• Baron Von J@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        Except Cinema Sinema and Manchin have both stated that changing the filibuster is a hard no for both of them. So no, we do not have 51 Senators caucusing Democratic and willing to touch the filibuster.

          • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            5 months ago

            You’re coming across like you just like to rage without actually paying attention.

            Voters had been calling for a primary challenge to both for basically the entirety of Biden’s term (since some of the earliest legislative efforts with reconciliation bills including a minimum wage increase, I believe), up until they both registered as Independent and neither are running for re-election, so the primary became moot. However, the W. Virginia seat (Manchin’s) is likely to go R this year, so that doesn’t help us for things like judicial appointments where Manchin was reliable. Arizona (Sinema’s seat) we have a chance.

            • anticolonialist@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              5 months ago

              Calls to primary are irrelevant when those same people would head to the polls and reelect them. There is no accountability, they can get away with murder and voters (VBNMW types) will still cast a vote for that murderer as long as there is a D by their name.

              • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                5 months ago

                Now you’re just sounding like you’re posting in bad faith. You asked “where were the calls to primary” and in your very next comment you’re saying “calls to primary are irrelevant” as though it was my point and you’re refuting it. There’s not enough accountability because voter turnout in the primaries is absolute garbage. Protest voting in the general is useless. We need overwhelming turnout in the primaries for the state legislatures to get better candidates in the general. Election reform to enable viable 3rd party candidates will only come on a state-by-state level. And that will never happen without good turnout in the primaries.

                • anticolonialist@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  It’s not a bad faith argument, the few saying primary candidates before the election are the same ones that will vote for them anyway. Politicians have no incentive to bend to the will of their constituents if they continue to be rewarded for bad behavior.

                  Protest voting in the general is useless

                  This is voter suppression, it’s telling people ‘vote my way or else it’s a wasted vote.’ And it’s always ‘do it my way this time, we can think about reform later’, later never comes.

                  • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    5 months ago

                    You asked where are the calls to primary, I told you that the calls to primary were made, and you then said calls to primary are irrelevant. You did not have faith in your own point.

                    I’m not in a position of authority to suppress anybody’s vote, and I’m not telling anyone to not vote. I am, in fact, advocating for more people to vote, and to do so more often and more consistently. That’s kind of the opposite of voter suppression. Protest voting is how we got Trump when Clinton was the nominee. The next President will be either the Democratic nominee or the Republican nominee. There will be other choices, but they won’t win, voting for them just lowers the number of votes that the major party candidate on the opposite end of the spectrum need to beat to win. If I was opposed to election reform, I wouldn’t be out here encouraging people to vote in the primaries. I would be keeping silent while they continue to ignore how long their tactic has failed at achieving the goal. But I support election reform, so I vote in the primaries and encourage other people to do the same.