I struggle with the conversations here because there are people who believe that even if 1% are innocent, it’s not okay without due process on each of these individuals even it means prolonged deaths of innocents. And the other side cites real progress and approval by the government.
In my opinion, both points are true. It is definitely wrong and its definitely ripe for even further abuse, but at the same time, it saved the country. And it’s easy to criticize when I’m 1000s of miles away and not going through the fear of death, extortion or rape everyday.
I do hope there is follow-up due process at least and they work to demilitarize the state as a whole over time.
Those are send by Trump without any sort of trial. Nothing to do with El Salvador cracking down hard on gangs.
I’m inclined to ask you to re-read your comment because I really can’t make sense of it.
The first paragraph doesn’t make much sense at all given how it is written. In the second you say “it saved the country,” and if you’re trying to say that forcefully deporting people out of America without reason or due process “saved the country” you’re 100% going to have cite a source, or at least give a reason for why you think that’s true.
Yeah no viva Bukele
People saying “if you arrest all those gang members economy will collapse because even though they get their money from illicit activities they still spend it back into the economy”
Nayib Bukele “dude are you fucking stupid?” they arrested the violent criminals and the ones that organized themselves in violence promoting bands… and they GDP went up by like 5% I believe? mainly because honest working people didn’t have to struggle against the villain.
Nah those pieces of shit are there for a reason, society and tolerance are a social contract… you respect it and you fall under it, you don’t then you feck off.
ARRIBA BUKELE!!
Did you catch the words “without proof”, and “without due process” in the OP? It would appear that these people pictured are innocent.
“Accused of being gang members” lmao let’s be clear here 90% of these dudes literally have gang tattoos 🙈
Also you can cover tattoos at any time, it’s not that hard.
This administration really shows how little of a fuck the party that won’t stop jerking themselves off about the constitution actually give about what it says.
What are you talking about. This is El Salvador not US.
But they’re innocent until there’s proof of guilt. Sending people to forced labour encampments because of their tattoos is just a different nazi move.
Even if 99% of them are actually gang member, then there is still a bunch of innocent people locked up. Using the word ‘accused’ or ‘suspected’ isn’t meant to cause doubt, it’s to make clear they haven’t been convicted. I really wouldn’t want to be falsely accused and treated as these men are, and it’s really awful knowing some of them could be there without having done anything wrong.
“innocent until proven to have tattoos”
Honestly, when I was a kid, one of my classmates dressed up like that and I’m pretty sure he would tag around the school. The kid was a trouble maker. But that doesn’t mean much when I realized that he was homeless and his mom would still clean him up and send him to school.
Ok, so I’ve never been a “meme” guy and think it’s stupid we have to force everything into the “meme” format but seriously, this is not a meme. I don’t think it should be removed but just sayin.
Dachau didn’t open until 3 months after Hitler took power. They are right on track.
Next week:
You know what, it’s fine. At least you’ll be sitting in a lower ring of hell than me for laughing at this. 😌
Thanks to modern technology we can watch the whole thing unfold in real time!
fuck yeah, subcontracting out the concentration camps!
It seems this new technology is not much benefit in stopping it? Observers are great, powerless and disorganized ones not so much.
Too many people live in willful ignorance
You can see the obvious big picture and scream from the rooftops, but everyone who is comfortable enough and in denial that things are actually that bad straight up just ignore you
It’s only now that people are starting to get their wakeup calls, like a lot of Europe, for example
But god, if it isn’t super frustrating to watch the local news in my European country and have politicians repeatedly say “nobody thought we would be standing here talking about this 4 years ago”
I did, fuckers! I did!! The fascist threat was obvious ever since the first trump presidency, and the trends could clearly be seen from even before then, however, I was a child at that time
I don’t get it. Especially because politicians are supposed to be the experts in trends like this. Is everyone just fucking clueless??
I swear most people are just so neoliberal ideology brained, and heavily struggle seeing anything outside of that. It’s been a massive failure on the part of society that political philosophy has not been a bigger part of the education curriculum. Or part of it, at all.
