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Carnivore - The ultimate elimination diet
Purpose
- lifestyle
- food
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- Sustainability
- Regenerative lifestyle
Rules
- Be nice
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- Don’t farm rage
- Be respectful of other diets, choices, lifestyles!!!
This is just a troll community that is cutting its nose to spite its face because the poster has some revenge fantasy towards the vegans users of Lemmy.
The carnivore diet is not healthy as humans are supposed to eat vegetables and fruit. You will damage your heart and increase your risk for cancer following this dangerous diet.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27597529/
Hmmm hmmm. Along with meat, because humans are omnivores.
If you choose to live a different lifestyle, for ethics or sustainability, then that’s your choice. But don’t go making up biological, science-sounding falsehoods. Our closest evolutionary cousins are omnivores, just like ourselves.
It is scientifically backed that you don’t need to eat meat.
https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/plant-protein-best-for-building-muscle
https://www.unlockfood.ca/en/Articles/Vegetarian-and-Vegan-Diets/What-You-Need-to-Know-About-Following-a-Vegan-Eati.aspx
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/is-a-vegetarian-or-vegan-diet-for-you
https://www.thepermanentejournal.org/doi/10.7812/TPP/12-085
the only peer reviewed source you provided spends as much time detailing risks as it does explaining potential benefits, and it’s based on a single case study.
That doesn’t disprove anything at all. The health benefits are there and it’s not difficult at all to eat a variety of grains, seeds, mushrooms, vegetables, fruit. You only need one of each supplement: the multivitamin and omega 3 every day.
Also byw people in general are not getting enough vitamin d and fibre in the average diet.
You’re just putting your head in the sand to keep up your old habits while ignoring the evidence just like an anti-vaxxer.
it shows that the evidence you’ve provided doesn’t actually support your claim
Now you’re just moving the goal posts and claiming what ever suits your beliefs.
no, I’m examining your position, and the evidence provided, and found that they are insufficient.
“Insufficient” despite the fact these are reputable sources. I’m done debating with a troll.
Here are more studies on the topic though if you’re interested in reading them:
Many credible physicians recommend Whole-food plant-based diets (WFPB).
Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets
Ten years of life: Is it a matter of choice?
Low-carbohydrate diets and all-cause and cause-specific mortality: two cohort studies.
Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition
Mortality in vegetarians and comparable nonvegetarians in the United Kingdom
Comparison of Nutritional Quality of the Vegan, Vegetarian, Semi-Vegetarian, Pesco-Vegetarian and Omnivorous Diet
Beyond Meatless, the Health Effects of Vegan Diets: Findings from the Adventist Cohorts
The Health Advantage of a Vegan Diet: Exploring the Gut Microbiota Connection
Comparative metabolomics in vegans and omnivores reveal constraints on diet-dependent gut microbiota metabolite production
High compliance with dietary recommendations in a cohort of meat eaters, fish eaters, vegetarians, and vegans: results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition–Oxford study
A low-fat vegan diet and a conventional diabetes diet in the treatment of type 2 diabetes: a randomized, controlled, 74-wk clinical trial 1,2,3,4
Milk intake and risk of mortality and fractures in women and men: cohort studies.
Vegetarian Diets and Medical Expenditure in Taiwan—A Matched Cohort Study
Energy and protein feed-to-food conversion efficiencies
Analysis and valuation of the health and climate change cobenefits of dietary change
Current global food production is sufficient to meet human nutritional needs in 2050 provided there is radical societal adaptation
Dietary Patterns and Their Relationship to Land Use, Water Use, and Greenhouse Gas Emissions: Implications for Future Food Security
Sure you don’t need to eat anything besides condensed nutrient paste. But humans certainly evolved eating meat. There places in the world where large scale agriculture is effectively impossible because of the terrain and most nutrients come from grazing animals.
A tomato grown in Iceland has many times the carbon footprint compared a free range goat which just grazes on some fjords for a few years.
How do you spot a non-vegan? Don’t worry they’ll tell you
It’s not a troll. I genuinely don’t care what other people eat. I’m going to talk about it, and I want a place to talk about it.
The study you link to, is comically, linking all of the metabolic syndromes to the consumption of meat.
Let’s consider diabetes, type 2 diabetes is defined as the inability for the body to regulate blood glucose. Blood glucose is introduced from the consumption of sugar, or carbohydrates, or fructose.
A type 2 diabetic can bring their blood sugar down, just by not eating glucose, or sugar, or fructose, or carbohydrates.
Fat, and protein, which is what most animal food is, does not introduce glucose into the blood.
You don’t have eat only meat to avoid having too much sugar.
Just eat whole foods, there are so many grains, vegetables, fruit, nuts and seeds you could eat instead.
Don’t go for the fast food meals, processed stuff or candy.
Carbohydrates are converted to glucose in the liver. Someone who needs to maintain very strict glycemic control needs to be careful with grains and fruit.
You’re clearly talking out of your ass.
You don’t have to take my word for it.
https://doi.org/10.2337/diab.26.12.1178 - Plasma Responses to different Carbohydrates - 1977
You don’t even have to trust the literature, blood glucose monitors are ubiquitous and inexpensive. You can measure your own glucose response to different foods. This is why diabetics taking exogenous insulin have to dose their insulin based on the carbohydrates they are consuming.
That study you sent doesn’t prove the carnivore idea at all.
I can’t read your mind, when you call me names and say I’m wrong, I have to use context to guess what the topic actually is. So I gave you date on carbohydrate glycemic load, which was the content of the message that you insulted me for… A reasonable person would assume you had a issue with the topic you were responding to.