• RaptorBenn@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    We both know if my machine has any value, it’d be taken away from me. That’s really all I need to know.

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      1 day ago

      I don’t really agree with that. For it to have Value, it would need to be socially necessary, and fulfill a role not already better filled by other machines.

      Where are you getting the materials? What time are we talking about, early Socialism, late Communisn, somewhere in between? The answer would change depending on the level of development of the productive forces.

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        24 hours ago

        I know you don’t agree, that’s why I think you’re wrong.

        Communism is a lovely idea, I support the goals you want it to achieve, and I’m sure there’s a species out in the universe that would function quite well with it. Not Humans though, too greedy, too vein, too convinced they are right.

        And maybe you think your better and it wont happen with your particular brand, but I know it will, it’ll end in suffering like the rest.

        I support Capitolism because so far it has allowed more humans in history to thrive than ever before, and I don’t need a better answer than that.

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          21 hours ago

          Communism does work, though. I am not sure what you’re actually trying to say. Moreover, the biggest reductions in poverty have come from Socialist countries like China, meanwhile Capitalism is in decline. That’s only natural, as Capitalism decays.

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            21 hours ago

            I’ve never seen it provide the same comfort and stability that a capitolistic system can. Where is communism working?

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              20 hours ago

              What do you mean by “providing the same comfort?” What are you comparing it to, peer countries, or Imperialist ones like the United States? China is Socialist and is becoming the undisputed world power, while dramatically reducing poverty. The Soviet Union was better for its people than modern Capitalism has been, or former Tsarism.

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                  19 hours ago

                  Socialism is stable, yes.

                  As for Xu and Du, those are not the sole figures on Socialism in China, nor does that definition actually hold for Socialism. Socialism is determined by which is primary in an economic system, be it Public ownership or private, and in the PRC it is public. Large firms and heavy industry is nearly soley in the public sector, while the private sector is dominated by small firms.

                  As for Russia, 7 million people died due to the reintroduction of Capitalism, social safety nets were stripped bare and workers rights fell dramatically. Socialism was better than Tsarism and was better than Capitalism has been, whether you feel disgusted by facts or not it’s the truth.