From the info I saw posted a few days after this whole something started with actual info… The same situation could also be explained by Tesla not submitting claims as they come, instead submitting them as a group after there were comments about the funding starting to end, therefore putting a deadline on submissions. Which would also make sense. Large companies paying and submitting claims for things in bulk on longer cycles like quarterly is very common.
I haven’t specifically looked up more info recently though, so there may be new stuff that came out that slipped through my feed.
The same situation could also be explained by Tesla not submitting claims as they come, instead submitting them as a group after there were comments about the funding starting to end
Yes, that’s possible. That’s why there’s an ongoing investigation.
Which would also make sense. Large companies paying and submitting claims for things in bulk on longer cycles like quarterly is very common.
These are not large companies, these are car dealerships. They operate and submit those independently from each other. And when they submit the form, they state when the sale was made. That’s how the investigation came to be, because they stated a surge of sales.
The simplest explanation is they registered sales that they intended to make later, just to get the rebates while it was still possible, which is fraud.
All Tesla dealers are corporate owned, they are not independent dealers like all other car companies.
Yes, they are all owned by a parent company, Tesla. They are still managed independently, that’s why these dealerships are being investigated one by one, and why only four Tesla locations claimed a surge of rebates as opposed to all Canadian locations.
Take note that I said that they operate independently from each other, which is not a statement regarding their ownership structure.
It’s suspicious behavior. Potentially criminal. This is far from clear fraud. That doesn’t mean it isn’t fraud, that’s why there’s an investigation of course.
There’s an actual reasonable explanation here that doesn’t require a bunch of mental gymnastics, just the regular corporate “we do shit when we want to” mentality and lenient reimbursement requirements, despite what some rabid and foaming at the mouth haters want to believe.
I think you missed the point. Because of how they submitted these claims (“by the book” or not), they screwed over all other local dealers as a result.
"This left more than 200 independently owned Canadian auto dealers out of pocket approximately $10 million after they fronted rebates to customers and were not able to file for reimbursement. The Star spoke with four dealers who were all out more than $100,000 and were considering layoffs as a result."
And then you read…
“Tesla has been the biggest recipient of Canadian EV rebates, claiming $713 million since 2019.”
No more subsidizing this asshole. They want to talk about Canada being subsidized by the States? He’s the one being subsidized!
Teslas have been the most popular EVs on the market, so it makes sense that the majority of credits went to them prior to this current bullshit. And it’s not just subsidizing them, it’s subsidizing the buyers as well.
That’s not to excuse the fraud or Musk in general. Subsidizing EVs was a way to replace a lot of ICE cars and put less polluting vehicles on the road, and it did that. Some of the limits for subsidies were pretty dumb though. Like you could get the rebate on a model with a lower capacity battery, but the higher capacity battery would push you out of qualification.
That 713 million was freely available to anyone who cared to make EVs and scale them, for the purpose of helping make them more affordable so the companies could scale, and they had just as much time as Tesla to do it once there was a wake up call with the Model S.
The government offered the money, and Tesla executed effectively to take advantage of it.
Short of this illegal trade war, there isn’t really a way to not fund a specific company without putting a equal cap on everyone, such as the original 200k car 7500 USD rebate that used to exist or else it’d violate trade rules.
GM made 200k bolts for example before they dropped the ball and maxed out the US $7500 rebate.
So the best you could ever expect is something like vehicles under price xyz, and up to xxx thousand vehicles sold.
Assuming it was fraudulent of course.
From the info I saw posted a few days after this whole something started with actual info… The same situation could also be explained by Tesla not submitting claims as they come, instead submitting them as a group after there were comments about the funding starting to end, therefore putting a deadline on submissions. Which would also make sense. Large companies paying and submitting claims for things in bulk on longer cycles like quarterly is very common.
I haven’t specifically looked up more info recently though, so there may be new stuff that came out that slipped through my feed.
Yes, that’s possible. That’s why there’s an ongoing investigation.
These are not large companies, these are car dealerships. They operate and submit those independently from each other. And when they submit the form, they state when the sale was made. That’s how the investigation came to be, because they stated a surge of sales.
The simplest explanation is they registered sales that they intended to make later, just to get the rebates while it was still possible, which is fraud.
All Tesla dealers are corporate owned, they are not independent dealers like all other car companies.
Yes, they are all owned by a parent company, Tesla. They are still managed independently, that’s why these dealerships are being investigated one by one, and why only four Tesla locations claimed a surge of rebates as opposed to all Canadian locations.
Take note that I said that they operate independently from each other, which is not a statement regarding their ownership structure.
This would be a good
Tell me you know nothing about Tesla without telling me you know nothing about Tesla statement that you had to reply to.
When you defend criminal behaviour then back-track with an “I’m just askin’”, let me ask you - have you stopped beating your spouse? I’m just askin’.
It’s suspicious behavior. Potentially criminal. This is far from clear fraud. That doesn’t mean it isn’t fraud, that’s why there’s an investigation of course.
There’s an actual reasonable explanation here that doesn’t require a bunch of mental gymnastics, just the regular corporate “we do shit when we want to” mentality and lenient reimbursement requirements, despite what some rabid and foaming at the mouth haters want to believe.
When you start trying to find excuses and possible explanations, a Nazi salute may as well be a high 5…
Don’t try to find a way out for them. Let them do the work.
I think you missed the point. Because of how they submitted these claims (“by the book” or not), they screwed over all other local dealers as a result.
"This left more than 200 independently owned Canadian auto dealers out of pocket approximately $10 million after they fronted rebates to customers and were not able to file for reimbursement. The Star spoke with four dealers who were all out more than $100,000 and were considering layoffs as a result."
And then you read…
“Tesla has been the biggest recipient of Canadian EV rebates, claiming $713 million since 2019.”
No more subsidizing this asshole. They want to talk about Canada being subsidized by the States? He’s the one being subsidized!
Teslas have been the most popular EVs on the market, so it makes sense that the majority of credits went to them prior to this current bullshit. And it’s not just subsidizing them, it’s subsidizing the buyers as well.
That’s not to excuse the fraud or Musk in general. Subsidizing EVs was a way to replace a lot of ICE cars and put less polluting vehicles on the road, and it did that. Some of the limits for subsidies were pretty dumb though. Like you could get the rebate on a model with a lower capacity battery, but the higher capacity battery would push you out of qualification.
That 713 million was freely available to anyone who cared to make EVs and scale them, for the purpose of helping make them more affordable so the companies could scale, and they had just as much time as Tesla to do it once there was a wake up call with the Model S.
The government offered the money, and Tesla executed effectively to take advantage of it.
Short of this illegal trade war, there isn’t really a way to not fund a specific company without putting a equal cap on everyone, such as the original 200k car 7500 USD rebate that used to exist or else it’d violate trade rules.
GM made 200k bolts for example before they dropped the ball and maxed out the US $7500 rebate.
So the best you could ever expect is something like vehicles under price xyz, and up to xxx thousand vehicles sold.
All bets are off though in a trade war.
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