This sums it up nicelyI’m not sure how relevant this is outside the USA; but when I was helping build grassroots for social activism in Texas - I realized people had forgotten how! Their grandparents could, and did. I saw it as a child.
But something happened over two generations, and the knowledge was not handed down, or was not applicable when things changed so much .
I remember enough to know critical things in the community is missing. I suspect a major missing piece is that people stay indoors too much.
Same in Germany. I don’t know what it is either but I’m convinced it’s related to the loneliness epidemic among the younger generation. People have seemingly stopped connecting in meaningful ways in general. No more religion, no more sports teams, working from home and getting your social interaction fix through social media. I think all of this is seriously starting to take its toll.
It’s a European tradition to spectate torture and execution for entertainment.
The picture on the left is from when the prison first opened, so won’t show any of the deportees
Oh hell. OTOH, I’d imagine we have no reason to think it’s looking better these days.
Still, thanks for the correction, I took that as I found it.
Reminder that before all this El Salvador was sweeping up anyone and I mean anyone they found on the street during their sweeps and throwing them in huge overcrowded cells to await mass trials without representation.
even more damning that the populace has cheered for it; non of the human right abuses matter so long as it’s not them.
With tattoos
A little reminder, apparently Salvadorians are loving Bukele for this.
I tried reminding them that, removing due-process is a can-of-worms that you rather not open
there are people in other parts of latam that want that same shit in their own countries…
where there are marches asking where the people that were “disappeared” during the dictatorship went.
well i guess they weren’t against it, they were just really curious. like at a magic show!
Remember kids, fascism only ends one way.
Only one way, but there are many ways to approach that way. My favorite is the Italian method.
My favorite way to approach them is the donkey punch method as well!
You see, it isn’t so bad, they can sit up!
“Accused without proof” excuse me what they literally have the gang signs tattoo’d on their skin. Are we gonna pretend that people get tattoos of criminal gangs but are actually not part of it?
Jesus christ el salvador was one oft the deadliest countries in the world. People were going to work in the morning and there was a big chance of not getting home alive. The population celebrates bukele, as the country plunged from like 40 homicides per 100.000 people in 2019 to 1.9 per 100.000 people.
Tattoo of a gang sign or a rose with their family members’ names on it. Either or.
Breaking news, Mother of a suspected gang member tells the BBC she believes he is innocent, even though she lives over 1000 miles away.
Yeah I’d trust the mother over the Trump administration. As we all know Trump always tells the truth right? You sound like a real cunt by the way.
Yes, if you go on with that drastic measures, you are bound to hit innocent people aswell - just as ukraine is bound to kill innocent civilians by bombing russian infrastructure, despite all their attempts to mitigate those.
I don’t think you guys understand the severity of the situation that has been cooking down there.
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“Everyone that disagrees with me is a nazi” you know, come back once you got any kind of argument, okay? And stop embarrass yourself on topics you know jack shit about.
Please ensure you vacuum all the cheetoh dust from your keyboard next time, brave keyboard warrior.
I don’t think cheetoh’s exist here, pretty sure they’re banned because they contain some stuff considered toxic here idk.
Having been in a gang ≠ in a gang. Lots of people wear school runs that are long long out of school, provide evidence of an actual crime instead like our constitution and bill of rights demand you fucking authoritarian simp.
Cover the tattoo then?
If you’re going through asylum you’re not supposed to unless directed to, it’s evidence.
No idea about asylum that’s not what I was commenting about.
Having been in a gang ≠ in a gang
Shows how little you know about el salvador. People who have gang tattoos are either in a gang or dead. A criminal gang is not a club you can leave whenever you feel like it. Hell, even here in the west, people who try to leave the banditos or the hells angel often end up dead, and you think in el salvador, the (at that point) most murderous country in the world, they can just quit?
provide evidence of an actual crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador
The thing is, I’m as libertarian as you can get in the west. However, unlike most of you drones, I do recognize that at some point, being a civilized human stops working. Do you really think you can “reason” with criminal gangs that have been controlling your country for over a decade? Are you also one of those clowns that keep crying “No no no do not send ukraine weapons, you just have to TALK with putin!!!111 :(((((((((”?
