To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.

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    If you want far left policy then you have to vote for a little bit left first. (I’ll use those terms to get the point across.)

    AKA: You have to walk before you run.

    This is exactly what the GOP did, they had to vote for decades before getting what they wanted: Overturning Roe.

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      If you want, say, far left voters to vote, you have to do far left policy say, a little bit left first. It’s simple dialectics.

      People didn’t vote for Bernie Sanders because they wanted center-right policies. They voted for far-left policies.

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        That’s what I’m getting at. You aren’t going to get far left policy just out of the blue. Not going to happen. It simply won’t.

        If you want far left policy, then you have to vote for a little (to the power of 3) left first. When that wins, then you can vote for a little (to the power of 2) left. When that wins, then you get to vote for a little (to the power of 1) left.

        See how this goes?

        This is why there’s so many saying like this: Walk before you run. Tip your toes in before you take the plunge. Baby steps. Etc, etc, etc.

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            Is your link third party stuff? (I’m not going to read right now). Third party or otherwise, how’d not voting for Dems work out? Imagine what the situation would be if Gore had won. Yeah it’d be a lot further left. Think about what the situation would be if Hillary had won. Yeah it’d be a lot further left. Instead we got Trump and now we’re looking at a very real chance of disbanding the EPA, FTC, etc.

            s a political party supposed to serve the people, o

            If you want them to serve you the leftist, guess fucking what, then leftists need to show up to vote. No one is going to cater to leftists that don’t show up to vote. Nope. They are going to go to the center to find the voters that do show up. And a center voter is worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.

            If you want to be courted, you have to actually show up. And if you try to play mexican standoff, guess what, you’re going to lose. They’re going to go to the center to find voters. We’ve seen this time and time again.

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                Why would I show up if I’m not being courted? It works both ways.

                If you want things to go left, you accomplish that by giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because every time they lose, they go to the center to find votes. Give them consistent and overwhelming victories to show them that it’s safe to go left.

                BTW it’s not just presidential. Dems need all 3 houses (house of reps, senate, and presidency) to pass pretty much anything. Want to guess how long they’ve had that? In the last 24 years, they’ve had that for 4 years. Read that again, 4 years in the last 24 years. Want to go back further? Then it’s 6 years out of the last 32 years. Want to go back further? Then it’s 6 years out of the last 44 years. Yup. Dems have had control of all 3 houses for a measly 6 years out of the last 44 years. And you’re amazed that they go to the center to find votes and have to reach across the aisle? That’s your so called rachet effect, but the truth is that they never have control so they have to keep going to the center to find votes. You change that by, drumroll please, giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

                Works both ways? You’re missing they have another option: Go to the center to find voters. But you, the left voter that wants things to go left, don’t have another option. Decry the two party system all you want, you have no other option. This is why you can’t play mexican standoff, you will lose (and have lost) every single time. Dems will just go to the center to find voters.

                *Just finished your video, his last line, “lots of work, let’s get to work” fucking yes, and what’s the first and easiest thing you can do? Vote. For. Dems. This is so fucking easy. Give every victory you can to the as far left candidate as you can, which is, drumroll please, the Dems. That would have included Gore. That would have included Hillary. That would have included years 3 through 8 of Obama (when he lost the house of reps for all 6, and lost the senate for the last 2). That would have included years 3 and 4 of Biden (when he lost the house of reps). That includes all the house of rep Dem candidates. That includes all the senate Dem candidates. And includes state level dems too. Are we actually agreeing?

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                Why would I show up if I’m not being courted? It works both ways.

                Why would they court you if you’re not showing up? It works both ways.

                Using the prisoners dilemma to justify letting everything burn down around you is cool and good.