hey can fuck right off with that shit.
I’m in general an over-tipper but I have finally found my personal limit at being asked to tip in the drive through.
I just skip the places that have implemented it it just seems ludicrous
I don’t see how taking it out on the staff is going to make anything better.
It’s not. People who make this argument want to be stingy and stiff the person serving them, and hide it behind an argument about principles.
The company should, but they don’t.
Again, if you are concerned about money, you can get cheap coffee at home. If you want someone to make it for you, you should understand the actual cost in US capitalistic society.
Until the company pays a living wage, buying coffee without tipping is agreeing that the business paying less than a living wage is acceptable.
If you don’t want to tip, don’t go there.
You can’t expect that of people.
With the name “RageAgainstTheRich”, one would think you’d be more into class solidarity. 🙄
$1 tip per drink for the courtesy of a worker starting their work day before i get out of bed.
By your argument, every job should get a tip then, why pay the salaries?
US corporation should start paying their employees living wages instead of them asking their employees to beg for tips to get living standards wage.
You hit it right on with the second paragraph. I wouldn’t hold my breath though. It’s just one of many lobbying efforts to keep that going in the US.
In the meantime though, protesting the current system by not tipping directly harms the person who is doing work you could have easily done at home yourself.
I agree that we should have livable wages as the minimum wage, but your anger is misplaced. I’m mad at the government, and have solidarity with my fellow working-class citizens. If I can’t afford to tip somewhere, I can’t afford to be a patron there, and THAT directly impacts the company instead of the workers.
Guess I’ll starve 🤷
I get what you’re trying to say. But it is unfair to expect everyone to give a tip. Everything is incredibly expensive already. Expecting people to give a tip on top of it is just not going to happen.
If you go there daily and can easily afford it, then go ahead. But expecting everyone to tip severely limits peoples ability to get anything outside a supermarket.
If the person working there doesn’t demand a living wages with all his co worker then should the customer ask it for them instead?
Do you mean by asking for a universal minimum wage instead of making each company’s workers fight for a living wage at each company individually?
Because yes. Obviously.
Oh, you mean doing the job they agreed to do for an hourly rate? Why am i subsidizing the corporation not paying them fairly?
Because by patronizing the business and not tipping, you agree that the company paying an unfair wage is fine with you.
That’s worse.
That’s a great argument against patronizing the business.
But if everyone did it, people wouldn’t be able to afford to work there. There would be no staff and the business would be forced to increase their pay to retain labour, or shut their doors.
Edit for typos.
“Having the mass majority of the population trapped in jobs that pay just enough that they put up with it, while giving away all their time and energy to a corporation is exactly why the average person has no power. They’ve had the will drive to force real change sucked out of them.” You can’t be real with a 180 from this comment lmao.
If they pay just enough, with tips, then what is it without tips? Not enough. Statistically, more people would move to another just that put y back into ‘just enough’ category.
I don’t see that as 180 at all.