Is the situation down there good? Absolutely not. Are a lot of innocent people being caught in the crossfire? Absolutely.
I’m not in favor of that at all, but I do recognize it’s the only way. Just like an infection that has progressed too long untreated, the only option is amputation of the affected limb. And el salvador had previous governments fail on every possible level.
And the people of el salvador probably are happy they can leave their houses again without being shot. Bukele has incredibly high approval ratings, often above 90%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Nayib_Bukele_presidency
I work with ex gang members you’re wrong and your ancedotal bullshit means nothing. Prove an actual crime like the goddamn constitution and bill of rights demand. If you’re accused of something I’d want them to prove that as well, what kind of racist fucking bigot do you have to be to say fuck it no due process for these people and moreover how absolutely fucking stupid do you have to be to expect that not to be precedent to imprison other people without due process like I dunno… You dipshit.
I work with ex gang members
You don’t. At least not in el salvador.
Prove an actual crime
I know this might be a hard concept for you to grasp, but I can’t just fly to el salvador now and check the crime history of every single person in jail right now.
goddamn constitution and bill of rights demand
Of course you’re an american LMAO.
Unlike you, I’ve been in el salvador in 2016 because my (Ex) girlfriends family lives there. I’ve seen first hand how fucked up the country is and I’ve talked to the people there. I’ve paid roughly 900€ (in dollar tho) to people who wanted to rob me in the streets. During my 1 week stay, I’ve seen 3 people getting shot. That’s 75% of all people I’ve seen getting shot.
You fucking americans know NOTHING about the world outside of america. You just assume everything is the same as in your fucking country and apply your moral standards while never being anywhere near that country. You don’t put any effort into learning about the situation and thinking about: “Hmm what could be done about it?”. Seriously, what would you do to fix a country with over 100 homicides per 100.000 people? What would you do to fix a country where your children, parents or friends are more likely to get shot than in any other country on this planet? Good luck talking with criminals that ran your country for over a decade. Surely that will go well.
Honestly I hope trump runs your fucking country into the ground and just takes you off the internet like north korea so I don’t have to endure your sleezy, naive and clueless bullshit anymore. You morons make me sick.
I have worked with Salvadorans and some of them were former gang members, it’s really not uncommon in low income neighborhoods in much the same way it is in the United States.
Then you don’t have time for justice you have time for mob violence, you’re a gang member not a citizen with a civic duty. Get a tattoo of Mussolini on your face or some shit, get out the closet and be a proud thug just like you’re accusing these people of being.
It’s an American issue so yes the constitution applies, what did you think applied Estonian federal law?
They were deported from America you absolute bafoon.
I hope you get a clue and stop being so angry shit you couldn’t be bothered to look into or even read.
They were deported from America you absolute bafoon.
Every single gang member was deported from america? Absolutely, makes a lot of sense. 100 points for gryffindor. El Salvador had 0 crime before trump happened.
I don’t even know what to tell you. You’re in denial beyond imagination, not knowing shit about the country you’re trying to judge.
Go fix your own country first. You got a lot of fixing to do.
The ones we we’re talking about in this article about deportation were deported, yes go figure.
I suggest you learn English because nothing you’ve said makes a damn bit of sense. You sound like a broken LLM.
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Yes the Jews had tattoos too, some were put there after they got there. I suggest a public library to help yourself champ.
Their comment was dumb, but comparing full body tattoos to id numbers tattooed on Holocaust victims is somehow dumber.
Seek a trash can and put your GED inside of it, then come back with something better.
You must have used your history book to color in.
Perhaps your own history will be delightfully colored with attempts to get it right despite a debilitating lack of awareness.
Brb, gonna go check for full face and body tattoos at auschwitz. Damn, you’re right they’re all over there place. Mind blown.
Yes please travel through time and report back thnx.
Your God king even backed off that claim dumb guy.
You would be a Linux user too lol. Too on the nose.
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Let’s see what they look like 2 years in. The Buchenwald picture was taken at liberation.
Edit - also as someone else pointed out, although the picture is from the El Salvador camp, it is NOT a picture of the same group of people discussed in the article. I did not know that when I posted.
So which parts of the picture are true?
