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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 10 months ago

Ukrainian Men Desperate to Escape War Are Drowning as They Flee

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Ukrainian Men Desperate to Escape War Are Drowning as They Flee

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 10 months ago
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    Oh yeah, to forcefully kidnap people from the streets/homes, put them into vans and send them to die a horrible death or not, a truly tough decision we got here…
    And please don’t forget, those people for whom this is a hard decision are the good guys trying to save the world, while those who see this as totally not fucking okay are fascists, Russian bots, “want to take our freedom away and kill us”, etc.

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      Funny you should mention fascists.

      • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
      • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
      • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
      • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
      • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
      • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
      • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
      • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
      • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
      • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
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        Thanks for all the links.
        Being called fascist (which happens a lot on Lemmy for some reason) when speaking out against Ukrainian government which ticks almost all the boxes from the fascism definition on the wikipedia (dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy), is a brand new level of irony… :/

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      Goshdarnit, I commented on a lemmy.ml post. My bad. Let me exit this echo chamber.

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        I know, right?
        That damn lemmy.ml echo chamber where people continue parroting this extremist narration that it is not okay to murder people…
        Let’s get out of here, and head to something like lemmy.world where we can celebrate hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians getting murdered, cheer for continuation of war and call everyone who disagrees with us fascists!

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          The dumbest take possible of what I said.

          But men also want to live.

          we can celebrate hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians getting murdered

          JFC, no wonder people block lemmy.ml users.

          That damn lemmy.ml echo chamber where people continue parroting this extremist narration that it is not okay to murder people…

          So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist. I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?

          Holy moly. It’s as if you didn’t have a slice of russian disinformation, you had the whole pie.

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            So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist. I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?

            Ah yes, your fascist friends are going to end up in prison.

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            So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist.

            My solution is to stop murdering people and let them decide for themselves.

            I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?

            Well, if you are so sure in what you’re saying, then there’s definitely no reason to continue kidnapping people and sending them to die, they will all volunteer to fight because of the awful things that you’ve mentioned that await them if Russia wins, right?

            Holy moly. It’s as if you didn’t have a slice of russian disinformation, you had the whole pie.

            Please quote me saying one thing that is not true. Just one.

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