Don´t get me wrong, it’s humans in the first place who make dogs dangerous and hating any breed is stupid. People who do that have a one sided view. However, let’s be real, you have a one sided view too, just a positive one. The bad name of certain breeds has reasons, like the fact that they have been bred to fight and to max out biting power and to have an instinct to not let go when biting. I know Pitbulls are not the breed with the highest bite force but they are still in the top 10.
Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head.
Some pit bulls were selected and bred for their fighting ability.
No matter how sweet your individual Pitbull might be after a loving upbringing, many years of breeding with such goals definitely still affect the gene pool and like it or not, instinctive behavior, especially in stressful situations. Then there is the problem of bad people who get dogs as weapons and abuse them, turning them aggressive.
You have to be positive while wading through shit if you don’t want to drown. I understand everything you said, but your first sentence is all I’m trying to get across. It’s shitty fucking people, not dogs.
Edit: To your main point you were trying to get across to me; dogs can be trained to not act on their aggressive instincts like prey drive. So I still don’t see how an aggressive dog wouldn’t be it’s owners fault.
Nice that we agree that it´s generally always the owners fault if something goes wrong but it´s also a fact that different dog breeds have different aggression potentials and thereby are more or less difficult to train and control. So choosing a dog breed that is not more aggressive than necessary is also part of the owners responsibility. I for myself would never choose a breed that has been bred to fight, bite and not let go, as a family dog. Instead I would choose a Bernese for example, because they have been bred into the opposite direction, to protect and not to fight, to bark and not to bite, which results in a very calm and gentle general behaviour.
💯. If you’re a shitty trainer you should get a golden retriever instead of a Pit. But there are people who know what they’re doing and those people have the sweetest dogs you could ever meet and they happen to be pits. Therefore all the hate for one specific breed is idiotic, unfair and should be directed towards people not innocent creatures that we basically created. They are our responsibility.
Therefore all the hate for one specific breed is idiotic, unfair and should be directed towards people not innocent creatures that we basically created.
That is exactly what I wrote earlier, nice that we agree in this point.
If you’re a shitty trainer you should get a golden retriever instead of a Pit.
Hard disagree here, shitty trainers should not get any dog imo.
In an ideal world yes, they shouldn’t get any dog. But they will, so getting a Pit is significantly more dangerous than a golden because they are much easier to train.
Alright, it felt like you were trying to disagree with me even though what I said in the first place was it depends on the dogs owner. But I might have just been defensive because I’m used to my takes being challenged on Lemmy. But I see now that you were just expanding on what I already said. Cheers
It wasn’t different from what I said though, you just spelled out the reasons why what I said makes sense. We both came to the conclusion that it’s in the owner not the dog, you just showed your work
Don´t get me wrong, it’s humans in the first place who make dogs dangerous and hating any breed is stupid. People who do that have a one sided view. However, let’s be real, you have a one sided view too, just a positive one. The bad name of certain breeds has reasons, like the fact that they have been bred to fight and to max out biting power and to have an instinct to not let go when biting. I know Pitbulls are not the breed with the highest bite force but they are still in the top 10.
Source: https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
No matter how sweet your individual Pitbull might be after a loving upbringing, many years of breeding with such goals definitely still affect the gene pool and like it or not, instinctive behavior, especially in stressful situations. Then there is the problem of bad people who get dogs as weapons and abuse them, turning them aggressive.
You have to be positive while wading through shit if you don’t want to drown. I understand everything you said, but your first sentence is all I’m trying to get across. It’s shitty fucking people, not dogs.
Edit: To your main point you were trying to get across to me; dogs can be trained to not act on their aggressive instincts like prey drive. So I still don’t see how an aggressive dog wouldn’t be it’s owners fault.
Nice that we agree that it´s generally always the owners fault if something goes wrong but it´s also a fact that different dog breeds have different aggression potentials and thereby are more or less difficult to train and control. So choosing a dog breed that is not more aggressive than necessary is also part of the owners responsibility. I for myself would never choose a breed that has been bred to fight, bite and not let go, as a family dog. Instead I would choose a Bernese for example, because they have been bred into the opposite direction, to protect and not to fight, to bark and not to bite, which results in a very calm and gentle general behaviour.
💯. If you’re a shitty trainer you should get a golden retriever instead of a Pit. But there are people who know what they’re doing and those people have the sweetest dogs you could ever meet and they happen to be pits. Therefore all the hate for one specific breed is idiotic, unfair and should be directed towards people not innocent creatures that we basically created. They are our responsibility.
That is exactly what I wrote earlier, nice that we agree in this point.
Hard disagree here, shitty trainers should not get any dog imo.
In an ideal world yes, they shouldn’t get any dog. But they will, so getting a Pit is significantly more dangerous than a golden because they are much easier to train.
True but I would still prefer to be attacked by a lapdog instead of a medium sized dog, just not while it´s sitting in my lap ;)
Alright, it felt like you were trying to disagree with me even though what I said in the first place was it depends on the dogs owner. But I might have just been defensive because I’m used to my takes being challenged on Lemmy. But I see now that you were just expanding on what I already said. Cheers
I was trying to add a more differentiated perspective.
It wasn’t different from what I said though, you just spelled out the reasons why what I said makes sense. We both came to the conclusion that it’s in the owner not the dog, you just showed your work